Now much did those first two non-converted 4ths hurt?

Reverend Conehead said:
It looked like failing to convert those two early 4th downs really hurt. It felt like the wind being taken out of the sails. Do you guys think this was a huge deal, or was it more of a problem of lack of participation.
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I think going for it on 4th down is stupid, especially early in the game on your side of the field. If you are way up, fine.....................if you are way down, fine.
 
CowboyRoy said:
I think going for it on 4th down is stupid, especially early in the game on your side of the field. If you are way up, fine.....................if you are way down, fine.
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I was definitely scratching my head on the second one. Doing it one time, and you can chalk it up to an occasional calculated risk. But doing it again after you had lost out on that risk ... what the ???? I was saying, "Come on, guys, just punt it away and play some good defense." If you do a really good punt, it's possible to back them way up.
 
I look at the bigger issue of execution overall. The Cowboys struggled to convert 4th down situations, but the offensive struggles also are what put them in 4th down situations to begin with. To me its hard to say the wind was taken out of the sails when there simply wasn't any wind that day to begin with. Not as if the Cowboys started out with a 10 play drive that stalled out on the 10 yard line with a gimme FG opportunity.
 
Reverend Conehead said:
I was definitely scratching my head on the second one. Doing it one time, and you can chalk it up to an occasional calculated risk. But doing it again after you had lost out on that risk ... what the ???? I was saying, "Come on, guys, just punt it away and play some good defense." If you do a really good punt, it's possible to back them way up.
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Huh?

The first one was a 4th-and-1 from the opponent’s 38. Going for it there is not an “occasional calculated risk.” Everybody goes for it there and always has, at least for the last 25 years.

On the second one, you really wanted us to punt from the Denver 20 yard line?
 
Clearly pumped up Denver to go and make those stops and putting the ball back in the hands of their offense. I said going into the game when you face a team who is struggling it is important to jump on them early and often to take their will to fight away. Instead Denver made the plays and the confidence built through out the game. I tip my hat to Denver and I expect Cowboys to put this behind them and play to the level they have shown through out the season.
 
Jipper said:
Bad....for two reasons

1 gave the defense uber confidence against us

2 the first points are always the hardest
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Lovely cliches, but there’s no truth to either, especially the second. Look at the Vikings game for just one very common example: their first score was easy, and they never got to the end zone again.
 
Reverend Conehead said:
It looked like failing to convert those two early 4th downs really hurt. It felt like the wind being taken out of the sails. Do you guys think this was a huge deal, or was it more of a problem of lack of participation.
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Mucho . . . Mucho . . . es No Bueno
 
JD_KaPow said:
Lovely cliches, but there’s no truth to either, especially the second. Look at the Vikings game for just one very common example: their first score was easy, and they never got to the end zone again.
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I'm with you this time.

The first time was on the opponents 40. 4th and 1. Risk reward fully adds up to going for it there.

The second I don't recall the field position but I recall already having a desperate feeling. MM probably did as well.

Doesn't at all matter. They kicked the crap out of us and would have still if we converted each.
 
JD_KaPow said:
Huh?

The first one was a 4th-and-1 from the opponent’s 38. Going for it there is not an “occasional calculated risk.” Everybody goes for it there and always has, at least for the last 25 years.

On the second one, you really wanted us to punt from the Denver 20 yard line?
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Okay, I didn't remember us having field position that advanced. That's for the reminder. In that case, a field goal would have made more sense.
 
Those two failed drives were for sure bad but we could still recover from them. It was the rest of the game that hurt so much. In the NFL, a bad game can happen any Sunday. I forgive the Cowboys. Now go be the team you were the first 7 games of the season. :flagwave:
 
Reverend Conehead said:
It looked like failing to convert those two early 4th downs really hurt. It felt like the wind being taken out of the sails. Do you guys think this was a huge deal, or was it more of a problem of lack of participation.
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what about the rest of the 50mins the offense scored

ZERO..

really ptsd for not getting 4th and 1s? the first one was too long for FG would have punted and the second was trying to make up for the first being aggressive, theyve done it ALL YEAR early in games, you not watching or in denial the team flat sucked and that it total team loss..

you aren't wining games when your offense scores zero points....no matter how good your defense and sat are, not happening .,,.this was giant turd flush it move on..

sorry it didn't effect the total game..
 
The first one every single coach in the NFL goes for it.
The 2nd one 60% of coaches go for it. And the play was wide open.
Neither would be considered a poor decision in today's NFL.
You guys pick on the wrong things. Team sucked. Those things were reflective of how we sucked, they didn't cause us to suck the rest of the game. We weren't ready to play and we're off, so we didn't make 4th downs we usually would. Not the other way around.
 
I didn’t mind the first one. The second one they should have tried to kick a FG. At some point you gotta put points on the board; not everything results in a TD.

As others have noted, we’ve been really bad converting short yardage. That’s been the main problem.
 
goshan said:
The first one every single coach in the NFL goes for it.
The 2nd one 60% of coaches go for it. And the play was wide open.
Neither would be considered a poor decision in today's NFL.
You guys pick on the wrong things. Team sucked. Those things were reflective of how we sucked, they didn't cause us to suck the rest of the game. We weren't ready to play and we're off, so we didn't make 4th downs we usually would. Not the other way around.
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:hammer:
 
The second time felt a little like trying to prove the first time was a fluke, doubling down on a middling deal. But as has been pointed out, if the play call was there (but the players blew the execution) can we really call it a bad call?
 
Sucked that we didn't execute. If we had it would have been a smart decision. Maybe they felt that the probability of picking up the first was equal to or greater than kicking the FG. Seems like they don't have a lot of faith in GZ, or they placed too much in their offense and/or their defense to step up and get the first or shut Denver down if they didn't. Either way I don't have a huge problem with gambling early in games.
 
nate dizzle said:
Sucked that we didn't execute. If we had it would have been a smart decision. Maybe they felt that the probability of picking up the first was equal to or greater than kicking the FG. Seems like they don't have a lot of faith in GZ, or they placed too much in their offense and/or their defense to step up and get the first or shut Denver down if they didn't. Either way I don't have a huge problem with gambling early in games.
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They seemed really flat after that. It makes me wonder if they prepared well for the Broncos. I watched the previous Broncos game, the one against Washington. Denver did not look like a pushover team by any means. They looked like a good team that the Cowboys would have to prepare for well. I even posted about that. Of course, I don't actually spend time with the Dallas Cowboys, so I don't know. It could be that they gave it a great effort preparing for the Broncos. From their play on the field, it just doesn't appear that way. Maybe they prepared, but it just wasn't their day. Or maybe they started to believe the hype about how great they supposedly were, and they let that affect them. We don't have any way of knowing for sure. But they didn't look like the same team. It looked like a flashback to previous bad seasons.
 
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