Offensive line play ranked

Not the way Cam Newton is playing right now. Tyron has been great so far though.
 
Doomsday;4151863 said:
Not the way Cam Newton is playing right now. Tyron has been great so far though.
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Cam didn't tear it up last week but I see what you mean. Cam is a QB and will always get the spotlight.
 
Please, people. Ignore their formulas and their rankings. They're 100% grade A crap. Love the site. Love the raw data they provide. But they can't create a worthwhile formula to save their life.
 
That's interesting. I've watched the Skins game 2-3 times and Costa dominated Cofield his primary assignment the whole game. Maybe 2-3 plays where he didn't get a good push but that's it. Oh well, i guess that's why i'm just a fan and not paid to rate player performance.
 
I noted that Columbo ranks as the worst right tackle in that article.
 
Just thinking out loud here... I wonder if the numbers are right for Costa, since he missed a chunk of the Niner game.
 
hornitosmonster;4151858 said:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/30/signature-stats-snapshot-pass-blocking-efficiency/


Tyron Smith is ranked 3rd in Pass Blocking Efficiency. Can a rookie RT win rookie of the year?

Overall the Cowboys are 10th in the NFL. Not the worst like many of you think.

not surprisingly, Phil Costa is ranked 29th.
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I noticed Marc Colombo is ranked the worst RT, and some people were upset he was cut, lol.

I wonder how much Costa'a ranking fell as a result of the Skins game, by far his worst.

Here's what is telling of the future of this line to me, they are ranked 10th with two rookies and one 2nd year player who is starting for the first time, and a RG who changed positions after so many years at LG. Add to that we've had our center and LG's miss games due to injury so the line has had very little consistency.

Imaging how good they can be with a little time and experience together? If Costa can keep improving all year, we'll have a very solid line, imo.

If Smith is able to make the move to LT next year and Free goes to RT, they can be one of the best lines in the NFL, imo. Assuming Dockery can get healthy and we keep him, I'd love to see Smith, Dockery, Costa, Kosier, Free as our starting line. If we can upgrade Kosier even better. Nagy and Kowalski would be great depth and possibly eventual starters.
 
shockandroll;4151891 said:
I noticed Marc Colombo is ranked the worst RT, and some people were upset he was cut, lol.

I wonder how much Costa'a ranking fell as a result of the Skins game, by far his worst.

Here's what is telling of the future of this line to me, they are ranked 10th with two rookies and one 2nd year player who is starting for the first time, and a RG who changed positions after so many years at LG. Add to that we've had our center and LG's miss games due to injury so the line has had very little consistency.

Imaging how good they can be with a little time and experience together? If Costa can keep improving all year, we'll have a very solid line, imo.

If Smith is able to make the move to LT next year and Free goes to RT, they can be one of the best lines in the NFL, imo. Assuming Dockery can get healthy and we keep him, I'd love to see Smith, Dockery, Costa, Kosier, Free as our starting line. If we can upgrade Kosier even better. Nagy and Kowalski would be great depth and possibly eventual starters.
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You're way too positive for this crowd. :laugh2:

Instead you need to phrase it like this...


"Wow! The Cowboys are only better than 22 other teams. What's up with that? You know none of the young guys are going to get better. A player peaks by his 2nd or 3rd game– Any real fan can tell you that.
Yep, dark days ahead for this franchise. I can see the first three picks of next year's draft being used for linemen... The current group stinks."
 
hornitosmonster;4151865 said:
Cam didn't tear it up last week but I see what you mean. Cam is a QB and will always get the spotlight.
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Did you see that game that Cam played in last week? The entire game was played in a monsoon, and he didn't turn the ball over and most importantly, he led them to a W.
 
hornitosmonster;4151858 said:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/30/signature-stats-snapshot-pass-blocking-efficiency/


Tyron Smith is ranked 3rd in Pass Blocking Efficiency. Can a rookie RT win rookie of the year?

Overall the Cowboys are 10th in the NFL. Not the worst like many of you think.

not surprisingly, Phil Costa is ranked 29th.
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Actually, very very surprisingly because he's been very good as both a pass and run blocker. Unless they factor in his errant shotgun snaps, that ranking is ludicrous.

Like Theo already pointed out, that site is good for their raw data but not much else.
 
The opportunity exists for some fresh views of the data, if anyone would like to use their own football expertise to introduce new formula and better formula.
 
Ignoring Costa's snap problems is a little like this old line:

"Outside of that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?"
 
how is Oakland not in the top 10, they have the least amount of QB hits and sacks in the NFL.

Also I would like to know how Nagy isn't right there next to Costa, this just gives me more evidence with my argument when I say, Costa sucks.

Also I would like to see some runnning OL stats.
 
hornitosmonster;4151865 said:
Cam didn't tear it up last week but I see what you mean. Cam is a QB and will always get the spotlight.
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Don't know too many QBs especially rookie QBs that tear it up during torrential rain storms.
 
ScipioCowboy;4151871 said:
They're clearly a good pass blocking unit. Run blocking is their kryptonite.
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Not sure why we try to run up the middle with a line that needs to add strength to start with. Especially at the goal line. Feliz is made for running wide so that should (could) be a big help to these guys, and yes... where are the screens? This line is a great one for being mobile after all. Play to the collective strengths.

Maybe they are on to something with the way Felix busted out some nice runs last week?

Romo having to direct WR traffic at the line also reduced his time available for setting the offensive line protections. Him also holding the ball that extra heart beat on pass plays sure didn't help any. Roll outs, moving the pocket, could help here.
 
I do wonder about the reliability of their stats.

Nevertheless, it is interesting that Doug Free was one of the best Tackles over the past 3 years even though he seems to have struggled a bit the last two games (especially the second half against the 49ers) and Tyron Smith has been amongst the best in the league so far, albeit with a small sample size. This should bode well for our future with both being relatively young.

The other thing that they don't mention in the article is how often the player gets double team help or chip blocks from Tackles and RBs to assist. Some of the best may seem to have equivalent numbers to the mediocre on that list due to the fact that the best have to do their job one-on-one. The other thing that isn't mentioned is how QBs affect this stat. For example, is there some time point after the snap where any QB pressure isn't counted? I would think this should be factored in around the 3.5 - 4.0 second mark. At that point, any QB pressure should be counted against the QB and not the OL. Perhaps a lesser time should be factored in for blitzes with some variation for 5, 6, 7 and 8 man blitzes to factor this in.

The other thing I wonder about is their stats. They seem to claim we have only been sacked once this year. I thought Romo was sacked about 4 times in the Jets game alone.
 
We actually aren't that bad in pass protection. But our run blocking sucks. I don't need a stats geek to tell me that.
 
Eskimo;4152115 said:
I do wonder about the reliability of their stats.
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Trust what your eyes see.

I remember these same Poindexters telling me Terence Newman was actually a shutdown corner years ago.

Uh, right.
 
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