Not a total indictment but...

[ghst187]

there's a reason many of our castoffs get picked up quickly....
I thought of this as I watched Alan Ball and Bradie James WIN their game on thanksgiving...two guys who just couldn't quite make it in Dallas but are now signif contributors to a winning team. TNew also now plays on a team that will probably beat the snot out of us. We just got blasted by a team with a bottom-dwelling roster and a good QB. Look at the kickers around the league that were with us but still have jobs....Folk, Cundiff, Bryant, Suisham...okay so kickers aren't that big of deal but here's my point.

It seems to me that we don't do that poorly at drafting and accumulating talent. In fact, it may be that we do fairly well...it seems to me more that we have a bigger problem developing talent and then coaching the talent to play together with synergy....possibly the same indictment currently in several other threads about the culture of losing permeating the Ranch.

We debate on this board about whether we, as fans, overvalue the talent on our roster but then I also think about what Bill Parcells did by leading Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick into the playoffs. Look at a lot of other teams/orgs....would probably kill for our roster yet we continue to mire in .500-land year after year. Heck the Steelers and giants have two SBs in the past 10 years and none of those teams were overwhelming as far as talent.

I'm sure Jerry shoulders a lot of the blame but until a coach comes in a overhauls the team with a complete attitude and work ethic change....an atmosphere alteration like Jimmy J brought. I'd love to see Sean Payton here but not totally sure he will bring the transformational change that is needed to make this team a consistent winner although he worked magic in New Orleans....of course the owner allowed him to there. I hope we'll find out.

 

[Bluestang]

So you think Alan Ball surrendering 100+ yds and a TD in the first half alone is successful to you?

The Texans never should have won that game after the refs clealry botched a routine play and gave them a free score.

 

[Risen Star]

Bradie James was a significant player here for many years.

Alan Ball sucks in any uniform.

I'm not sure where this thread is going. An honest look at our personnel decisions over the years will tell you the main issue is talent evaluation not player development.

 

[burmafrd]

Bradie James was a significant player here for many years.

Alan Ball sucks in any uniform.

I'm not sure where this thread is going. An honest look at our personnel decisions over the years will tell you the main issue is talent evaluation not player development.

very few players leave the Boys and have significant careers. About the only one that we let go in the last 5 years or so that seems to be better then average is Amendola.

Ball sucks period
Bradie was old and slow and getting older and slower so we let him go
Bryant was a moron and has never gotten any smarter
Kickers come and go and no one knows when one will have a good run of several years and when one will start to stink it up

 

[lostar2009]

dude ball was a scrub and got beat hard on thanksgiving.. its the NFL... it you can play some what you can always have a job.

 

[Future]

dude ball was a scrub and got beat hard on thanksgiving.. its the NFL... it you can play some what you can always have a job.

I was shocked that another team picked him up. Was sure that his NFL career was over.

 

[jobberone]

I think our player acquisition has been good of late. I don't think our coaching is substandard. We have holes and this year we have had too many injuries to overcome those holes. We are still paying a price for poor OL acquisition and we surely haven't been great at it.

 

[burmafrd]

I was shocked that another team picked him up. Was sure that his NFL career was over.

as a backup you can get on a roster with some team somewhere

 

[Zordon]

i think you're overrating it a bit. more than half of our starters from the 2010 team are either out of the league or serving backup roles elsewhere.

 

[MagicMan]

there's a reason many of our castoffs get picked up quickly....
I thought of this as I watched Alan Ball and Bradie James WIN their game on thanksgiving...two guys who just couldn't quite make it in Dallas but are now signif contributors to a winning team. TNew also now plays on a team that will probably beat the snot out of us. We just got blasted by a team with a bottom-dwelling roster and a good QB. Look at the kickers around the league that were with us but still have jobs....Folk, Cundiff, Bryant, Suisham...okay so kickers aren't that big of deal but here's my point.

It seems to me that we don't do that poorly at drafting and accumulating talent. In fact, it may be that we do fairly well...it seems to me more that we have a bigger problem developing talent and then coaching the talent to play together with synergy....possibly the same indictment currently in several other threads about the culture of losing permeating the Ranch.

We debate on this board about whether we, as fans, overvalue the talent on our roster but then I also think about what Bill Parcells did by leading Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick into the playoffs. Look at a lot of other teams/orgs....would probably kill for our roster yet we continue to mire in .500-land year after year. Heck the Steelers and giants have two SBs in the past 10 years and none of those teams were overwhelming as far as talent.

I'm sure Jerry shoulders a lot of the blame but until a coach comes in a overhauls the team with a complete attitude and work ethic change....an atmosphere alteration like Jimmy J brought. I'd love to see Sean Payton here but not totally sure he will bring the transformational change that is needed to make this team a consistent winner although he worked magic in New Orleans....of course the owner allowed him to there. I hope we'll find out.

good post....dont know about Ball or James, I thought they were wastes...but Amendola and even the great Martellus Bennett has had more success in less than a year in NY than his entire career in Dallas. There is a problem with talent evaluation and not coaching UP the players we have. Especially on the OL. You are not going to get the perfect player but you can utilitize the strengths of your players abilities to help the team. You put them in the best position to succeed, and you succeed.

