Offensive Line Philosophy...

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One thing the Cowboys need when employing next year's philosophy for the O-line is one of continuity... I think this has been lacking for some time now... Ever since the Jimmy Johnson days Dallas has used a power blocking scheme that uses huge bludgeoning guys to physically dominate their man in front of them...

Back in the day Emmitt feasted off this big line because he could use his vision and bounce ever so slightly between the tackles and then the defenders would fail to bring down Emmitt with arm tackles... Result was long time consuming drives... and consistently popping off five and eight yard runs... and we remember there were lots of those. When you can run like that regularly on third and five and third and two, you're going to be pretty good.

Other teams such as Atlanta's and Denver's uses more of a zone blocking scheme that likes to scoot laterally while engaging their opponents and then the RBs will flash to a cutback lane and take off while the DL tries to recover from the lateral slide while being engaged... Very effective for RBs such as Warrick Dunn and Tatum Bell, who made ripping off long yardage on runs pretty common... Atlanta and Denver are teams usually at the top of the rushing offense list.

One disaster I remember was back in 2002 when Dallas employed Bruce "yellow tiger" Coslet and Frank "styrofoam hammer" Verducci in their own version of WCO and zone blocking scheme... The result was a stastical and philosophical disaster... I couldn't imagine Larry Allen and Flozell Adams doing the "ta dada ta da, Block!... ta dada ta da, Whiff!... Chad Hutchinson got hit more often than a dartboard at a cricket tourney. The Colwboys most dangerous play of that year was when TE Tony "chicken hawk" McGee fell down at the end of the O-line and then ran across the empty side of the field while QB Squincy rolled out and threw back across the field and fans prayed McGee made it into the end zone... Whew!!

1. LT-- I think Flozell can be fine finishing his career in Big D... I'd sure like to see a repeat performance of his 2003 pro-bowl season... Any quality depth however be it draft or FA sure couldn't hurt looking back at this year.

2. LG-- Larry Allen sadly, I think his time is done... He is now a liability in the blitz from ANY team... run blitz, pass blitz, it doesn't matter. He just can't get around in space anymore... He still can pull on occasion but his space gets attacked by defenders when he moves out...
I think, not necessarily because he's a physical liability, but most likely because he's the most studied offensive lineman in the league by opposing DCs, is the reason Dallas will live or die by their existing running philosophy... Anything can happen to this position this off-season, be ready...

3. C-- Al Johnson is an enigma... surely he regressed in the Dallas scheme this year, but if you were to plug him in Green Bay for a traded draft pick, I think he would absolutely shine... Al has a long upper body and short quick legs... In Dallas present scheme, he's got to stand up big 330 lb defensive tackles while MLBers come crashing through the front... Not actually a recipe for success. Gurode to me is just a backup... more physical because of his size, but he's a backup guard really. Proof Gurode is not a center... First play of second half in NYG when DT Clancy nearly gets Bledsoe's handoff and Antonio Pierce struts in with a 15 yd fumble recovery for a TD... Gurode doesn't need to call plays... Brain fart maybe, but give me someone else.

4. RG-- Like it or not, Rivera is here to stay... He'll definately get his second chance. The reasoning is not just financial, but due to his overall experience. He's old yes, but not that old. But definately that position was hampered when Rivera went down with that back injury... IMO he will be seething over this past season and definately will want to make amends and prove he can be part of the rebuilding. One other plus, he's a fiery vocal leader... He'll definately help get Dallas back on track with his leadership as long as he can stay healthy.

5. RT-- Petitti can benefit from Rivera's on field leadership and some good old off-season training... One can say he was overwhelmed and he toughed it out during his injury... But, if a blue chipper such as McNeil or Justice can be had through the draft, look for good competition where the best player will win the job for next season... He did need help for the most part, but again, he'll work out the off season and fill in at least. The OL rebuilding process wont be held hostage with Rob P.'s ability or any lack thereof... He'll find a way to work and improve...

If nothing else... try some TC scenarios with Tucker at guard and see what works... Someone on this board suggested that, and I thought myself that would be a good idea... Tucker is athletic and big... guard might just suit him better anyway since he was a guard in college. In reality, upgrade the center position and hope you can get a fresh body at right tackle to improve the situation overall... Improve the center and you can see Julius running better as well as Bledsoe seeing less up the middle pressure... Rollouts aren't his strong suits... Every DC in the NFL knows that. In any case... quality depth will go a loooong way for the hunt for SB XLI in Miami.
 

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Larry Allen played better then any offensive lineman on the team last year, and that includes Adams. He's not "done" by a long shot.
 

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Man, that was a fine post and I agree. Except for L.A. Well, scratch that, I agree that position is up in the air. But I dont think LA is done yet. There were times I almost threw my Shiner Bock at the T.V. thanks to him. But, if the alternative is a Pettiti-type rookie, I'd rather have LA on his downhill slide.
 

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Our O-Line went to the Torrin Tucker school for pass blocking:

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Rack said:
Larry Allen played better then any offensive lineman on the team last year, and that includes Adams. He's not "done" by a long shot.

He's done for that salary. Allen is not worth 7 million plus a year. He needs to do a new contract or pack his bags.
 

