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If I had to guess what happens we’ll sign a few aged FA vets to short term deals that were good 5 years ago, draft Jeanty and then our usual 2nd round head scratcher.

It’s actually fairly easy to make roster moves to free up a lot of money to be active in FA and be relevant very quickly with a good draft…but I have 0 confidence we do that.
Jerry is going to make a move either to get the most attention or to prove he is a great GM. This offseason has disaster written all over it. We haven’t even started our coaching search that will tell us all we need to know about what we will do in free agency and in the draft.
 

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B/C outside of Lamb we have zero offseason weapons…
Or perhaps we're not using our talent better. I'm sure McVay or Ben Johnson would have no issue getting targets to Tolbert, Turpin, and Flournoy. The last game, Turpin took a slant all the way to the endzone. Usually when they put him in it's to run a jet sweep or WR screen. I think lack of pre-snap motion and creativity is more of any issue.
 

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Or perhaps we're not using our talent better. I'm sure McVay or Ben Johnson would have no issue getting targets to Tolbert, Turpin, and Flournoy. The last game, Turpin took a slant all the way to the endzone. Usually when they put him in it's to run a jet sweep or WR screen. I think lack of pre-snap motion and creativity is more of any issue.
I’m sure they’d help…but our talent in comparison to actual contenders is laughable on the offensive side of the ball.
 

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The Cowboys just have to many holes. You guys don’t seem to understand how good Detroit, Philadelphia, and Green Bay are. All three of those teams are 30 points better than a healthy Cowboys team. It’s gonna take luck, multiple draft success, and great moves by the front office to improve this team. Plus we are not even talking about Washington, Atlanta, Arizona, Seattle ect who are all loaded. San Francisco who is a bigger disappointment than us also is a better team. I don’t see much change.

I am scared to death of what the three stooges are going to do with our 1st round pick. At the very least expect a dog and pony show. The extension of Dak killed us in the leverage department. The Cowboys have to protect their investment. As of right now I can’t see them not picking Jeanty with the first pick. He is the best weapon in the draft.
Got to see who they hire and what direction they take before any judgement
 

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I don’t agree with it but I’m guessing Mingo was the offseason pick up in the WR room. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Lamb, Mingo, Tolbert, Turpin and Flournoy make up the room.
 

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I don’t agree with it but I’m guessing Mingo was the offseason pick up in the WR room. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Lamb, Mingo, Tolbert, Turpin and Flournoy make up the room.
a superior OC should be able to use Turpin and Ferguson and others to take the pressure off of Lamb. IF we can also get a real good 3rd down back that honestly would be a pretty decent receiver core.
 

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I don’t agree with it but I’m guessing Mingo was the offseason pick up in the WR room. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Lamb, Mingo, Tolbert, Turpin and Flournoy make up the room.
Yea…this would still be a laughable WR room.

If the defense shows up next year Dak could probably keep us competitive but not nearly enough to be a contender.
 

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Got to see who they hire and what direction they take before any judgement
If Kneeland shows me something in these final games with pass rush and holding the edge. Plus resigning Gholston, we would have a solid end room with Sam in his final season. I will join the Mason Graham bandwagon. I like his defensive tackle partner as well. Just a few move in the offseason we could solidify the front four. Mazi as a rotation piece we can live with.
 

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I agree. In the draft this year I think you can double dip at DT and RB.

Would like to get Graham in the first. Hunter and Tmac would probably be the only two I like above him.

Later I would like to get Dontay Corleone from Cincy. I just like the guy
a Few other possible DTs with some being higher than others...
Walter Nolen, Derrick Harmon, Nazir Stackhouse, Thor Griffin and a guy I liked at WVU who transferred to Miami...Akheem Mesidor.

I think this team needs to bolster that DT room with both 3techs and some big bodied NTs.

Also there are plenty of RBs to choose from in this draft. Not going to bother listing a bunch.
Problem is if this team keeps waiting to the next round only to have them run out of decent options. Last year was not the first time they have done this.
 

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If Kneeland shows me something in these final games with pass rush and holding the edge. Plus resigning Gholston, we would have a solid end room with Sam in his final season. I will join the Mason Graham bandwagon. I like his defensive tackle partner as well. Just a few move in the offseason we could solidify the front four. Mazi as a rotation piece we can live with.
I know scheme really doesn't matter much these days, as teams play nickel the majority of the time, but it's time for a 3-4 front for their base defense. It was originally designed to be able to defend the run better and is much easier to find players for that scheme. Add in the likes of BB, Vrabel, Saleh all possible candidates, use the 3-4 scheme.

-You would have Parsons, Kneeland as your OLB's. This is really Parsons true position, where Kneeland fits as that run SOLB like a Spenser.
-DL would have a big 3T like a Graham, a NT (Mazi) and a 5T which I think Gholston could play. I would also draft a 1T DT.
-As for the inside linebackers, Overshown/Marist and add another big linebacker.
 