Its like Jason is trying to plug square pegs into round holes and Jerry is providing the hammer, saw, drill, and crowbar to force them in. I don't trust these two to build a steamrolling, buttkicking, name-taking, well-oiled, championship caliber juggernaut in Big D.

 

[burmafrd]

good post....dont know about Ball or James, I thought they were wastes...but Amendola and even the great Martellus Bennett has had more success in less than a year in NY than his entire career in Dallas. There is a problem with talent evaluation and not coaching UP the players we have. Especially on the OL. You are not going to get the perfect player but you can utilitize the strengths of your players abilities to help the team. You put them in the best position to succeed, and you succeed.

Its like Jason is trying to plug square pegs into round holes and Jerry is providing the hammer, saw, drill, and crowbar to force them in. I don't trust these two to build a steamrolling, buttkicking, name-taking, well-oiled, championship caliber juggernaut in Big D.

Bennett is the STARTING TE for the Giants and his stats do not look very good compared to Witten's

 

[MagicMan]

Bennett is the STARTING TE for the Giants and his stats do not look very good compared to Witten's

not comparing him to Witten, comparing him to his own play in Dallas. And its been a monster year for Witten only because of the piss poor play by the WRs here. Romo has to throw it to someone.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Let the rueing begin!


:laugh2:

 

[Omegasupreme]

And then there was Steven Peterman starting again for the Lions. Just a bummer to watch. In Social Psychology its known as "relative deprivation", but I just can't help feeling like a lot of these players need more roles for their strengths rather than waiting to see if they are the right kind of guy for the pigeonhole. And the fact is, "waiting" is really a chimera; the team does not wait. They dump and move on - for good and for bad. But Peterman is a particular bout of bitterness to watch and think 'What could have been'.

 

[CoCo]

not comparing him to Witten, comparing him to his own play in Dallas. And its been a monster year for Witten only because of the piss poor play by the WRs here. Romo has to throw it to someone.

Except that Witten's career is all about having monster years, one right after the other. That's how you end up being a storied franchises all time receptions leader and threaten to be the leading TE of all time in the NFL.

But yeah, other than that, you are right on the money.

 

[Rack]

very few players leave the Boys and have significant careers. About the only one that we let go in the last 5 years or so that seems to be better then average is Amendola.

Ball sucks period
Bradie was old and slow and getting older and slower so we let him go
Bryant was a moron and has never gotten any smarter
Kickers come and go and no one knows when one will have a good run of several years and when one will start to stink it up

Chris Canty.


But yeah Ball got TORCHED on thanksgiving. And James hasn't done much for them either.

 

[Dodger12]

And the fact is, "waiting" is really a chimera; the team does not wait. They dump and move on - for good and for bad. But Peterman is a particular bout of bitterness to watch and think 'What could have been'.

We waited plenty. Bennett's a scrub and we had no business drafting him in the 2nd round. Good riddance and he can take his attitude with him. O-Tree, Randall Williams, Stephan McGee, Alan Ball, AOA, Billy Davis, John Phillips, Victor Butler, Phil Costa, to name a few. We waited on Free and struck fools gold. Our coaches and GM way over rate our talent and have for years.

Then lets not mention that we keep aging vets too long and extend their contracts past their prime. We wait plenty.

 

[Proximo]

I think our player acquisition has been good of late. I don't think our coaching is substandard. We have holes and this year we have had too many injuries to overcome those holes. We are still paying a price for poor OL acquisition and we surely haven't been great at it.

I agree. Player acquisition has been solid as of late, we just don't have the depth to overcome the injuries. And the reason for that lack of depth is the poor job of acquiring talent that was done prior to the last 2-3 seasons. If the promising young players on this squad pan out, and we continue to manage the roster well for the next season or 2, I think we will be in very good shape.

I really think we're building a nice core of young players: Lee, Carter, Claiborne, Murray, Smith, Dez, and even on a slightly lower level we're starting to see positive development and contributions from guys like Harris, Beasely, and Crawford. Regardless of how this year pans out, if we have another solid offseason of acquiring talent, we will be trending upwards.

 

[Picksix]

Chris Canty.


But yeah Ball got TORCHED on thanksgiving. And James hasn't done much for them either.

Canty really hasn't done much for the Giants. He's been okay, which is what he was for us. Had a great game against us, but I'm thinking that was more us paying a lot more attention to JPP, Tuck, Osi, etc. He should be able to have games like that consistently, because he's never a priority for the opposing OL.

 

[EPL0c0]

dude ball was a scrub and got beat hard on thanksgiving.. its the NFL... it you can play some what you can always have a job.

replaced that scrub with another scrub...