Obvious Conclusions

[goshan]

After today and FA, lets be open about what we know about Jones and Parcells:

1. Burnett is not being counted on. And I don't think its because of his injury -- so quit making excuses -- players come back from that. He did not impress the coaches last year despite how excited we were about him after the draft. Signing a top 5 FA LB and spending our 1st pick on Capenter tells me Burnett is a strong Bust suspect by the coaches and management.

2. Parcells is Parcells. Signing a tough, Italian tight-end that reminds you of Mark Bavaro. Are we really surprised here? Parcells loves TEs. He loves Italians. He loved Mark Bavaro. He loves Weiss.

3. Jones and Parcells are betting the come on the O-line. I don't agree with it and I think it is clearly the weakest link on the team. But Jones and Parcells are hoping and betting that last years investments (Rivera) and this years limited FA moves will dress up the Oline enough. They are also betting on the development of younger players like Gurode, Johnson and Pettitti. I think it will bite them in the end but they are determined to stick to their guns here.

4. They continue to think FS isn't that important a position. Despite the chagrin of the fans, they just don't think FS is that important a position. They are willing to go with journeyman and play it cheap. BTW-I am ok with them here -- the oline is what I am worried about.

 

[ejthedj]

i agree -- more worried about depth -- oline 1st, dt 2nd, s 3rd

 

[Eddie]

1. I agree. I think Burnett is done. Call it bad luck. But a bust is a bust.

2. Would have been better if he took the BEST TE available instead of the Best Italian TE available.

3. The OL is going to cost us another season. Same old story for the past 10 years.

4. I don't think we've given up on FS. Top tier FS's are frequently found on day 2 of the draft. It's not an impact position.

 

[Bryan8284]

We have Colemans for FS, it's not an immediate need where we feel like there is a target down field without it. We don't have to be pressured for it yet.

Burnett, give him another year or two, remember what worked for Bradie James when he seemed to bust.

OL, still guys out there and Parcells always can find one player out there.

 

[Eddie]

Burnett, give him another year or two, remember what worked for Bradie James when he seemed to bust.

James was a 4th rounder, and not sitting on $1+ million a year against our cap.

If Burnett can't get it together this year, he's gone.

 

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

3. The OL is going to cost us another season. Same old story for the past 10 years.

4. I don't think we've given up on FS. Top tier FS's are frequently found on day 2 of the draft. It's not an impact position.

3. I agree with.

4. What are you nuts? The lack of a good FS cost us both skinz games. Jerry is out of touch thinking FS's aren't worth a decent pick the same way he used to think LBers are a dime a dozen and shouldn't be paid the going rate to keep a good one. Pssbttzz

Drafting a blocking TE instead of a decent line animal was silly to me. I don't know what they were thinking. Clearly not how what we have will score TDs the last third of the season.

 

[Eddie]

4. What are you nuts? The lack of a good FS cost us both skinz games. Jerry is out of touch thinking FS's aren't worth a decent pick the same way he used to think LBers are a dime a dozen and shouldn't be paid the going rate to keep a good one. Pssbttzz

Drafting a blocking TE instead of a decent line animal was silly to me. I don't know what they were thinking. Clearly not how what we have will score TDs the last third of the season.

True, a quality FS cost us the FIRST Skins game. But quality FS's can be found tomorrow.

The OL issue still have me befuddled. I don't have the answer, but not addressing it doesn't seem the right approach either.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Wow you guys, I don't see it like that at all......why jump to negative conclusions? The first two guys we took impact the roster immediatly.

#1 Bill said he collects LBs. Carpenter is added to Ayodele, Burnett, Ware, Shanley, Boiman, the numbers here have improved tremendously. Depth at 3/4 LB is a must in the 3/4!

Jerry said we are going to a two TE set. Fasano is durable and can block, most of all, just like Carpenter he will contribute as soon as he steps on the field.

Oline will come tomorrow, this is a very deep draft along the line.

