No amount of coaching fixes this

1 starter on the line....you guys do understand this right? Rookies and street FA's are not the same as collins/smith/frederick.

It is pro football but you have to understand this is what you get when you lose 80% of your starters and are forced to play backups or backups to backups....not giving an excuse, just reality - expectations have to be lowered
 
Parcells4Life said:
The players can’t even stay on the right snap count. This has been a consistent problem since Biadasz took over.

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Kaiser said:
Rookie center snapping to a QB who was playing against Albany State last year is going to have problems.
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I don't think he was off by a complete count.

i.e.
hut....hut..snap

vs

hut....hut....snap

It could be partially on the QB.
 
I have noticed the rookie Center has had some “Gurode” like tendencies in his snaps......
 
No doubt about it, I am hungry for success and weary with the weirdness that has become the Cowboys seasons.
 
Nope, that's on the Center. He got the snap count wrong. Watching how the OL comes off the ball, how the QB is not ready for the snap, that's a error on the Center. Hell, the QB does a hell of a job just reaching out and one handing that snap.
 
Jipper said:
1 starter on the line....you guys do understand this right? Rookies and street FA's are not the same as collins/smith/frederick.

It is pro football but you have to understand this is what you get when you lose 80% of your starters and are forced to play backups or backups to backups....not giving an excuse, just reality - expectations have to be lowered
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Why not give an excuse? Its the best excuse you could ever give. Why are people so afraid of excuses? As long as they are legitimate, that's all that matters.
 
Jipper said:
1 starter on the line....you guys do understand this right? Rookies and street FA's are not the same as collins/smith/frederick.

It is pro football but you have to understand this is what you get when you lose 80% of your starters and are forced to play backups or backups to backups....not giving an excuse, just reality - expectations have to be lowered
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Everything you say here is correct but, if we are being honest, a well coached team doesn't make these kinds of mistakes. I mean, yes, they will make mistakes, they will get beaten by other things. Talent will way out and things like holding penalties etc. will get you because of that talent but things like snap counts, jumping off sides, formation or personnel issues, those things are coaching because a well coached team has nothing to do with talent. Even if the talent is poor, the team can be well coached.

Now, to be fair, there wasn't much time to coach up this team but still, to me that's the difference between a well coached team who is just saddled with poor talent and a team who is just bad all around.

JMO
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
Everything you say here is correct but, if we are being honest, a well coached team doesn't make these kinds of mistakes. I mean, yes, they will make mistakes, they will get beaten by other things. Talent will way out and things like holding penalties etc. will get you because of that talent but things like snap counts, jumping off sides, formation or personnel issues, those things are coaching because a well coached team has nothing to do with talent. Even if the talent is poor, the team can be well coached.

Now, to be fair, there wasn't much time to coach up this team but still, to me that's the difference between a well coached team who is just saddled with poor talent and a team who is just bad all around.

JMO
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How many times did this happen in that game? How many times does this or offsides happen to the Patriots? I'm genuinely asking, because I only saw this one, and haven't been watching the Patriots other than what I see on RedZone.
 
Runwildboys said:
How many times did this happen in that game? How many times does this or offsides happen to the Patriots? I'm genuinely asking, because I only saw this one, and haven't been watching the Patriots other than what I see on RedZone.
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I honestly don't know but it's the calls that are unforced that really do indicate, more then anything else, how well coached a team is, how disciplined. Superior talent will force some penalties. Holding, PI, things of that nature. Hell, even some motion calls if a guy is just quicker off the snap, you'll see that sometimes but the things that drive you crazy as a coach are the guys who line up incorrectly, the guys who miss the snap count on a 1st down or a 3rd and short. It's not the guys who hold to keep their QB from getting earholed by a cat quick pass rusher or the CB who gets called on a PI because he knows that he's beaten and it's that or giving up 6.

Drives you crazy RW.
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
I honestly don't know but it's the calls that are unforced that really do indicate, more then anything else, how well coached a team is, how disciplined. Superior talent will force some penalties. Holding, PI, things of that nature. Hell, even some motion calls if a guy is just quicker off the snap, you'll see that sometimes but the things that drive you crazy as a coach are the guys who line up incorrectly, the guys who miss the snap count on a 1st down or a 3rd and short. It's not the guys who hold to keep their QB from getting earholed by a cat quick pass rusher or the CB who gets called on a PI because he knows that he's beaten and it's that or giving up 6.

Drives you crazy RW.
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It does, but it seems like something that happens to all teams on occasion. I find it hard to blame coaching for things that players know they should or shouldn't be doing.
 
Runwildboys said:
It does, but it seems like something that happens to all teams on occasion. I find it hard to blame coaching for things that players know they should or shouldn't be doing.
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I agree with that. I mean, there is a point in time where all teams have talent change over and so you have to bring guys up to speed but with us, we've basically seen this for 10 years or longer. We haven't been a well coached team, IMO, since Parcells left the building.

JMO

In terms of players, as I said earlier, this coaching staff has not really had time to focus on a lot of this stuff so it's hard to hold them accountable for some of this, at this point but, if those kinds of guys are still on the team a year from now, then that's on Coaching. You live with your guys. You pick em, you coach them and then you live with the results. That's my biggest complaint with Garrett. He just kinda allowed that type of environment to settle in, in Dallas. As a HC, you can't do that. Even if it means cutting a more talented player and playing a guy who is less talented but is more disciplined, who takes the coaching because that guy you may have to live with for a season or two till you draft a more talented buy but the message sent is well received and the guy you bring in, he understands that talent is not enough. At that point, you develop a more talented player with the knowledge that he must get better, he must know his craft, he must pay attention and be smart, be disciplined. That's how you do it IMO.
 
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CowboyRoy said:
Why not give an excuse? Its the best excuse you could ever give. Why are people so afraid of excuses? As long as they are legitimate, that's all that matters.
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excuses are perceived as a deferment of taking accountability, there is a negative connotation associated with an excuse because it is typically done to cover something that was failed yet was within one's control.

In this case, its not an excuse, its the reason / reality as the dropped off performance due to the injuries was not within the cowboys control....just how i look at it!
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
Everything you say here is correct but, if we are being honest, a well coached team doesn't make these kinds of mistakes. I mean, yes, they will make mistakes, they will get beaten by other things. Talent will way out and things like holding penalties etc. will get you because of that talent but things like snap counts, jumping off sides, formation or personnel issues, those things are coaching because a well coached team has nothing to do with talent. Even if the talent is poor, the team can be well coached.

Now, to be fair, there wasn't much time to coach up this team but still, to me that's the difference between a well coached team who is just saddled with poor talent and a team who is just bad all around.

JMO
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very fair, and to that point, i would want to see an upward trend in improved play and a reduction in mistakes and penalties which i think we can say we saw last week vs the week prior. If thats the case, then i would put more back on the players than the coaches...in the end you can't get blood from a turnip.

who knows dude....these guys might suck and the coaches might suck...everyone might just suck!
 
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