Offensive Guard Mock Draft

[visionary]

If it's your call, where do you put this year's resource?



And your .02 is always welcomed.

I'll give you my own thought process behind this:

• This team has a gaping hole at left guard and this could undermine the group that they rely on as their biggest strength.
• At pick #19, if they drafted a guard there, the money isn't huge.
• By the time they'd have to give the rookie his big deal, it's 6 years down the road. By that time, Smith or Fredrick are either being paid less or gone, so that money can be reallocated.
• If the team takes a guard in round one, that guy is starting immediately immediate return on investment And that will be a guy that will be playing every offensive snap. Teams will have to deal with him. I don't think that there's another position that would be certain to play as much.

Valid points but we need to spread this out
I'd rather take DL or LB in rd 1

 

[phildadon86]

I remember trying to sell us going linebacker in the 1st last season instead of DE. Everyone shot me down said linebacker was not a need. My oh my, what a year does for ya.. Coulda had one knocked out already. That's my same ol sad story every year though...lol

Gets awfully agitating

Your avatar is making me nauseous

 

[jujoboys]

Ok, but who's your starting left guard as of today?

Personally, I think we are going to go DT or LBer in the 1st round and look at guard in the 2nd round. Of course, this all changes if we cut Dez prior to the draft.

 

[Stash]

Valid points but we need to spread this out
I'd rather take DL or LB in rd 1

If Vea is there? Sure, sign me up. He'd help to turn a so-so defensive line into a force overnight.

But he's the only one I think that's worth it at #19, even Payne is a small step down for me, and nobody else is a consideration there at 1-tech.

As for linebacker, how much is the guy playing? How much base defense is this team running? And how many snaps is any rookie taken in the first round playing?

Are you pulling your Pro Bowl linebacker off the field?

Are you sitting the 34th pick in the 2016 draft?

Either way, looks like an awful return on a draft investment.

 

[Sydla]

If it's your call, where do you put this year's resource?



And your .02 is always welcomed.

I'll give you my own thought process behind this:

• This team has a gaping hole at left guard and this could undermine the group that they rely on as their biggest strength.
• At pick #19, if they drafted a guard there, the money isn't huge.
• By the time they'd have to give the rookie his big deal, it's 6 years down the road. By that time, Smith or Fredrick are either being paid less or gone, so that money can be reallocated.
• If the team takes a guard in round one, that guy is starting immediately immediate return on investment And that will be a guy that will be playing every offensive snap. Teams will have to deal with him. I don't think that there's another position that would be certain to play as much.

An issue I have here is this idea that one rookie OG is the piece that holds together an OL of four other first round talents, holy ****. Think about that for a second. Despite having a top 3 C, Top 3 OG and a Top 3 LT along with an up and coming RT, the thing that makes this OL go will be a rookie LG?

Also, I don't think you need a "great" LG to make this OL great. So I'd agree with others that say taking a guy later like a Corbett or Price or Ragnow would make more sense to me.

 

[Stash]

Personally, I think we are going to go DT or LBer in the 1st round and look at guard in the 2nd round. Of course, this all changes if we cut Dez prior to the draft.

Who's the DT that would provide more value that the guard would?

Vea? Sign me up. But I have to doubt that he's there. And I think there's a gap between him and Payne. And nobody else is worth it in round one.

 

[Stash]

An issue I have here is this idea that one rookie OG is the piece that holds together an OL of four other first round talents, holy ****. Think about that for a second. Despite having a top 3 C, Top 3 OG and a Top 3 LT along with an up and coming RT, the thing that makes this OL go will be a rookie LG?

I get that, and what I'm saying is that right now what the team doesn't have there can derail it.

As good as the guys we have are, they can't play for anyone else. They can handle their own assignments, but they can't hold out one hand to prop up somebody who can't do the job.

I'd ask you this. What position is at the top of your own draft priority list?

After you answer that, give me a best case scenario for how much that rookie will play.

Is it anywhere close to what the rookie guard would play?

