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To everyone who is against trading next year's #1 to move up to take Goff (if our scouts say he is a franchise type QB), don't worry about losing a pick here or there. Or having to invest two #1's for Goff. The number of picks doesn't matter in the end. What matters is no longer HAVING to pick a guy like Quincy Carter when Romo is done (which could be sooner rather than later)...
 

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Both the picks and the players you take matter. We've got to outperform the best teams in the league. And we also need to hit in the QB.
 

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Man, I'd give up that pick in a heartbeat if our scouts are saying he's the guy. I cant understand how some would rather us stay put and draft a corner :facepalm:
 

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Just take Dallas' draft pick over most of the last 10 years and you'll see that even where they were drafting from they were in easy target (picking in their spot or a tiny trade up) position to get a franchise QB.
It is not a must to get one on the top 5.
Most of the Super Bowl winning QBs were not, actually.
9 of the last 11, actually were NOT

Just drafting normally, the could have had Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Wilson, Carr,
etc, etc...the list goes on. Just drafting in a normel draft spot. Saying this is some limited chance is wrong.

HOWEVER, I do agree that if Dallas thinks this guy is a 98--Luck and Rodgers had that rating--and not a 91 (Goff and Wentz' ratings) out 100, then yes, it may be worth it even if you do risk playing him 2 years and him leaving for FA.
But yes IF they think he is off the charts...ok.
They just have to flat out love the player to cough all that up. It's really like giving up 3 mid 1st rounders because the current 4th overall is worth about two current mid 1st rounders.

And unlike the Rams or other teams, this is for a player they HOPE is a backup for 3 years or more.
 
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Only way I give up next year's 1st is if I get a player for it, not as add-on to move up.

For example if EE fell to 18-22 and I could trade my 2017 for that pick, I would do it.

But I would not trade 4 and next year's 1 to move up and get Goff or 34 and next year's 1st to move up to 15 and take Lynch.
 

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To everyone who is against trading next year's #1 to move up to take Goff (if our scouts say he is a franchise type QB), don't worry about losing a pick here or there. Or having to invest two #1's for Goff. The number of picks doesn't matter in the end. What matters is no longer HAVING to pick a guy like Quincy Carter when Romo is done (which could be sooner rather than later)...

What kind of logic is this? You don't think the Commanders remember how many picks they gave up for RG3?

Those trying to shape the argument as 'pick a QB at 4 this year or it's back to the Quincy Carter days' are way off.
 

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Man, I'd give up that pick in a heartbeat if our scouts are saying he's the guy. I cant understand how some would rather us stay put and draft a corner :facepalm:

If our scouts put him on the Luck, Newton, Winston tier than I would too. But I highly doubt that's the case.
 
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What kind of logic is this? You don't think the Commanders remember how many picks they gave up for RG3?

Those trying to shape the argument as 'pick a QB at 4 this year or it's back to the Quincy Carter days' are way off.

So every trade up is wrong because RGIII was a bust?
 

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To everyone who is against trading next year's #1 to move up to take Goff (if our scouts say he is a franchise type QB), don't worry about losing a pick here or there. Or having to invest two #1's for Goff. The number of picks doesn't matter in the end. What matters is no longer HAVING to pick a guy like Quincy Carter when Romo is done (which could be sooner rather than later)...

not true everybody remembers the lack of picks Commanders have had since 2012

nobody will ever forget the picks dallas got for hershal...ever
 

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What kind of logic is this? You don't think the Commanders remember how many picks they gave up for RG3?

Those trying to shape the argument as 'pick a QB at 4 this year or it's back to the Quincy Carter days' are way off.

That is the only thing those who are saying QB or else can see. If we don't draft a QB while we have the No. 4 draft pick than we're doomed to a Carter repeat.
 

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That is the only thing those who are saying QB or else can see. If we don't draft a QB while we have the No. 4 draft pick than we're doomed to a Carter repeat.

If we don't take a QB at 4, we need to start taking 1 or 2 later in the draft every year until we find one. You can't get lucky with a Brady or RWilson if you never draft one.
 

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not true everybody remembers the lack of picks Commanders have had since 2012

nobody will ever forget the picks dallas got for hershal...ever

They also remember the lack of picks we had after trading for WRs Joey Galloway and Roy Williams. Goff may or may not be worth our pick at 4, I don't see any scenario where he is worth twice that.
 

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If we don't take a QB at 4, we need to start taking 1 or 2 later in the draft every year until we find one. You can't get lucky with a Brady or RWilson if you never draft one.

I think Dallas should take one in this draft no matter what, and if they feel there is one worth taking at 34, they should definitely do that considering the success rate of QBs taken in the 30s is higher than QBs taken in the top five (with a much lower sample size).

Even if they don't take one at 34, I agree that they should take one and then probably take at least one each year Romo remains the starter. If they don't find a starter that way by the time Romo is ready to call it quits, that's when you do something like LA did and trade up to take a QB.
 
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