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I know scheme really doesn't matter much these days, as teams play nickel the majority of the time, but it's time for a 3-4 front for their base defense. It was originally designed to be able to defend the run better and is much easier to find players for that scheme. Add in the likes of BB, Vrabel, Saleh all possible candidates, use the 3-4 scheme.

-You would have Parsons, Kneeland as your OLB's. This is really Parsons true position, where Kneeland fits as that run SOLB like a Spenser.
-DL would have a big 3T like a Graham, a NT (Mazi) and a 5T which I think Gholston could play. I would also draft a 1T DT.
-As for the inside linebackers, Overshown/Marist and add another big linebacker.
I noticed that Bland was a full go at practice Wednesday. Broaddus thinks he will play. The defense should be healthy against Washington. I think we might give their offense some problems. In a 3/4 what are you going to do with Overshown? Also we need to middle linebackers for the defense to work. What team has a 3/4 base now?
 

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If Kneeland shows me something in these final games with pass rush and holding the edge. Plus resigning Gholston, we would have a solid end room with Sam in his final season. I will join the Mason Graham bandwagon. I like his defensive tackle partner as well. Just a few move in the offseason we could solidify the front four. Mazi as a rotation piece we can live with.
I think Kneeland will be fine setting the Edge…I just don’t think he’s ever going to give you a ton as a pass rusher.

I don’t mind the idea of resigning Golston to a short term DA type deal. He’s been a good rotational player.
 

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I know scheme really doesn't matter much these days, as teams play nickel the majority of the time, but it's time for a 3-4 front for their base defense. It was originally designed to be able to defend the run better and is much easier to find players for that scheme. Add in the likes of BB, Vrabel, Saleh all possible candidates, use the 3-4 scheme.

-You would have Parsons, Kneeland as your OLB's. This is really Parsons true position, where Kneeland fits as that run SOLB like a Spenser.
-DL would have a big 3T like a Graham, a NT (Mazi) and a 5T which I think Gholston could play. I would also draft a 1T DT.
-As for the inside linebackers, Overshown/Marist and add another big linebacker.
Not sure I’d agree 3-4 players are easier to find. 3-4 DEs are a rare breed…usually 6’5+ and huge. We don’t have a player on our roster that fits that mold and Kneeland probably isn’t a good enough athlete to play in space as an OLB.

I’m fine doing some 3-4 looks but I think it’d be waaaaaaay easier to overhaul the DT room for an 4-3 and get healthy to get this defense back on track.
 

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I noticed that Bland was a full go at practice Wednesday. Broaddus thinks he will play. The defense should be healthy against Washington. I think we might give their offense some problems. In a 3/4 what are you going to do with Overshown? Also we need to middle linebackers for the defense to work. What team has a 3/4 base now?
Baltimore
 

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I think Kneeland will be fine setting the Edge…I just don’t think he’s ever going to give you a ton as a pass rusher.

I don’t mind the idea of resigning Golston to a short term DA type deal. He’s been a good rotational player.
I think the defense can be salvaged with small moves because we have 4 play makers in Parsons, Diggs, Bland, and Overshown. We just need solid role players at safety, middle linebacker, and defensive tackle. We have to use free agency and maybe overpay for solid play. Give me Gholston types at defensive tackle, middle linebacker, and safety. We would have a good defense next season.
 

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Not sure I’d agree 3-4 players are easier to find. 3-4 DEs are a rare breed…usually 6’5+ and huge. We don’t have a player on our roster that fits that mold and Kneeland probably isn’t a good enough athlete to play in space as an OLB.

I’m fine doing some 3-4 looks but I think it’d be waaaaaaay easier to overhaul the DT room for an 4-3 and get healthy to get this defense back on track.
The three man line consists of a big 3T, NT and a 5T where many use basically another NT.

The last time we were good against the run was in Wade 3-4 one gap defense. Canty, Spears, Ratliff was our front.
 

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I think the defense can be salvaged with small moves because we have 4 play makers in Parsons, Diggs, Bland, and Overshown. We just need solid role players at safety, middle linebacker, and defensive tackle. We have to use free agency and maybe overpay for solid play. Give me Gholston types at defensive tackle, middle linebacker, and safety. We would have a good defense next season.
If we can go from bad to good at DT and add a glass eater LB type I’d agree.
 

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The three man line consists of a big 3T, NT and a 5T where many use basically another NT.

The last time we were good against the run was in Wade 3-4 one gap defense. Canty, Spears, Ratliff was our front.
Correct. So you’ll need 5/6 DTs for quality depth instead of 4.

It’s be harder to get there.
 
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