No Meat 2015

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Short answer...no.

Red meat is bad for you. Fruits and veggies are good for you. It's that type of logic, with cancer.

Well... Dubbing is "scientically" or not is not the point. That's why I didn't answer Boob.

Biologically, it changes you for the worse.


Red meat can increase your likelihood of developing cancer because it has a protein called heme(carcinogen) = cancer.

Res meat can alter estrogen in women = breast cancer. Etc...

Meat = carcinogens and toxicities. Etc

DNA damage from eating red meat is linked to cancer.
 

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Well... Dubbing is "scientically" or not is not the point. That's why I didn't answer Boob.

Biologically, it changes you for the worse.

Red meat can increase your likelihood of developing cancer because it has a protein called heme(carcinogen) = cancer.

Res meat can alter estrogen in women = breast cancer. Etc...

Meat = carcinogens and toxicities. Etc

DNA damage from eating red meat is linked to cancer.
You are way off base in basically all of that.

The red meat you are referring to isn't steak...it's hot dogs, bacon, and cold cuts (ham, bologna)...heavily processed and preserved stuff. The "protein" you referred to is heme iron, which is a catalyst for the formation of carcinogenic compound, it isn't a carcinogen on its own.

There have been studies that find a correlation between a high intake of those foods and colo-rectal cancer and I guess others having to do with the digestive track. It damages the DNA of cells, particularly in the colon, but it doesn't alter your DNA to the point of changing estrogen levels or anything like that.
 

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Well... Dubbing is "scientically" or not is not the point. That's why I didn't answer Boob.

Biologically, it changes you for the worse.


Red meat can increase your likelihood of developing cancer because it has a protein called heme(carcinogen) = cancer.

Res meat can alter estrogen in women = breast cancer. Etc...

Meat = carcinogens and toxicities. Etc

DNA damage from eating red meat is linked to cancer.

What isn't linked to cancer in some way? Just saying :(

Moderation is the key, people need protein(not just fish or chicken) with fruits, grains and veggies. Processed beef is much worse for the body than a nice steak, pork chop, or whatever.
 

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You are way off base in basically all of that.

The red meat you are referring to isn't steak...it's hot dogs, bacon, and cold cuts (ham, bologna)...heavily processed and preserved stuff. The "protein" you referred to is heme iron, which is a catalyst for the formation of carcinogenic compound, it isn't a carcinogen on its own.

There have been studies that find a correlation between a high intake of those foods and colo-rectal cancer and I guess others having to do with the digestive track. It damages the DNA of cells, particularly in the colon, but it doesn't alter your DNA to the point of changing estrogen levels or anything like that.

I'm not going any further with this.

Too much cancer in family and friends. It's a sore subject with me.

I've talked to real doctors, not someone and their opinion on a forum. Or what's found on the internet.
 

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I'm not going any further with this.

Too much cancer in family and friends. It's a sore subject with me.

I've talked to real doctors, not someone and their opinion on a forum. Or what's found on the internet.
Cancer is a sore subject for everyone. If you don't want to argue it, fine.

But what I responded to was incorrect.
 

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Cancer is a sore subject for everyone. If you don't want to argue it, fine.

But what I responded to was incorrect.

For some more than others.

Not arguing, you are not correct.
You don't know more than doctors. Simple.
 

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For some more than others.

Not arguing, you are not correct.
You don't know more than doctors. Simple.

I think a lot of doctors overstep their bounds with respect to their opinions on various subjects. If they aren't doing the research themselves, or quoting peer reviewed research, I find it hard to believe what they are saying. There are many cases of vegans and vegetarians getting various forms of cancer. Robin Gibb of the Bee Gees was a well known Vegan who died of colon cancer. I don't think any long term research has been done that conclusively proves what causes cancer, otherwise, it would be eradicated, or at least significantly reduced in the population.

Do you have HBO? Check out the latest VICE special report. They are now using HIV and various other genetically engineered viruses to actively attack cancer cells. Pretty exciting stuff.
 

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I think a lot of doctors overstep their bounds with respect to their opinions on various subjects. If they aren't doing the research themselves, or quoting peer reviewed research, I find it hard to believe what they are saying. There are many cases of vegans and vegetarians getting various forms of cancer. Robin Gibb of the Bee Gees was a well known Vegan who died of colon cancer. I don't think any long term research has been done that conclusively proves what causes cancer, otherwise, it would be eradicated, or at least significantly reduced in the population.

Do you have HBO? Check out the latest VICE special report. They are now using HIV and various other genetically engineered viruses to actively attack cancer cells. Pretty exciting stuff.

Will do. Thanks.

