NYDN.com, NY's Super Bowl Run in 2007 was a fluke

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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/12/28/2009-12-28_smith_giants.html

Lawrence Taylor was part of the halftime ceremonies for the Giants' last game at Giants Stadium Sunday, and then he left, so at least his last memory of the place was a good one.

And with the Giants already down by 24, a lot of the Giants' fans followed the Hall of Famer out. Those who stayed bore witness to one of the worst defeats Big Blue ever suffered at the stadium, a 41-9 pounding by the Panthers that slammed the door shut on the Giants' playoff hopes.

Harry Carson, LT's former teammate and fellow Hall of Famer, stuck it out with the diehards. And the man who, along with Jim Burt, helped pioneer the Gatorade bath, wasn't about to shower the current Giants with praise after their collapse from a 5-0 start to this season.

"I'm not saying that they don't have pride, but I don't see where the pride is coming from," Carson said. "Wellington Mara always said, 'Once a Giant, always a Giant.' And guys who have played here have a certain sense of pride that we have to adhere to. I don't necessarily see that same pride amongst the guys who are here now."

Panthers running back Jonathan Stewart looked like the second coming of Jim Brown as he ripped through the Giants' defense for 206 yards and a touchdown on 28 carries. It was the first time the Giants had allowed a 200-yard rusher at Giants Stadium, and the first time they had given up 200 to any running back since the Bills' Terry Miller ran for 208 and two scores in a 41-17 rout in 1978. Panthers quarterback Matt Moore, in for the injured Jake Delhomme, completed 15 of 20 passes for 171 yards, three touchdowns and no interceptions.

"I'm not sure if it was tackling or just the attitude," said Carolina linebacker Na'il Diggs. "Maybe they got a little complacent with the win last week in Washington. Who knows? But it comes down to tackling and getting turnovers on the defense. Fundamental football is what games come down to."

When you get down to it, football is basically blocking and tackling. The Giants could do neither yesterday.

"We have one more game to go and we have to regain some kind of respect for the way the game is to be played," Tom Coughlin said. "We have a week to get that accomplished."

As they were packing up to leave Giants Stadium for the last time, the Big Blue players were like the zombies in "Night of the Living Dead" as far as their playoff hopes were concerned. Still walking around, at least before the Cowboys shut out the Commanders last night, but without any real signs of life.

You can pick your adjective for how awful the Giants were, particularly considering what was at stake and the fact that they were closing out Giants Stadium. Pathetic, sickening, disgusting, dreadful were a few that came to mind. But as they were flopping around on the field trying to score and trying to stop Carolina from scoring, mainly it showed a lack of heart by a team that just two years ago went on a fantastic late-season run to win the Super Bowl.

You can now officially declare that a fluke. It also is the clearest indication yet in this roller-coaster season that the players aren't listening to Coughlin and aren't playing hard for him anymore.

Because of the up and down nature of the team this year, Coughlin was asked whether he has trouble reading it.

"I'm not going to answer that one," Coughlin said.

Coughlin said he showed his players a graph on Saturday pointing out a tendency to play poorly after a good performance.

They were coming off a brilliant game against the Commanders on Monday night where they put all three phases together and pounded Washington, sparking so much enthusiasm and renewed vigor as they embarked on what they hoped was a push toward the playoffs. So they were actually playing to form against the Panthers yesterday.

It was closer to the team that visited Denver on Thanksgiving night and played with such a lack of fire that you could have sworn they were sleepwalking during the 26-6 loss.

On that night they had a chance to move into the NFC East lead. The players had the same zombie-like response that night, too. You wanted to chalk it up to too much Thanksgiving turkey. Now we know it's a lack of pride and heart.

"I think we're all saddened by that performance," said center Shaun O'Hara. "To have it happen on a day like today, which really was more than about one game, it was about history and respect, about the entire organization. ... As players we really let everyone down."



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And it starts to creep into the minds of NY and NJ residents, what the rest of the football world already knew. The planets only line up like that once every 176 years.
 

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really, no kidding.

there 0-3 record in the other 3 playoff appearances tells us that.
 

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From JFE's December 13th blog...

http://startelegramsports.typepad.c...-truths-theyre-in-a-december-deep-freeze.html

6. If NYG coach Tom Coughlin were coaching here, there would not be a December problem.

The Football Night in America guys were gushing on him Sunday, talking about how he benched longtime starters and how he has been pushing any and all buttons trying to keep his team alive.

