Offensive Creativity

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After watching the outstanding series “All or Nothing”, I was struck by how much our coaching staff seemed to stick with the same offensive tendencies whether they continued to work or not. Garrett is often seen repeating the mantra “We just need to fight harder” when the team has a bad game. “Fight” is a great slogan, but in the NFL, fighting hard is not enough. You have to sometimes have some new wrinkles.

If fact what this team desperately needs from its coaching staff going into 2018 is creativity, especially on offense. I know it’s popular on these boards for fans to scream, “Just run the ball”, as if all we need to do for 60 straight plays is hand it to Zeke. The NFL is never that simple.

Looking back on the 2017 season, it was a tale of two seasons on offense. In the first 8 games of the season, we went 5-3 (should have been 6-2 or 7-1), averaged 28 points a game, which was 5th in the NFL, averaged 379 yds a game (8th in NFL). In the last 8 games, we averaged 16 points a game (28th in NFL) and 293 yds a game (26th).

First half of the season, we had Zeke and Tyron Smith, the last half we had Zeke for 2 games and Tyron for 3 and a half. Sure that hurt, but is this team going to fold anytime key starters are hurt? Is that just the way it’s going to be? We have to depend on injury good luck to remain a good offense?

Somehow Doug Pederson was able to get the beagles offense continue to hum all the way to a SB without its star QB and it’s starting LT. How? Through creativity and some risk taking in key moments.

When Nick Foles started the playoffs, conventional wisdom was that the beagles were toast and that Pederson would just have a few basic plays for Foles to run as a bus driver. Instead, we saw that offense roll out some unusual plays and creative formations that threw DCs into head scratching fits. All based on finding creative ways to make the offense less predictable and more edgy.

It’s no secret the Cowboys coaching staff likes these formations best:
1. “12 Personnel”- 1 RB, 2 TEs and 2 WRs. They run this formation over 50% of the time, regardless of opponent, regardless of who’s playing for us.
2. “11 Personnel” - 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WRs- second most common formation, most often used for passing situations. The RB can be used as a slot receiver in an empty set.
3. “22 Personnel”- 2 RBs, 2 TEs, 1 WR- a common formation for short yardage and goal line situations.

These are not the only formations of course, but my point is, the Cowboys are actually pretty predictable on offense. I don’t care how great your OL and skill people are, in 2018 NFL world you cannot just run the same stuff a la the 90s Cowboys. Those days are long gone.

With the addition of Tavon Austin and the new “committee” approach at WR, the Cowboys can be much less predictable by spreading the ball around between more options, and getting more creative with Zeke as well. Just asking your players to “fight harder” isn’t enough.

Thoughts?
 

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You summed it open our offense is bland and not in the least bit creative. So results will most like be the same.
 

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After watching the outstanding series “All or Nothing”, I was struck by how much our coaching staff seemed to stick with the same offensive tendencies whether they continued to work or not. Garrett is often seen repeating the mantra “We just need to fight harder” when the team has a bad game. “Fight” is a great slogan, but in the NFL, fighting hard is not enough. You have to sometimes have some new wrinkles.

If fact what this team desperately needs from its coaching staff going into 2018 is creativity, especially on offense. I know it’s popular on these boards for fans to scream, “Just run the ball”, as if all we need to do for 60 straight plays is hand it to Zeke. The NFL is never that simple.

Looking back on the 2017 season, it was a tale of two seasons on offense. In the first 8 games of the season, we went 5-3 (should have been 6-2 or 7-1), averaged 28 points a game, which was 5th in the NFL, averaged 379 yds a game (8th in NFL). In the last 8 games, we averaged 16 points a game (28th in NFL) and 293 yds a game (26th).

First half of the season, we had Zeke and Tyron Smith, the last half we had Zeke for 2 games and Tyron for 3 and a half. Sure that hurt, but is this team going to fold anytime key starters are hurt? Is that just the way it’s going to be? We have to depend on injury good luck to remain a good offense?

Somehow Doug Pederson was able to get the beagles offense continue to hum all the way to a SB without its star QB and it’s starting LT. How? Through creativity and some risk taking in key moments.

When Nick Foles started the playoffs, conventional wisdom was that the beagles were toast and that Pederson would just have a few basic plays for Foles to run as a bus driver. Instead, we saw that offense roll out some unusual plays and creative formations that threw DCs into head scratching fits. All based on finding creative ways to make the offense less predictable and more edgy.

It’s no secret the Cowboys coaching staff likes these formations best:
1. “12 Personnel”- 1 RB, 2 TEs and 2 WRs. They run this formation over 50% of the time, regardless of opponent, regardless of who’s playing for us.
2. “11 Personnel” - 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WRs- second most common formation, most often used for passing situations. The RB can be used as a slot receiver in an empty set.
3. “22 Personnel”- 2 RBs, 2 TEs, 1 WR- a common formation for short yardage and goal line situations.

These are not the only formations of course, but my point is, the Cowboys are actually pretty predictable on offense. I don’t care how great your OL and skill people are, in 2018 NFL world you cannot just run the same stuff a la the 90s Cowboys. Those days are long gone.

With the addition of Tavon Austin and the new “committee” approach at WR, the Cowboys can be much less predictable by spreading the ball around between more options, and getting more creative with Zeke as well. Just asking your players to “fight harder” isn’t enough.

Thoughts?
Careful now, if you go around pointing out factual problems with this team and the way its ran you are likely to be deemed a cancer. You are correct though, they have to be more creative. Just changing the players out will not make them any less predictable or one dimentional.
 

