Nolan Smith

[morasp]

I’m more than taken aback by Hutchinson’s stats. I really didn’t think he would do this in the pros so early.

And I didn't realize Williams did that well especially considering he missed time with an injury.

 

[Cowboyny]

1) Where do you have him ranked?

2) Where do you think he is picked?

Cross him off your list, could be as high as a top 10 pick, probably goes in the teens.

 

[Zekeats]

I'm probably old school but I'm not a big fan of underwear Olympics gold medalists with average production moving up that far.

It was just their rookie seasons but the stats are an interesting comparison:

Travon Walker round 1 pick 1
College 33 tackles 7.5 TFL 6 sacks
NFL 49 tackles 5 TFL 3.5 sacks 10 QB hits

Aidan Hutchinson round 1 pick 2
College 62 tackles 16.5 TFL 14 sacks
NFL 52 tackles 9 TFL 9.5 sacks 15 QB hits

Sam Williams Round 2 pick 56
College 57 tackles 15 TFL 12.5 sacks
NFL 22 tackles 10 TFL 4 sacks 9 QB hits

And who played extremely limited time? You forgot to mention that part.

 

[Majic]

We should be a 3-4 team with Parsons and Sam Williams already. Then if a guy like Kancey was there you could take him and put him at DE on a 3-4.

I'm going to keep banging the drum for this also. When you have a player of Parsons ability you build the scheme around him. I believe 3-4 OLB is best for him. I think a lot of defensive coaches would think the same and make the switch.

 

[tm1119]

I'm going to keep banging the drum for this also. When you have a player of Parsons ability you build the scheme around him. I believe 3-4 OLB is best for him. I think a lot of defensive coaches would think the same and make the switch.

Running a consistent base 3-3-5 would make this D nasty.

Lawrence-Hankins-Owa
Parsons-LVE-Williams (Parson’s versatility in coverage would shine, but still blitz him a ton)
Diggs-Gillmore-Kearse-Wilson-Hooker

Remove Williams for Bland in the nickel

 

[Majic]

Running a consistent base 3-3-5 would make this D nasty.

Lawrence-Hankins-Owa
Parsons-LVE-Williams (Parson’s versatility in coverage would shine, but still blitz him a ton)
Diggs-Gillmore-Kearse-Wilson-Hooker

Remove Williams for Bland in the nickel

Interesting, with Kearse more as an ILB?

 

[stilltheguru]

2nd round prospect that will go round 1 and hopefully not to Dallas

 

[cnuball21]

I'm probably old school but I'm not a big fan of underwear Olympics gold medalists with average production moving up that far.

It was just their rookie seasons but the stats are an interesting comparison:

Travon Walker round 1 pick 1
College 33 tackles 7.5 TFL 6 sacks
NFL 49 tackles 5 TFL 3.5 sacks 10 QB hits

Aidan Hutchinson round 1 pick 2
College 62 tackles 16.5 TFL 14 sacks
NFL 52 tackles 9 TFL 9.5 sacks 15 QB hits

Sam Williams Round 2 pick 56
College 57 tackles 15 TFL 12.5 sacks
NFL 22 tackles 10 TFL 4 sacks 9 QB hits

You have to dig a little deeper because you’re completely ignoring the number of pass rush snaps he’s played and the type of defense UGA runs.

His pass rush win rate is elite. Like, better then the 2 dudes that were taken top 10 last year.

 

[morasp]

You have to dig a little deeper because you’re completely ignoring the number of pass rush snaps he’s played and the type of defense UGA runs.

His pass rush win rate is elite. Like, better then the 2 dudes that were taken top 10 last year.

I guess you need to spell it out for me. I guess you mean Walker since he played at Georgia. It really wouldn't matter because I'll take Williams all day over him anyway. Of course as I mentioned he will probably get better with a year under his belt but I'm hoping Williams does too.

 

[cnuball21]

I guess you need to spell it out for me. I guess you mean Walker since he played at Georgia. It really wouldn't matter because I'll take Williams all day over him anyway.

No I’m talking about Smith.

His last healthy season he had 7 sacks and Anderson was around 14. Anderson played like 300 more snaps than him bc GA rotates the heck out of their players.

 

[morasp]

No I’m talking about Smith.

His last healthy season he had 7 sacks and Anderson was around 14. Anderson played like 300 more snaps than him bc GA rotates the heck out of their players.

