Nick Saban

[Risen Star]

I agree with you. I can't believe this is an argument either. Some of these guy will argue just for argument sake, even if it means taking a stupid position! Thinking college is on the same level of play as the NFL is rediculous!

It's pretty far out there.

Just the fact alone that the NFL holds a draft each year and takes the 250 best college players into their league and leaves thousands out, should tell you all you need to know about which is the top level of football.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes. It is opinion that the NFL is the highest level a player or coach can reach.

I actually think you have to be messing with me. You can't possibly believe it's up for debate whether college or the pros are the best level of football played in this country. There's just no way.

College football from a coaching stand point it the purest form of actual coaching, not baby sitting over paid prima donnas who would with the players union would walk over playing. Who determine the practice you are allowed to have or not have. It is a joke and the NFL and it's players are doing everything they can to kill the game not make it better not make it the best.

Those students many of them play for one reason the love of the game. NFL is a business, college football is football

There are HC in college who do it because they love it and would not trade it for the NFL not out of lack of ability but because they get to do the job of a HC in every aspect

 

[Royal Laegotti]

It's pretty far out there.

Just the fact alone that the NFL holds a draft each year and takes the 250 best college players into their league and leaves thousands out, should tell you all you need to know about which is the top level of football.

Yes and the fact that it normally take a couple years for a young player to reach an acceptable prime level, if not he's a bust.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's pretty far out there.

Just the fact alone that the NFL holds a draft each year and takes the 250 best college players into their league and leaves thousands out, should tell you all you need to know about which is the top level of football.

Tell you want when the college players dictate how things are to be done then I will agree with you. Until then NFL players have a big say in how things are done when a practice can be held, they remove a lot of the coaching power many getting paid well more than the HC. When employee is making more than the boss there is a problem

 

[Risen Star]

College football from a coaching stand point it the purest form of actual coaching, not baby sitting over paid prima donnas who would with the players union would walk over playing. Who determine the practice you are allowed to have or not have. It is a joke and the NFL and it's players are doing everything they can to kill the game not make it better not make it the best.

Those students many of them play for one reason the love of the game. NFL is a business, college football is football

There are HC in college who do it because they love it and would not trade it for the NFL not out of lack of ability but because they get to do the job of a HC in every aspect

I don't doubt there are a lot of head coaches who prefer coaching in college for a myriad of reasons.

But if a minor league manager prefers the minors because of less pressure, location, interaction with the players, whatever....he's still a minor league manager. He'll never have a chance to succeed at the highest level of his sport until he hits the big leagues.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't doubt there are a lot of head coaches who prefer coaching in college for a myriad of reasons.

But if a minor league manager prefers the minors because of less pressure, location, interaction with the players, whatever....he's still a minor league manager. He'll never have a chance to succeed at the highest level of his sport until he hits the big leagues.

As I said there are coaches who see it different who have been offered and do not want the lack of control of the NFL. You can call in minor league if you want that is your view not one shared by all.

 

[Kilyin]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
RT @GeorgeSchroeder: Saban on NFL: "Somewhere along the line you've got to choose..I learned thru experience maybe this is where I belong"

 

[erod]

You guys keep bringing up irrelevant stuff that has nothing to do with my comment. Pay him more, make it his dream job, less pressure, perks, better environment, easier to acquire talent, yada, yada, yada.

You're still doing it on a lower level than the NFL. That's all I'm saying. A head football coach with the desire to beat the best in the world can not do it in college. He must go to the NFL.

On that point, you can really see a deterioration in the level of play in the NFL. It ain't what it used to be, and the difference between college and pro football is narrower than before, although still certainly measureable.

There's a reason three rookies quarterbacks stepped into the league and made the playoffs right out of the gate. Such a thing never used to happen, other than Marino, and wow did we laud and overrate him over that feat.

 

[erod]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
RT @GeorgeSchroeder: Saban on NFL: "Somewhere along the line you've got to choose..I learned thru experience maybe this is where I belong"

Translation: I dont want a bunch of punk, half-educated, lughead football players to have any power over me whatsoever.

 

[NextGenBoys]

It's so much easier to coach at a powerhouse like Alabama than it is the NFL it's not even comparable.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I don't doubt there are a lot of head coaches who prefer coaching in college for a myriad of reasons.

But if a minor league manager prefers the minors because of less pressure, location, interaction with the players, whatever....he's still a minor league manager. He'll never have a chance to succeed at the highest level of his sport until he hits the big leagues.

If you don't think the NCAA is a business, who are you kidding?

The NCAA is exploitation of its athletes at it's finest.

 

[Fredd]

Translation: I dont want a bunch of punk, half-educated, lughead football players to have any power over me whatsoever.

so, are you talking about the pros or college?

did you hear some of the interviews after the BCS game? they had better make it to the pros, because they aren't getting any edumacation


...and, I am a staunch ND fan, and will freely admit that Alabama was the FAR superior team on the field....but, there should be rules against letting anyone get a free ride in college (like much of the SEC). of course, that is a little sarcasm as I KNOW there are rules....it's just some teams get away with them...

...seriuously though, Alabama > Notre Dame on the field...they were dominant...(just don't ask the players to spell dominant)....

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Most likely, any high school coach could have "coached" that Alabama team to a national title last night. That team might be one of the most talented teams ever.

Now assembling that amount of talent is a different question. Saban can get the players to come to Alabama. He is a master recruiter and Alabama is at or near the top for any high recruit. Dealing with the draft and free agency and the cap is another beast altogether.