I do not know if the Giants are any good but they do not quit.

They just keep fighting through all kinds of crazy adversity and finding ways to reassert themselves into playoff talk. They take on the personality of their coach who is not afraid to make enemies, yell and bench underachievers.

BTW, did anybody who saw Philly-Giants think the Cowboys beat the Eagles on Jan. 3? Or either of them in the playoffs?


I hate the sports media in Dallas, Texas.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3183411 said:
Fluke or not, it got them a Lombardi.

I'll take a "fluke" Lombardi any day

Well, it cost them $100,000,000 for a QB who has a losing record post-Placcident. And then they went out and picked up a bunch of hot shot free agents that were supposed to get them back to the playoffs. NY has morphed into Commanders 2.0.

Fluke Lombardis do include strike seasons, so you've got one already.
 

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The team isnt as good cause of lots of defensive injuries this season, plus, they still have yet to find a Strahan type leader on that defense...both how he played and his vocal leadership.

Offensively, their WRs drop far too many passes. Bradshaw is playing with bad wheels. Jacobs is average at best. They should have kept Ward.

They won cause of addition by subraction.....no more Tiki, cause he retired before that season and Shockey didn't see the field during that run...both were bad in the huddle and really hurt Eli's ability to be successful. They won cause they took advantage of the mistakes of their opponents. They won cause they were great on the road. They won cause they road momentum to the title. They won cause they were the recipients of some luck and good fortune. They won cause Eli played mistake free ball. They won cause Eli and Coughlin were fighting for their football lives that season. There are so many reasons why they won.

When you win 11 straight road games (SB included).......I will not call it a fluke.

A fluke was Villanova beating Georgetown, NCSt beating Houston, Boston College beating Miami, The Bills storming back to beat the Oilers....etc.
 

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Biggems;3183458 said:
The team isnt as good cause of lots of defensive injuries this season, plus, they still have yet to find a Strahan type leader on that defense...both how he played and his vocal leadership.

Offensively, their WRs drop far too many passes. Bradshaw is playing with bad wheels. Jacobs is average at best. They should have kept Ward.

They won cause of addition by subraction.....no more Tiki, cause he retired before that season and Shockey didn't see the field during that run...both were bad in the huddle and really hurt Eli's ability to be successful. They won cause they took advantage of the mistakes of their opponents. They won cause they were great on the road. They won cause they road momentum to the title. They won cause they were the recipients of some luck and good fortune. They won cause Eli played mistake free ball. They won cause Eli and Coughlin were fighting for their football lives that season. There are so many reasons why they won.

When you win 11 straight road games (SB included).......I will not call it a fluke.

A fluke was Villanova beating Georgetown, NCSt beating Houston, Boston College beating Miami, The Bills storming back to beat the Oilers....etc.

Fluke is throwing up a prayer pass while there are two if not three obvious holding calls staring the ref's in the face and have the pass completed against a helmet.

Fluke is having an interception hit Asante Sameuls in the hands that would seal the game and have him drop it.

Fluke is having a perfect jump on a snap and get flagged for offsides so the offense gets a fresh set of downs instead of punting, on one of their three scoring drives.

Fluke is Brett Favrerere throwing a pass to your defensive back with no receiver within 8-10 yards.

This topic has been discussed ad nauseum. There are plenty more examples of fortune favoring the Giants in that run, and favoring them often.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3183470 said:
Fluke is throwing up a prayer pass while there are two if not three obvious holding calls staring the ref's in the face and have the pass completed against a helmet.

Fluke is having an interception hit Asante Sameuls in the hands that would seal the game and have him drop it.

Fluke is having a perfect jump on a snap and get flagged for offsides so the offense gets a fresh set of downs instead of punting, on one of their three scoring drives.

Fluke is Brett Favrerere throwing a pass to your defensive back with no receiver within 8-10 yards.

This topic has been discussed ad nauseum. There are plenty more examples of fortune favoring the Giants in that run, and favoring them often.


So what do you want them to do, give it back? :laugh2:

You never apologize for winning the Superbowl and having to beat 3, or in the Giants case 4 teams to do it.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3183470 said:
Fluke is throwing up a prayer pass while there are two if not three obvious holding calls staring the ref's in the face and have the pass completed against a helmet.

Fluke is having an interception hit Asante Sameuls in the hands that would seal the game and have him drop it.