FS is still deep on the board with Ko Simpson and Pat Watkins still available it should be adressed in the 4th round with a quality pick.

 

[Eddie]

Jerry said we are going to a two TE set. Fasano is durable and can block, most of all, just like Carpenter he will contribute as soon as he steps on the field.

No, one of Fasano's faults is his inability to block.

We didn't draft him to block. He's mainly a pass catcher.

 

[Natedawg44]

You forgot he's an Italian TE from NEW JERSEY. I'm shocked we didn't take him at 18.

 

[Vertigo_17]

1) yes, go ahead an waive Burnett after an injured rookie season. the is no way he will ever play again . give the guy at least 2 seasons if not 3 before writing him off.
2) agree. TE is not a need, but this is not a bad pick either
3) agree. thought we'd go OL on the first day
4) FS is not that big of a concern with Davis, Coleman, and Pile. Coleman is a vet and understands coverage, Davis is solid on obvious running downs, and Pile is better in coverage. Also, have chance tomorrow and this summer to improve at this position

 

[btcutter]

If the 1st sack of the season come from our RT, I will declare this draft a complete waste and Parcells have lost it completely.

I like Carpenter and think both he and Fasano will actually see alot of action when the season rolls around. However, ignoring OL in the 3rd is inexcusable!!!!!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think they were trying to be too cute and get extra picks thinking some of the people they liked on O-Line would still be there.

I think they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar when it comes to the O-Line.

Now I could be wrong there but I think that was what happened.

However Jerry did say prior to the draft that we would probably take Two players on D and one on O on the first day.

He also said they had plans on getting a TE in order to run the Two TE set and when Bill talked with Fasano on the phone he said get ready to play and you won't be just sitting and watching.

Someone, not sure if was bill, jj or someone else, that they felt the TE position was strong in the second.

I really liked Fasano at TE, just did not want to take TE at this spot.
However if they truly did plan on making a Two TE set as a base offense, and not just saying that now, I think they got a good. I guess it all boils down to IF, and this is a big IF, he can stay healthy and is over his injury concerns.

We know he should have similar skills and knowledge of what we want to do due to playing with Weiss. I would not doubt that bill spoke with weiss about the player as well.

Now the last pick of the first day. Have to admit that was a head scratcher to me. I am not sure if they do not believe Ellis will be here or maybe one of the others is not going to work out. Not sure how they plan on using him.

I am not sure he really was the BPA at the point. Like I said a true head scratcher. At least with Fasano I knew it was a quality player I have seen.

Will this one pan out? Did we get our hand caught in the cookie jar trying to be too cute? We will get an OT or OG tomorrow? Will we get a FS tomorrow?


At this point I have to say this draft so far is a C at best. Still love the Carpenter pick. Love Fasano but not sure about US taking him and that last pick is a head scratcher.

I do know we were going into the second day with 3 picks and we doubled that.

I am hoping we use some of those 6th and 7th picks to move up IF a good player falls.

Overall I have to admit I was not thrilled past the first pick.

 

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

OK, Carpenter can throw the long passes to Ayodele and Burnett, Ware, Shanley and Boiman can fill in at OG and OT for us. The first three FSs taken were the cream of the crop. Dallas has now gone through 8 drafts with out taking an offensive player in the first. In Tom Laundry's last year we got Michael in th first. After that Jimmy took 2 QBs and a RB that took us to the SB. We had the basis of an offence. JJ and Bill are pluging in retreads and trying to get us competitive in one year. Hasn't happened so far and I don't see it this year because we will still have trouble scoring.

 

[DLCassidy]

After today and FA, lets be open about what we know about Jones and Parcells:

1. Burnett is not being counted on. And I don't think its because of his injury -- so quit making excuses -- players come back from that. He did not impress the coaches last year despite how excited we were about him after the draft. Signing a top 5 FA LB and spending our 1st pick on Capenter tells me Burnett is a strong Bust suspect by the coaches and management.