I looked it up and he played 8 games, didn't know he was injured. Can't really speak to how many snaps he logged but on a per game basis 3 sacks is still pretty low. How many sacks did Anderson have?

 

[cnuball21]

I looked it up and he played 8 games, didn't know he was injured. Can't really speak to how many snaps he logged but on a per game basis 3 sacks is still pretty low. How many sacks did Anderson have?

No idea. But again, I’d recommend looking into more advanced stats and the actual amount of snaps played.

On a per snap / basis, Smith is among the most efficient edge rushers in the class.

 

[morasp]

No idea. But again, I’d recommend looking into more advanced stats and the actual amount of snaps played.

On a per snap / basis, Smith is among the most efficient edge rushers in the class.

It might be worth looking at I'll take your word for it, but it also makes me wonder how well he would do with an increased workload, 12.5 sacks in four seasons isn't that good.

 

[cnuball21]

It might be worth looking at I'll take your word for it, but it also makes me wonder how well he would do with an increased workload, 12.5 sacks in four seasons isn't that good.

He’ll be fine. There’s a lot more to the eval than just looking at sacks. The best player in the draft (his teammate Carter) has less career sacks.

 

[morasp]

He’ll be fine. There’s a lot more to the eval than just looking at sacks. The best player in the draft (his teammate Carter) has less career sacks.

I wouldn't take him at in the top 10 or even at 26. but that's just my opinion and maybe he'll prove me wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. They aren't perfect but NFL.com ranks him at 58.

 

[cnuball21]

I wouldn't take him at in the top 10 or even at 26. but that's just my opinion and maybe he'll prove me wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. They aren't perfect but NFL.com ranks him at 58.

You’re going to be surprised at how early he’s taken.

And I’d look at more than just 1 site for rankings. 58 is laughable for Smith.

 

[baltcowboy]

I'm not sure Edge Rusher is the best pick at #26 with Micah, Ware, Williams, Armstrong and Fowler how much play time will Smith Nolan get?

Not a knock on the player, but for a first rounder we need someone who can contribute right away.

Yeah, he'll probably be able to replace Ware eventually but Sam Williams very well could be the DE2 next season if he progresses.

Think the team needs to address another position in Round 1.

And yes, we can never have too many good pass rushers, but a lot of other positions need attention too first imo.

The Cowboys pass rushers are average at best once you take away Parsons. Quinn has a great scheme but when teams started gutting us with the run, the pass rush stopped. Reports are the Cowboys believe when Tank hurt his foot it put more on Parsons and it affected his play. A pass rusher is one of the Cowboys top needs. Besides Parsons we have a bunch of jags. Look at their salaries.

 

[J12B]

The Cowboys pass rushers are average at best once you take away Parsons. Quinn has a great scheme but when teams started gutting us with the run, the pass rush stopped. Reports are the Cowboys believe when Tank hurt his foot it put more on Parsons and it affected his play. A pass rusher is one of the Cowboys top needs. Besides Parsons we have a bunch of jags. Look at their salaries.

We did spend a 2nd rounder on Sam Williams last year and a 1st rounder on Parsons the year prior.

Need to improve elsewhere. Maybe Calijah Cancey since he's interior Dline, but I don't know if he'll help against the run since he's seen as more of a pass rush DT.

 

[AsthmaField]

Hey, there were a lot of years we would have been way better off had we done that rather than try to outsmart everyone by drafting guys from Sister Mary's School of the Inferior!!

For better than a decade now, Dallas has pretty much been hitting on their first round picks… with Taco being a notable exception.

But hey, if you follow that first round philosophy, just imagine the money you could save on scouts! You wouldn’t even need them. Just pick the highest rated SEC player and hope that Saban or Smart knew what they were doing.

 

[morasp]

You’re going to be surprised at how early he’s taken.

And I’d look at more than just 1 site for rankings. 58 is laughable for Smith.

I'll stick with NFL.com they usually do a pretty good job. If he does get taken at ten than good for him. You might be taking this a little too serious, your welcome to your opinion just like me and everyone else on this forum but don't take it personally if mine is different than yours. These are guys that are going to make more money than I ever did in my whole career and they could care less what we think. Like I said I may be wrong, we'll find out in a few years, but if he can't get on the field on college for whatever reason it actually gets harder in the NFL.