Fluke is having a perfect jump on a snap and get flagged for offsides so the offense gets a fresh set of downs instead of punting, on one of their three scoring drives.

Fluke is Brett Favrerere throwing a pass to your defensive back with no receiver within 8-10 yards.

This topic has been discussed ad nauseum. There are plenty more examples of fortune favoring the Giants in that run, and favoring them often.

Fluke is Larry Brown being Super Bowl MVP. Should Dallas give their title back?
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3183411 said:
Fluke or not, it got them a Lombardi.

I'll take a "fluke" Lombardi any day

Awesome. Maybe you guys will get another strike-shortened season and you'll have your chance. Hail, Sk*ns!
 

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jimmy40;3183510 said:
Fluke is Larry Brown being Super Bowl MVP. Should Dallas give their title back?

Fluke is Pitt making it to the SB with Neil O'Donnell :laugh2:
 

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Idgit;3183701 said:
Awesome. Maybe you guys will get another strike-shortened season and you'll have your chance. Hail, Sk*ns!

And maybe we'll kick your ***** in the NFC title game on the way to said Superbowl. Or have our scabs beat your regulars?

AWESOME!
 

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SaltwaterServr;3183583 said:
For naming Larry Brown the MVP? :laugh1:
For O'Donnell giving the Boys a title, but you knew that.
 

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I would not call what the Giants did a fluke. After all they played 3 road games and beat an undefeated Pats team to win the SB. I think the G-men got on a hot streak at the right time and played good solid football. I think losing a couple of key people over the last 2 years has hurt them namely Burress and even more so Strahan who I think was the emotional leader of that team.
 

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Skin;3183407 said:
From JFE's December 13th blog...

http://startelegramsports.typepad.c...-truths-theyre-in-a-december-deep-freeze.html

6. If NYG coach Tom Coughlin were coaching here, there would not be a December problem.

The Football Night in America guys were gushing on him Sunday, talking about how he benched longtime starters and how he has been pushing any and all buttons trying to keep his team alive.

I do not know if the Giants are any good but they do not quit.

They just keep fighting through all kinds of crazy adversity and finding ways to reassert themselves into playoff talk. They take on the personality of their coach who is not afraid to make enemies, yell and bench underachievers.

BTW, did anybody who saw Philly-Giants think the Cowboys beat the Eagles on Jan. 3? Or either of them in the playoffs?

:bow: :laugh2: :bow:
 

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Doomsday101;3184275 said:
I would not call what the Giants did a fluke. After all they played 3 road games and beat an undefeated Pats team to win the SB. I think the G-men got on a hot streak at the right time and played good solid football. I think losing a couple of key people over the last 2 years has hurt them namely Burress and even more so Strahan who I think was the emotional leader of that team.

I agree. They are a good team that got on a great streak. There were some that wanted to make it out as if the Giants were a great team. That is not the case. They aren't a bad team, either. It is not a fluke, but it did take everything falling just right for them to win it all.

Great teams put themselves in a good position to win it all year in and year out no matter if they lose a player or two along the way. They may not win a SB every year, but they are at least in contention. The Giants on the other hand are not that type of great team. They will miss the playoffs one year and then go one and done the next. Dallas has been similar the last few years without having that great run, yet. In fact a lot of teams have been similar to the Giants.
 

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Beating 2 13-3 teams on the road and a 16-0 team in the SB ain't no fluke. They got hot at the right time more and more we're seeing that in the NFL now the Cards almost won a SB the same way
 

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joseephuss;3184419 said:
I agree. They are a good team that got on a great streak. There were some that wanted to make it out as if the Giants were a great team. That is not the case. They aren't a bad team, either. It is not a fluke, but it did take everything falling just right for them to win it all.

Great teams put themselves in a good position to win it all year in and year out no matter if they lose a player or two along the way. They may not win a SB every year, but they are at least in contention. The Giants on the other hand are not that type of great team. They will miss the playoffs one year and then go one and done the next. Dallas has been similar the last few years without having that great run, yet. In fact a lot of teams have been similar to the Giants.

I agree. When they won the SB I did not think they were the best team in the NFL they were the best time at the right time. I do think losing certain key players can have a major effect on any team. Colts will be a great team for a while then like many others as the star players leave like Manning they could find themselfs back where they were before the arrival of Manning. After all you don't find a QB like that very often.
 
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