 

[visionary]

If Vea is there? Sure, sign me up. He'd help to turn a so-so defensive line into a force overnight.

But he's the only one I think that's worth it at #19, even Payne is a small step down for me, and nobody else is a consideration there at 1-tech.

As for linebacker, how much is the guy playing? How much base defense is this team running? And how many snaps is any rookie taken in the first round playing?

Are you pulling your Pro Bowl linebacker off the field?

Are you sitting the 34th pick in the 2016 draft?

Either way, looks like an awful return on a draft investment.

I'd be ok with Vea or Payne or Landry
I'd be ok with Evans as well
No way am I counting on Jaylon to start

 

[Stash]

I'd be ok with Vea or Payne or Landry
I'd be ok with Evans as well
No way am I counting on Jaylon to start

Then the 34th pick of the 2016 draft was a waste.

 

[Sydla]

I get that, and what I'm saying is that right now what the team doesn't have there can derail it.

As good as the guys we have are, they can't play for anyone else. They can handle their own assignments, but they can't hold out one hand to prop up somebody who can't do the job.

I'd ask you this. What position is at the top of your own draft priority list?

After you answer that, give me a best case scenario for how much that rookie will play.

Is it anywhere close to what the rookie guard would play?

I think that's hyperbole. The OL was just fine when Cooper was at LG and Cooper is pretty damn average. Only when Smith got hurt did some of the issues at LG get exposed. Frankly, I am not sure we are that much worse off with Martin or moving Collins than we were with Cooper. Or a guy we take in the 3rd or even 4th round.

Because in the end, it's not who is playing LG. It's the health of Smith. Which is why Fleming is probably more important than any LG we have or will have.

 

[visionary]

Then the 34th pick of the 2016 draft was a waste.

We've known that for 2 years

 

[Stash]

We've known that for 2 years

This would be undeniable proof then. A very public acknowledgement, despite any words that anyone in the organization could say.

 

[jujoboys]

Who's the DT that would provide more value that the guard would?

Vea? Sign me up. But I have to doubt that he's there. And I think there's a gap between him and Payne. And nobody else is worth it in round one.

First off, I never said I would be disappointed if we drafted a guard in the 1st round. I simply stated that it feels like the front office may be leaning toward a DT or LBer. I would be fine with Dallas drafting the following positions in the 1st round as long as it is the right player: OG, OT, DT, DE, FS, LBer. I just don't want a TE, QB, RB, CB, or WR (unless Dez is cut) in the 1st round.

 

[CowboyChris]

Personally, I think we are going to go DT or LBer in the 1st round and look at guard in the 2nd round. Of course, this all changes if we cut Dez prior to the draft.

we don't value those positions high in the draft, especially DT

 

[jujoboys]

we don't value those positions high in the draft, especially DT

Someone better tell the front office they don't value those positions because they have Taven Bryan, Leighton Vander Esch, Rashaan Evans, Da'ron Payne, and Vita Vea coming in for pre-draft visits. There is a good chance all 5 of those guys go in the 1st round or very early in the 2nd round. Seems like a waste to use 5 of the 30 pre-draft visit spots on DT and LBers that may be drafted prior to our 50th pick if we don't value the position and don't intend to consider drafting that position with a 1st round pick. At one time we never drafted OLine in the 1st round. Things change if a player of high value drops to you. I have a hard time believing they would pass on Vita Vea if he is still there at 19.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I did this one on Fanspeak this afternoon. I went the guard route based on articles regarding player availability and ended up with this haul:

19: R1P19

G WILL HERNANDEZ

UTEP

50: R2P18

DL HARRISON PHILLIPS

STANFORD

81: R3P17

S MARCUS ALLEN

PENN STATE

116: R4P16

WR DANTE PETTIS

WASHINGTON

137: R4P37

LB JOSEY JEWELL

IOWA

171: R5P34

LB JACK CICHY

WISCONSIN

192: R6P18

TE TROY FUMAGALLI

WISCONSIN

193: R6P19

OT BRANDON PARKER

NORTH CAROLINA A&T

208: R6P34

LB CHRISTIAN SAM

ARIZONA STATE

236: R7P18

LB TEGRAY SCALES

Great draft. Fixed starting LG, brought in some pieces on DL and safety. Grabbed 2 very good LBs and a high upside WR. Love the TE as well, he can block and catch. Rest of the guys are decent camp competition and depth guys.