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I remember Ray Lewis barking out exactly what we were doing and he was right!
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LOL...one big creative play in the Super Bowl (that NE tried as well) and now the Eagles were giving DCs fits? They should not have even made it past Atlanta...Falcons blew that game big time. I agree the Dallas needs more creativity but let's not go overboard on Philly being the pinnacle of creative excellence here. That being said I believe (hope) that the huge change in offensive players means our approach changes as well.
 

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It truly has become an entertainment industry. We as fans can't get our heads around that. We still want a dominant team on the field, but find ourselves watching 32 average teams play a game that we as fans want to be in or at least call the plays. The game is so stripped of its brutal
side that a lot of players get hurt in non contact events. Soft is and soft does. Coaches , owners, players.... all getting softer. Yes faster than ever but still softer.
 

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Garrett cannot stop trying to bring back the type of team that had huge success in the 90's. That team was able to stockpile talented depth which negated injuries. That team won games one way, they outplayed their opponents using sheer talent and execution. They did not try to out-plan you or try to fool you. They said "Here we are, here's what we are doing, try and stop us" Great plan back then, horrible plan in today's NFL unless you can stockpile talent and stay healthy over the long haul. That game plan back then lacked creativity for the most part because it was not required.

Today's NFL requires not only creativity, but also the ability to change things on the fly. Both these traits are lacking in Garrett and his coaching staff.
 

Melonfeud

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Copy that!,,,BULLEIT BOBBY !the worlds' fastest HUMAN & original #22:starspin:

*that's the inherent weakness of our assault,,, it's dictated: to do or die,never laying down that internal support of Preparatory naval guns in support of a combined combat action for contingent counter actions,,, it's basically foot propelled frickin' sandbags out there on the battlefield with blue stars on their helmets,,,:lmao:

* I apologize fer' not throwing in that " swing with the wing" close air support, prolly cuz' under our current field command we'd be fried crispy in our own napalm run called in support missionso_O


**damn good thought provoking thread ,,,bullet-bob:thumbup:
 

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i would be happy if we lost a couple of games next year but tried a ton of new exciting plays....if they don't work so be it, but i want to see a shift in the approach....
 

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Garrett cannot stop trying to bring back the type of team that had huge success in the 90's. That team was able to stockpile talented depth which negated injuries. That team won games one way, they outplayed their opponents using sheer talent and execution. They did not try to out-plan you or try to fool you. They said "Here we are, here's what we are doing, try and stop us" Great plan back then, horrible plan in today's NFL unless you can stockpile talent and stay healthy over the long haul. That game plan back then lacked creativity for the most part because it was not required.

Today's NFL requires not only creativity, but also the ability to change things on the fly. Both these traits are lacking in Garrett and his coaching staff.
You hit the nail on the head!
 

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LOL...one big creative play in the Super Bowl (that NE tried as well) and now the Eagles were giving DCs fits? They should not have even made it past Atlanta...Falcons blew that game big time. I agree the Dallas needs more creativity but let's not go overboard on Philly being the pinnacle of creative excellence here. That being said I believe (hope) that the huge change in offensive players means our approach changes as well.
I think the key word is “hope”. We can certainly hope Garrett and the offensive coaches show some more creativity than just “fight”.
 

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Garrett cannot stop trying to bring back the type of team that had huge success in the 90's. That team was able to stockpile talented depth which negated injuries. That team won games one way, they outplayed their opponents using sheer talent and execution. They did not try to out-plan you or try to fool you. They said "Here we are, here's what we are doing, try and stop us" Great plan back then, horrible plan in today's NFL unless you can stockpile talent and stay healthy over the long haul. That game plan back then lacked creativity for the most part because it was not required.

Today's NFL requires not only creativity, but also the ability to change things on the fly. Both these traits are lacking in Garrett and his coaching staff.
Well said truth.
 

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Looking back on the 2017 season, it was a tale of two seasons on offense. In the first 8 games of the season, we went 5-3 (should have been 6-2 or 7-1), averaged 28 points a game, which was 5th in the NFL, averaged 379 yds a game (8th in NFL). In the last 8 games, we averaged 16 points a game (28th in NFL) and 293 yds a game (26th).

First half of the season, we had Zeke and Tyron Smith, the last half we had Zeke for 2 games and Tyron for 3 and a half. Sure that hurt, but is this team going to fold anytime key starters are hurt? Is that just the way it’s going to be? We have to depend on injury good luck to remain a good offense?

I think that you're overthinking things. The Cowboys were 9-1 in games that Sean Lee started and finished last year and 0-6 in games that he didn't. Let that sink in for a minute. Yes, I know, injuries happen - but the Cowboys' lack of depth at the linebacker position was a KILLER last year. Same thing with the Zeke suspension and Tyron Smith injury.

Remember that they went 13-3 with the same scheme in 2016.
 

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I don't see Garrett implementing the 90s offense at all. He has a golden opportunity to use Zeke like they did Emmitt, but he doesn't. And I don't recall too many empty backfield sets back then either? These coaches are not very creative at all. Philly will run on 3rd and 8, the Cowboys will go empty backfield and throw a 4 yard pass. They play afraid and never deviate from that. If the opposing D lines up in a certain formation, the Cowboys counter with the exact same thing they always do in that scenario.. never really mixing it up. I think it's very easy for defenses who watch film to defend this offense or at least know exactly what's coming.
 

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What gets me is that Scott Linehan can be very creative when it comes to ganeplanning. When he came over in 2014, everyone's thought was "oh God, they guy who forced it to Megatron, we're going pass happy", before he engineered a shockingly run-heavy attack that's become this team's identity for the last four years. Romo gets hurt in 2016, and in a month he implemented a college style passing game that played to Dak's strengths.

But then on game days, we just trot out the same old plays whether they're working or not. The creativity is just gone.
 
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