Norv Turner versus Jason Garrett in Play Design

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Since this has been repeated ad nauseum, that Norv ran a simple offense and it was simply about execution, I just wanted to reference this latest article on Greg Jennings in regards to what Norv's offense is.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ad-is-spinning-learning-norv-turners-offense/

“My head is spinning,” Jennings said, via the Minneapolis Star Tribune. “Even though the offense is coming and it’s starting to sink in. Just with all the different change-ups we can present to the defense, the different looks, the different formations we can run the same play, the different variations that comes within the same play. Your head is spinning at all times until you have it down. The variations from one play to the variations of how we can get to that one play, is a lot. I’m being a little sarcastic with this statement, but it almost equates to what we had last year — just one play. It’s a lot.”

So from a WRs mouth himself, even when Norv presents the same play, there are countless variations that can come within that play.
 
And it worked so well in Washington and San Diego.
 
With AP, and a decent QB he could land another HC job if the offense does a 180 in Minny.
 
Since this has been repeated ad nauseum, that Norv ran a simple offense and it was simply about execution, I just wanted to reference this latest article on Greg Jennings in regards to what Norv's offense is.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ad-is-spinning-learning-norv-turners-offense/



So from a WRs mouth himself, even when Norv presents the same play, there are countless variations that can come within that play.

It's irrelevant now. Scott Linehan is the new OC. This is not a Bill Callahan running Garrett's offense type situation anymore.
 
I'll say this JG and BC's offenses both show tendencies, Norv's do not, especially in the run game.
 
It's irrelevant now. Scott Linehan is the new OC. This is not a Bill Callahan running Garrett's offense type situation anymore.

Let's not act like any of us knows what that means, as far as roles, playbooks, philosophy, etc.
 
Let's not act like any of us knows what that means, as far as roles, playbooks, philosophy, etc.

The Cowboys insider types like Broaddus and Mike Fisher say that Garrett is really out of the offense and that Scott Linehan has complete control.
 
Since this has been repeated ad nauseum, that Norv ran a simple offense and it was simply about execution, I just wanted to reference this latest article on Greg Jennings in regards to what Norv's offense is.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ad-is-spinning-learning-norv-turners-offense/



So from a WRs mouth himself, even when Norv presents the same play, there are countless variations that can come within that play.

no one ever denied he wasn't good as an OC. he lacks a lot as a head coach.
 
The Cowboys insider types like Broaddus and Mike Fisher say that Garrett is really out of the offense and that Scott Linehan has complete control.

We've heard multiple things from guys like that in the past. We have no idea who is calling the shots, or why they are playing musical chairs with playcallers and coordinators.
 
We've heard multiple things from guys like that in the past. We have no idea who is calling the shots, or why they are playing musical chairs with playcallers and coordinators.

I understand where your coming from based on how the Cowboys have done things in the past.

Garrett said something about Scott Linehan and it seemed that he sees him as legitimately being the OC. Garrett never seemed to commit to Callahan as the OC saying things like "we have to work out the mechanics of the play calling" and those types of statements.
 
Since this has been repeated ad nauseum, that Norv ran a simple offense and it was simply about execution, I just wanted to reference this latest article on Greg Jennings in regards to what Norv's offense is.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ad-is-spinning-learning-norv-turners-offense/



So from a WRs mouth himself, even when Norv presents the same play, there are countless variations that can come within that play.

Wait the Vikings are already practicing? Why aren't practicing as an offense when we have a new off coordinator? Must be that process that Garrett seems to talk about a lot.
 
The Cowboys insider types like Broaddus and Mike Fisher say that Garrett is really out of the offense and that Scott Linehan has complete control.

Just for continuity and clarity, that should be a good thing.
 
Since this has been repeated ad nauseum, that Norv ran a simple offense and it was simply about execution, I just wanted to reference this latest article on Greg Jennings in regards to what Norv's offense is.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ad-is-spinning-learning-norv-turners-offense/



So from a WRs mouth himself, even when Norv presents the same play, there are countless variations that can come within that play.

That's nothing new. Lot's of timing-vertical offenses are like that. Add in the west coast and the rest.....voila.
 
The Cowboys insider types like Broaddus and Mike Fisher say that Garrett is really out of the offense and that Scott Linehan has complete control.

Garrett is such a great offensive mind that team management wants him to have nothing to do with the offense

A cook who is not allowed in the kitchen except to wash dishes

Makes perfect sense

And this is the guy who will lead this team to the promised land?
 
Garrett is such a great offensive mind that team management wants him to have nothing to do with the offense

A cook who is not allowed in the kitchen except to wash dishes

Makes perfect sense

And this is the guy who will lead this team to the promised land?

Many have complained Garrett the OC ran an offense that the league had caught up to. That he was predictable. He didn't know how to call plays.

So Garrett the HC takes an inventory and says my way isn't getting it done and neither did Callahan's, etc. So Garrett the HC decides to bring in Linehan to call plays, install his offense and run it. Which should be a good thing since he's correcting the problem many have cried so loudly about.

IOW's no matter what Garrett and the rest of the team does, it will always be the wrong thing and he is an idiot even when he's trying to improve things whether he thinks he's part of the problem or his subordinates are.

Oh, BTW, Garrett's and the rest of whomever's offense while he's been here as OC and/or HC has consistently been in the top ten so it's not like his offense has been dog pooh and now we have Linehan to save the day.

Now before you counter with the ad hominem attacks of you'll say anything because Garrett is your guy, remember I've consistently said I don't know if Garrett the OC or HC is THE guy. I've merely pointed out that despite the pretty good offense most of the time there were some problems with the offense particularly in the RZ and with the Sc%. That has improved, too, BTW. And he has cost us some games, IMO, with game management issues. He's not in the top 1% of the league or even 5%; just top 1/3 or better.

So Garrett isn't a Paul Brown, Tom Landry or Vince Lombardi in innovating new offenses to defeat the current league's defenses. But he's actually fairly good. And Garrett the HC is smart enough to try and make the offense better by bringing in people to improve it. And when they aren't exactly what he wants, he goes out and gets someone hopefully better.

I'm not certain what you guys want beyond the 'we don't care about analyzing nothing just win' mentality. This game is simple yet extremely complicated. Some here appear unable to grasp this.

We have a pretty good offense which they are trying to improve to get not in the top then but the top five or better. They've brought in two well thought of coaches to improve the defense. It's unfortunate we haven't been able to see what they can do or how good the players are with all the injuries and losses of personnel for other reasons. Maybe we'll see a reasonably healthy team this year and be able to figure out what else needs addressing. The STs appear to be covered at least until we see what the new guys can do this year.

I'm unable to tell if some here are just such negative persons all they can do is complain (which is how some people are), fans of another team trolling here to well do what trolls do, persons mucking up the site for whatever reason(s), or just so frustrated they are unable to perceive all the moving parts instead of just the problematic ones.

It's just difficult to respond to 'it' and engage in substantive debate. Perhaps that will eventually happen in the future. One can only hope.
 
Only a clown allows his GM to call him a "trainee" and stays there. That is a public embarrassment that any self respecting HC would not stand for.

I can honestly say this was the final straw for me as far as respecting Garrett and eliminated the possibility of ever being capable of being convinced he has a plan, knows what he is doing and is in control.
 

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