I have friends that work closely in clinical trials, it's their job. They are privy to results and causes as to what contributes to cancer in said trials. A little more in the know than you, me and others(opinions)
 

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For some more than others.

Not arguing, you are not correct.
You don't know more than doctors. Simple.
Fine...I'll go find sources.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/806573
The preponderance of data gathered in recent decades has supported a link between colorectal cancer (CRC) and red meat consumption, especially processed (cured) red meat (hot dogs, bologna, sausages, bacon, ham, lunch meats).[1] A dose-response relationship was demonstrated by Chan and colleagues,[2] who reported that the risk for CRC increased by 21% for every 50 g/day of processed red meat intake and by 29% for every 100 g/day consumed.

Biologic plausibility for this relationship has been proposed and potential mechanisms of carcinogenesis examined. Pro-cancer factors in red meat might be excess fat, protein, or iron, or heat-induced mutagens. Red meat contains high levels of heme iron (the "red" in red meat), which has a catalytic effect on the endogenous formation of carcinogenic N-nitroso compounds and on the formation of cytotoxic and genotoxic aldehydes by lipoperoxidation.[3] Processed meats contain nitrites and sodium.

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/the-truth-about-red-meat?page=2
“red or processed meats are convincing or probable sources of some cancers.” Their report says evidence is convincing for a link between red meat, processed meat, and colorectal cancer, and limited but suggestive for links to lung, esophageal, stomach, pancreatic, and endometrial cancers.
If eating red meat does increase the risk of cancer, what’s the cause?

A: That’s not clear, but there are several areas that researchers are studying, including:
  • Saturated fat, which has been linked to cancers of the colon and breast as well as to heart disease
  • Carcinogens formed when meat is cooked
  • Heme iron, the type of iron found in meat, that may produce compounds that can damage cells, leading to cancer.
Nothing I said was incorrect.
 

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This time of year I always make it a point to eat seafood on Fridays. I'm a confirmed carnivore and love seafood.
For this Friday, I'm making shrimp campechana and maybe some tilapia. Good stuff!
 

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I may not have the chance to have seafood since im working this friday. but i know ill still avoid meat that day. heres my meal schedule...... 9am: glass of chocolate milk(instant breakfast). 12noon: cheesesticks from jack in the box. 4pm: 2 cheese pizzas from sbarro on my break. 9pm: milk and cookies.
 

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Actually. As human beings we shouldn't eat any animal flesh.


But.... There is this thing called "Cowboy Rib Eye"... Gets me every time... Lol



A plant-based diet can turn off prostate cancer genes, slows aging and improves inflammation, weight, and vascular health.


Cutting Sugar out of your diet and eating anything else in the world will probably do the same thing as far as overall health and diminishing the risk of cancer.



Also, Proteins and Fats are essential to live so I refuse to cut out meat.

I know you can get traces of protein and fat from veggies and nuts but imo it's not as optimal as including meat in your diet for overall health.

One could argue that all of the hormones they pump into chickens and cows make it bad for you but i'll take that risk in order to enjoy my daily meals.
 

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I may not have the chance to have seafood since im working this friday. but i know ill still avoid meat that day. heres my meal schedule...... 9am: glass of chocolate milk(instant breakfast). 12noon: cheesesticks from jack in the box. 4pm: 2 cheese pizzas from sbarro on my break. 9pm: milk and cookies.

That was my dream meal schedule when I was 5 years old.
 

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Has this been scientifically proven or just some claims of a random doctor?

It's not.


Meat has so many minerals that are difficult to get from just a plant based diet.


I've gone away from red meat for a couple of months before and you feel like crap because it's hard to get minerals such as Iron from other foods.


So that's why I just have a simple rule of trying to stay away from sugar the best I can for long periods of time. I don't avoid it all together but it can't be apart of my everyday life.

It's just my theory anyways and people would argue that all carbs turn into glucose so it doesn't matter but I feel like Processed sugars is the cause of most of our health problems.
 

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In before BP closes this down.ha Im no vegetarian but i had some black bean burgers from walmart that were pretty darn good.

Walmart?! May as well just shoot yourself. I'm in the grocer business and believe me you don't want to eat anything from the Devil store.
 

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I'm not going any further with this.

Too much cancer in family and friends. It's a sore subject with me.

I've talked to real doctors, not someone and their opinion on a forum. Or what's found on the internet.


"Real Doctors" may be able to clear up a cold but when it comes to nutrition i'll pass on most of their advice and just figure it out for myself.


These are the same guys that were putting everyone on low fat diets because fat makes you fat...
 

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Also, this is random, but you guys should look up the Supplement Curcumin and it's anti-cancer benefits.
 

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Sooo... what's for lunch guys?

I need ideas... No beef/pork for me, though.
 
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