Don't get me wrong. Saban can coach, too. But in college, it is all about getting the top recruits (and not getting caught paying them in the process )

 

[TheFinisher]

I think the guys that prefer college only do so because they can't handle the pro level.

Or because they're happy where they're at? Saban doesn't have to prove anything.

And don't compare minor league baseball to college football, the popularity and money being generated isn't even close.

 

[erod]

so, are you talking about the pros or college?

did you hear some of the interviews after the BCS game? they had better make it to the pros, because they aren't getting any edumacation


...and, I am a staunch ND fan, and will freely admit that Alabama was the FAR superior team on the field....but, there should be rules against letting anyone get a free ride in college (like much of the SEC). of course, that is a little sarcasm as I KNOW there are rules....it's just some teams get away with them...

...seriuously though, Alabama > Notre Dame on the field...they were dominant...(just don't ask the players to spell dominant)....

You produced Golden Tate. I mean, c'mon.

Oh, and Rickey Watters, too.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I think a trained monkey or even half of this board could coach that roster to multiple MNCs.

Saban's either the greatest recruiter to ever live or they're the Yankees with a dominant payroll and that remains to be seen but everything I've heard points to the latter.

 

[DFWJC]

I agree with you. I can't believe this is an argument either. Some of these guy will argue just for argument sake, even if it means taking a stupid position! Thinking college is on the same level of play as the NFL is rediculous!

Don't put words in our mouths. Nobody said college teams are as good as NFL teams.
Nobody is even saying that the vast majority of coaches would not want to coach in the NFL if given the opportunity.
If you don't understand the argument, stay out if it.

We're just saying NCAA college football and basketball are not the same as "minor leagues". They are huge business. Massive.
And that there are some well qualified coaches who would prefer to coach college kids instead of pros....especially for equal money, though they may not be a factor for some.

 

[Direwolf63]

I still think that if Jerry wants Saban here, he'd want him in an unofficial GM/overseer role. He wants to shake things up, and that might even be the kind of shakeup that Garrett would be happy with, given his relationship with Saban. I'd actually be surprised if Jerry didn't at least make that call to see if Saban has any interest, or maybe he's already made the call.

I'd have a harder time seeing it from Saban's point of view. Maybe he's secretly burned out. But unless he was just playing for the cameras last night, he sure didn't sound like a coach ready to walk away. The surprise for me wouldn't be that Jerry asks him, it'd be if Saban says yes.

If Jerry asked and Saban for some reason said "yes" to some kind of role in the front office, I'd imagine he'd be bored to tears within a year. Then Texas would make a full court press when Mack steps down or is eased out after next season.

Agreed.

If Saban respects Garrett as much as it sounds like, he would not want to replace him as HC. He would go elsewhere to be a NFL HC. He would go to Dallas if he wanted to semiretire and become some kind of consultant for Jerry.

But I don't see him leaving Alabama. He is king there and can sit on his throne as long as he wants.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Saban's biggest problem in Miami was not getting Drew Brees. QB's make or break you in the NFL.

His two drafts there don't really excite me though. You hear about Jimmy Johnson (and Pete Carroll now) using their intimate knowledge of top college players to their advantage after jumping from college to the NFL, but Saban's two Miami drafts were pretty lackluster.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Don't put words in our mouths. Nobody said college teams are as good as NFL teams.

Risen Star's argument was basically that college team are not at the same level as the pro's, Doomsday101 said that was his opinion, read it here:

It is an opinion. Oh so if we disagree we are wrong? According to who? You? Give it a rest your views are not gospil. Maybe in your mind not in everyone else.

No. It is not an opinion. I will not pretend the NFL might not be the highest level of football being played. That it's open for debate.

Just like the MLB is the highest level of baseball in this country. Not an opinion. Fact.

That Alabama team last night would get drilled in the NFL and be on the clock right now for April's draft.

Nobody is even saying that the vast majority of coaches would not want to coach in the NFL if given the opportunity.
If you don't understand the argument, stay out if it.

That wasn't the part of the argument I was responding to! I don't even care about that! "Stay out of it!" Excuse me but this is an open forum! What are you in junior high?!

We're just saying NCAA college football and basketball are not the same as "minor leagues". They are huge business. Massive.
And that there are some well qualified coaches who would prefer to coach college kids instead of pros....especially for equal money, though they may not be a factor for some.

That wasn't what Risen Star was arguing, KEEP UP! He even addressed you about that here:

True.

it is not at all like the Minor Leagues as far as interest and enthusiasm.
It's not like going to a minor league baseball or hockey game with 1500 people in the stands.

The top college football programs have greater attendace than all 32 NFL teams.

I'm not talking about interest in the sport. I'm talking about level of play. Competition.

The NFL is the top level because it's the best players. I can't even believe I have to argue this. Most players are good enough for college, not good enough for the NFL. The best and brightest are in that league. You win there and you have beaten the best.

Staying at Alabama for a bunch of NC's is nice but will never compare to winning a Super Bowl. It just won't.

I was merely agreeing with Risen Star that the NFL is the absolute top level of pro football in terms of talent and level of play on the field! It sure did sound like Doomsday101 disagreed by reading some of his posts! You seemed to be trying to redirect the argument to make college and pros be the same in terms of interest and business. Which is true but that wasn't what the part of the argument I was getting in on. Once again I was agreeing with what Risen star that the NFL is the pinnacle of play on the field over college ball and that any other argument to that was a stupid position.

Before you spout off at someone next time PAY ATTENTION!!!