He's not being counted on this year because he's coming off an acl tear and has had 3 surgeries in a year. If we were counting on him it would be reckless on our part. He still may help us in the future, noone can say for sure yet.

2. Parcells is Parcells. Signing a tough, Italian tight-end that reminds you of Mark Bavaro. Are we really surprised here? Parcells loves TEs. He loves Italians. He loved Mark Bavaro. He loves Weiss.

He loves TE's that can block. BP had Marv Cook in NE who made the Pro Bowl based on his receiving abilities but that didn't stop BP from drafting Ben Coates and then trading Cook when it became apparent Coates was the goods. This whole "two TE offense" spin strikes me as smoke. You don't draft a TE in the 2nd as a backup, especially when your OL depth is weak and Eric Winston is staring you in the face at pick 53. Witten may not be as secure here long term as we all assumed.
And BTW, BP doesn't love Weiss and Weiss doesn't love him. He took away Weiss' play calling duties when he was with the Jets and Weiss testified against Parcells in the whole BB taking/turning down the Jets HC'ing job fiasco.

3. Jones and Parcells are betting the come on the O-line. I don't agree with it and I think it is clearly the weakest link on the team. But Jones and Parcells are hoping and betting that last years investments (Rivera) and this years limited FA moves will dress up the Oline enough. They are also betting on the development of younger players like Gurode, Johnson and Pettitti. I think it will bite them in the end but they are determined to stick to their guns here.

Maybe so. But I think they think they can draft projects this year late on OL and get by with their starters. Think of guys like Joe Toledo at OT and Adam Stenavich or Kevin Boothe at OG.

4. They continue to think FS isn't that important a position. Despite the chagrin of the fans, they just don't think FS is that important a position. They are willing to go with journeyman and play it cheap. BTW-I am ok with them here -- the oline is what I am worried about.

They think they can get a year out of Coleman, which is feasible. I think they will draft a FS. Maybe Antoine Bethea at the end of the 4th. I'd be ok with that.

 

[Eddie]

If we can find the next pre-accident Erik Williams in the 4th round again ... I'll be a happy camper.

 

[JackMagist]

As for that TE; I guess we just had to draft our annual 2nd round bust. I don't know how he can be called durable when his back is screwed together with a metal plate and the doctors said he was too big a risk to take any earlier than the 3rd round. Oh well, I've come to recognize that our second round picks just can't be counted on so why should this year be any different.

As for Hatcher; I think this was a good pick though he seems pretty raw and will need development. He will give us rotation depth behind Spears, Canty and Ellis this year and can be developed for the future as well. We will need that because I don't think Ellis sticks around more than one more year.

With Coleman here the FS is not the urgent need it was a couple of weeks ago but it still needs to be addressed. I don't know if Coleman will make it all season as old as he is and we need to get a young guy to play behind him to be ready to step in next year if not during the season this year. We should be able to pick up a raw talent on day two...maybe the 4th round.

I agree we need to stock up on the OL. We have a row of starters...not an impressive row but still we have them. But we have no depth except for Pettiti and Gurode and that has to change; maybe we will find a couple of gems in the late rounds. We seem to get better production out of the 7th round than the 2nd.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

No, one of Fasano's faults is his inability to block.

We didn't draft him to block. He's mainly a pass catcher.

Yeh he is an excellent pass catcher but he's also a very good blocker, one of the best in the entire draft. The most complete TE outside of Vernon Davis.

 

[Natedawg44]

and we also drafted him so Parcells will have someone to talk to. He shall call him Mini-Me.

 

[Chuck 54]

Yeh he is an excellent pass catcher but he's also a very good blocker, one of the best in the entire draft. The most complete TE outside of Vernon Davis.

What draft reports are you reading? Vernon Davis is also a suspect blocker...everything I read online and in draft reports had Davis and our guy as needing to improve their blocking.