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If nothing else... try some TC scenarios with Tucker at guard and see what works... Someone on this board suggested that, and I thought myself that would be a good idea... Tucker is athletic and big... guard might just suit him better anyway since he was a guard in college.

that was me, at least originally. I still bring that up everytime we start talking OL too. I've been saying it since the day they said TT was going to be a T. I remember him collapsing the interior of DLs at S Miss in his college days, while playing G.
 

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larry gave up 2.5 sacks this year. now cutting him wilkl save 3.5 mil. where do you plan to get a guard any better for 3.5 mil.
2.5 sacks for a guard is pretty dang good
it would be nice if we could redo his deal but thats not really possible without extending the cba.won't save you much because you can't stretch out any bonus money and the only way to loweer his number is stretch out the deal.like it or not i think there is no way to get a better guard for the money you save
 

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conner01 said:
larry gave up 2.5 sacks this year. now cutting him wilkl save 3.5 mil. where do you plan to get a guard any better for 3.5 mil.
2.5 sacks for a guard is pretty dang good

We could draft either Lutui or Guilles. Both could make about 3.5 mill. Guard is much easier to play as a rookie than the tackle position.
 

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Rack said:
Larry Allen played better then any offensive lineman on the team last year, and that includes Adams. He's not "done" by a long shot.

I agree with him not being done as far as his career, but LA playing better than anyone on the OL isn't saying much as horrid as the running game was, and as bad as the pass protection was in the second half of the season... Also, with LA being the only player not able to join the team at the start of TC due to inability to complete conditioning drills says he needs a wake up call or a second coming. He certaintly isn't worth what he's getting paid, which spells changes in contract or roster spot for 2006-07. If he can improve, wonderful, if not, we need to cut ties and move on.
 

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As we saw this year, the overall success or failure of the O-line will depend on more than the starting 5. We have nothing but ????? for depth IMHO. That is as important as the starting 5 to me.
 

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neosapien23 said:
He's done for that salary. Allen is not worth 7 million plus a year. He needs to do a new contract or pack his bags.


And how much would we save by cutting him? How much of that "Savings" would we need to pay a replacement?


When it's all said and done, it would cost MORE to cut him and sign a replacement that wouldn't even be as good as Allen.
 

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Somebody posted the figures if we cut Allen before the Official start of the 2006 Season in a thread somewhere yesterday.

I personally look at the offensive line as a bunch of dominos. If you have 1-2 fallen dominos, it could really make all of them fall.

I know alot of people are down on Allen and I know it is hard to figure out offensive lineman with regards to stats sometimes, but I still think he is okay and is just as good as most people at his position in the NFL.

- Mike G.
 

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Somebody posted the figures if we cut Allen before the Official start of the 2006 Season in a thread somewhere yesterday.

I personally look at the offensive line as a bunch of dominos. If you have 1-2 fallen dominos, it could really make all of them fall.

I know alot of people are down on Allen and I know it is hard to figure out offensive lineman with regards to stats sometimes, but I still think he is okay and is just as good as most people at his position in the NFL.

- Mike G.


If you have any of the games, go back and watch Allen. He is really that bad now.


What's worse, a guy like Tucker who physically gets beaten by a rusher or a guy like Allen who doesn't touch anyone in pass protection?

I don't know how many times Bledsoe was sacked and Allen was standing in space at the LOS with his head turned watching it happen.
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
If you have any of the games, go back and watch Allen. He is really that bad now.


What's worse, a guy like Tucker who physically gets beaten by a rusher or a guy like Allen who doesn't touch anyone in pass protection?

I don't know how many times Bledsoe was sacked and Allen was standing in space at the LOS with his head turned watching it happen.

Yeah, I got 14 of this years games on DVD. You got any in particular I should go back and re-watch. Just going off the top of my head, I cant think of any of the games where Allen was just terrible.

I know one thing though. The Cowboys are a left handed team in the Running Game and that completely sucked, so Allen has to share some responsibility.

It has been aways since I have seen him pancake his man and get into the 2nd Level, but the Run play calling was so predictable, Defenses didnt have to do much thinking.

There were 2 games where I thought the run playcalling was alot different I remember, but I cant remember which games they were :). Where alot of sweeps and pitches were used.

2005 is starting be like all the other season, seasons that seem ages ago.

Stan, let me know if you can think of a game in particular, I need an excuse to watch some Cowboys games.
 

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Since the Cowboys O line practices against the Cowboys D line, they don't get challenged enough to improve because of Zimmer’s play the run first strategy.

I remember the announcers in this years playoffs talking about aggressive defenses and how they will meet the tailback on the way to the quarterback. It is kind of hard for the d line to meet the quarterback at the LOS waiting for the running back, but I digress.

I think our O line has the talent to perform at a fairly high level, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the coaching and scheme is lacking
 

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Stanley

"I don't know how many times Bledsoe was sacked and Allen was standing in space at the LOS with his head turned watching it happen."

I dont know how many times I looked around during a running play and there was LA with his hands on his hips looking bewildered and JJ cut down in the backfield for a loss. LA had some good plays but not at 7.5 mil a year!!!
 

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joe_cowboy said:
I think our O line has the talent to perform at a fairly high level, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the coaching and scheme is lacking
I don't have much faith in the talent, coaching or scheme. I want a new O-line coach to go with our new OC that can get the job done. JJ and BP will take of the talent I have no doubt.
 

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Starting Oline for 2006:
Flo
La
Bentley
Rivera
Columbo
 
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