Norm's things we wished we hadn't learned

[ChooChoo73]

Nothing earth shattering but in case anyone liks to listen to him but couldn't:

Things we wish we hadn’t learned

1) That the O line needs serious overall - 2 new starters and backups
2) That Alan ball is good spec teams player and nickel but is a liability as safety
3) Defense stinks
4) Tired of waiting for Spencer to make a difference-Butler deserves to compete for the job
5) We should be worried about Mike Jenkins
6) Have players who’s age is concern (Newman, Brooking, Kosier, Colombo, Davis)
7) There’s a Depth problem at WR, O line, D Line, LB, secondary (QB, RB, TE-only areas w/depth)
8) Peed away whole 2009 draft

 

[ScipioCowboy]

There's a depth problem at wide receiver? By what measure?

 

[jobberone]

You could argue there is a depth problem at WR. Hurd is an excellent ST player but not a decent WR. Olgetree is unproven although I'm optimistic. We don't know RW will be here next year although I suspect he will be.

 

[Venger]

There's a depth problem at wide receiver? By what measure?

I think by the measure of who we are trotting out there these days... we've been losing WR's like crazy of late.

 

[bbgun]

6) Have players who’s age is concern (Newman, Brooking, Kosier, Colombo, Davis)

Norm should have learned proper grammar.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I think by the measure of who we are trotting out there these days... we've been losing WR's like crazy of late.

So, is Norm contending that the Cowboys have a depth problem at receiver now that their second, third, and fourth receivers are injured? That observation seems a little pointless to me. What team--outside of maybe the Packers--wouldn't have a depth problem under such circumstances?

 

[ChooChoo73]

Any grammer issues it's mine-- my bad. This was a recap.
Realtive to WRs I'm up in the air on that. We seem to be good but Ogletree and HUrd scare me if we need them for an extended period of time. I wonder if Roy is with us next year. What is the $$ due to him this year if he's on our roster opening day? His salary must be starting to accelerate since we are in year 3 with him.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Any grammer issues it's mine-- my bad. This was a recap.
Realtive to WRs I'm up in the air on that. We seem to be good but Ogletree and HUrd scare me if we need them for an extended period of time. I wonder if Roy is with us next year. What is the $$ due to him this year if he's on our roster opening day? His salary must be starting to accelerate since we are in year 3 with him.

Take a long around the league, Norm, every NFL team has depth challenges.

As for Jenkins, he is a mental midget who may never get better because he has a hard time adapting to change. Jenkins will have to work hard this offseason to grasp the secondary scheme regardless of who the DC is next year.

 

[VACowboy]

Ya got depth prob at any position if enough players get hurt.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yea I don't get that about the receiver position. If Choice gets hurt or Felix gets hurt than we still have depth at the running back position? Receiver is probably our deepest position. Not every team can say they have can throw out 3 capable receivers out there at any time. Some barely even have just one.

 

[Randy White]

You could argue there is a depth problem at WR. Hurd is an excellent ST player but not a decent WR. Olgetree is unproven although I'm optimistic. We don't know RW will be here next year although I suspect he will be.

I don't care what team in the NFL you point out, but whenever any of them have to go into the 4th, 5th, and 6th receiver level to bring up a starter, of course you're going to have a " depth " problem afterwards. Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Roy Williams, if there is a better 3 receivers core than that in the league, I'd like to know who it is. The second closest I can think of are the Jets with Jerricho Cotchery, Braylon Edwards, and Santonio Holmes, but they're not as good.

This is one of those cases where Norm's senility shows up, even though I'm a big fan of his.

 

[Randy White]

I wonder if Roy is with us next year. What is the $$ due to him this year if he's on our roster opening day? His salary must be starting to accelerate since we are in year 3 with him.

You mean " next " year ? His salary is roughly 5 million dollars. Depending on the new CBA, not exactly a cap killer, but probably too much for a 3rd receiver.

Then again, Dez is making peanuts and in terms of salary scale, HE could be considered a " 3rd " receiver in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I usually stop listening to Norm right after his top 100 comes out.

This is why.

 

[FLcowboy]

There's a depth problem at wide receiver? By what measure?

Sam HURD started last week? And his backup was Manuel Johnson?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Sam HURD started last week? And his backup was Manuel Johnson?

Only after the Cowboys lost their second, third, and fourth receivers...and they still managed to score 33 points.

 

[joseephuss]

Only after the Cowboys lost their second, third, and fourth receivers...and they still managed to score 33 points.

And they traded away Crayton, who would have been the 4th receiver had he stayed in Dallas. They were able to do that because they had depth at the position.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Nothing earth shattering but in case anyone liks to listen to him but couldn't:

Things we wish we hadn’t learned

1) That the O line needs serious overall - 2 new starters and backups

I think it's not as serious as it was earlier in the year. I think the O-Line is much better now that Garrett is in charge and they simply needed tougher coaching and tougher practices.

That being said, we need to start the overhauling process now. At least 60% of the starters need to go by 2012 and probably more like 80%. And then we'll need backups for those guys. If Sam Young can do something, that would be a HUGE help.

2) That Alan ball is good spec teams player and nickel but is a liability as safety

Yeah. I tried to stick up for him, but his tackling is just so bad. We are covering TE's better than we have in quite some time, but that may be due to our inability to cover #1 WR.

3) Defense stinks

Yep.

4) Tired of waiting for Spencer to make a difference-Butler deserves to compete for the job

I agree. Spencer was a big reason for huge issues with the defense early on. He simply didn't want to maintain his gaps and it killed us. I think with Garrett as HC, he knows he can't play that game for long. Butler should certainly compete. This is far from our issue on defense, but they should have a competition next season.

5) We should be worried about Mike Jenkins

Yes and no. Yes because he's a player that needs to have a coach that stays on him. No because he's got the ability if a coach stays on him. I think he's played pretty well since the Minny game, but like the Minny game, the guy can't catch a break.

6) Have players who’s age is concern (Newman, Brooking, Kosier, Colombo, Davis)

Well, that's common with every team. Personally I keep Newman and Kosier and let the rest go.

7) There’s a Depth problem at WR, O line, D Line, LB, secondary (QB, RB, TE-only areas w/depth)

I disagree. We only have depth issues because we've had a boat load of injuries. I think WR is very deep. Same with D-LIne and LB. I'd take a motivated Jenkins, Newman, Scandrick and McCann.

8) Peed away whole 2009 draft

Uhh...let's wait on this one.

It looks like John Phillips has very nice potential to be the best #3 TE in the game. Buehler has major potential. We don't know what Ogletree is or isn't. Same with Brewster. Let's say Philips turns into the best #3 TE in the game and Beuhler is a top FG kicker who is the best kickoff guy in the league and Olgetree makes a nice #3 WR or valuable #4 WR (assuming we spread it out more)...would you call that a wasted draft? I wouldn't. I wouldn't call it great either, but still picked up some valuable parts.








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