Very solid draft and I would be happy with this draft. Great job

 

[Irvin88_4life]

If it's your call, where do you put this year's resource?



And your .02 is always welcomed.

I'll give you my own thought process behind this:

• This team has a gaping hole at left guard and this could undermine the group that they rely on as their biggest strength.
• At pick #19, if they drafted a guard there, the money isn't huge.
• By the time they'd have to give the rookie his big deal, it's 6 years down the road. By that time, Smith or Fredrick are either being paid less or gone, so that money can be reallocated.
• If the team takes a guard in round one, that guy is starting immediately immediate return on investment And that will be a guy that will be playing every offensive snap. Teams will have to deal with him. I don't think that there's another position that would be certain to play as much.

That last point is so true. Let's look at possible first round picks.

LG..... Like you said would play day 1 and have a huge impact.

WR.....Too many receivers ahead

LB......Lee, Jaylon, Thomas, Wilson. Would be very hard for a rookie to take reps from those guys unless he is a star right away.

DT..... Collins, Irving, Price again unless it's Vea would be hard to take over day 1.

Safety...... Derwin James could, not sure any other safety would.

TE, RB, QB...... Nope, Witten, Zeke and Dak are clearly the starters.

CB...... Possibly but with Awuzie, Lewis, Brown and Jones I highly doubt it.

DE...... Lawrence, Taco, Crawford, Gregory, Tapper. Maybe Landry but again he would rotate at best.

OT, RG, C........3 all pros at those positions, enough said.



So I agree with you. LG would come in day 1 and play every snap. Solidify the line, open up holes for Zeke and give Dak protection to step up and make great throws while also allowing him more time to go through his progressions.

 

[Tristan]

An issue I have here is this idea that one rookie OG is the piece that holds together an OL of four other first round talents, holy ****. Think about that for a second. Despite having a top 3 C, Top 3 OG and a Top 3 LT along with an up and coming RT, the thing that makes this OL go will be a rookie LG?

Also, I don't think you need a "great" LG to make this OL great. So I'd agree with others that say taking a guy later like a Corbett or Price or Ragnow would make more sense to me.

Only as good as the weakest link, lg killed us all year, few good plays but overrall awful!

 

[Stash]

Great draft. Fixed starting LG, brought in some pieces on DL and safety. Grabbed 2 very good LBs and a high upside WR. Love the TE as well, he can block and catch. Rest of the guys are decent camp competition and depth guys.

Very solid draft and I would be happy with this draft. Great job

Thanks a lot for the kind words.

 

[Stash]

That last point is so true. Let's look at possible first round picks.

LG..... Like you said would play day 1 and have a huge impact.

WR.....Too many receivers ahead

LB......Lee, Jaylon, Thomas, Wilson. Would be very hard for a rookie to take reps from those guys unless he is a star right away.

DT..... Collins, Irving, Price again unless it's Vea would be hard to take over day 1.

Safety...... Derwin James could, not sure any other safety would.

TE, RB, QB...... Nope, Witten, Zeke and Dak are clearly the starters.

CB...... Possibly but with Awuzie, Lewis, Brown and Jones I highly doubt it.

DE...... Lawrence, Taco, Crawford, Gregory, Tapper. Maybe Landry but again he would rotate at best.

OT, RG, C........3 all pros at those positions, enough said.



So I agree with you. LG would come in day 1 and play every snap. Solidify the line, open up holes for Zeke and give Dak protection to step up and make great throws while also allowing him more time to go through his progressions.

Let's hope!

I'm glad that you can see where I'm coming from.