Oklahoma looking to leave Big12 for PAC 12

[ABQCOWBOY]

I completely diagree. I don't think Texas kids go to Oklahoma to play for Bob Stoops because they have some games back home in Texas.

I don't think that has anything to do w/ it whatsoever. Those kids are going to play for Oklahoma because of Bob Stoops and his consistency for winning and putting the best kids on the field.

Saying that, I personally do now want to see Oklahoma without Texas. The RRR is some of the best tradition we have left in the game now. I don't want to see that disolved.

I am not trying to be a jerk, but I hate hearing these excuses and that somehow Oklahoma isn't going to be Oklahoma if Texas isn't around.

This mindset is why the Big12 is in the shape that it finds itself atm.

In the end you will probably see Oklahoma jump to the Pac12. I hear this is actually what Texas wants, because then it can go along and not have the egg all over its face for wrecking the 12, if it left.

I think you are wrong Dallas. If that were the case, you would see more Texas kids going to Bama or Florida or USC or Ohio State. They don't go there much because they can't be close to home. All of those programs and several more have Big Time programs with Big Time Coaching Staffs. All of them are on par with OU and Stoops. I just don't buy it. If you look at OU and it's recruiting just prior to joining the Big 12 and what they were pulling out of Texas, it's night and day. I just don't think that they will continue to get the kind of players they are currently getting out of Texas if they were to join the PAC12 consistently if several of the Texas schools don't follow. I see a lot of those kids that OU currently gets jumping to TAMU. They could still offer all the things that OU has offered and offer SEC competition. JMO but I think it's based on fairly solid theory.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah but then using that logic it improves their recruiting out west.

I agree. They probably would be able to pick up more kids out West but the talent pool out West is not as deep as it is in Texas. Only Florida can rival Texas in that capacity IMO. It's certainly a trade off but you are facing a situation where you have to recruit kids against USC and the rest of the PAC12 and your going to offer them what, Norman over the Pacific Coast Beach? That's going to be a tough road I think. OU will win some of those but I don't think it will be as easy to recruit those kids from Cali as it currently is to recruit kids out of Texas. That is only my opinion but again, I think there is some logic behind it.

 

[StylisticS]

Very interesting to see what Texas will do. I still think it's stupid if they go independent in a superconference world. That's me, though.

 

[Concord]

Stoops said that OU could live without the Texas/OU game. I think he's out to lunch but I guess we'll see.

I think that if OU leaves the Big12 to go to the PAC12, it seriously hurts their recruiting in Texas eventually. I think that Texas players go to OU as opposed to in state schools because they know they still play half their games in Texas and that they are still on local stations and their families can still watch them week in and week out. You go to the PAC 12 and I don't know if that still happens. I guess we'll see.

I agree...WTH?

First Nebraska and Oklahoma stopped playing each other every year and now Nebraska's in the Big Ten and now there could be no Texas vs Oklahoma?

Damn.

I know change is sometimes inevitable...but I miss the old days.

 

[Cythim]

I think the Texas/OU game makes too much money for both schools for them to drop it. The Metroplex makes too much money as well during that game, I don't think anyone wants to lose this one.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Oklahoma has, what, seven national championships? And only one of them was won being in the same conference as Texas.

So they don't have to play Tech and Baylor and A&M every year to recruit Texas.

 

[Rogah]

I agree...WTH?

First Nebraska and Oklahoma stopped playing each other every year and now Nebraska's in the Big Ten and now there could be no Texas vs Oklahoma?

Damn.

I know change is sometimes inevitable...but I miss the old days.

Yeah it seems to me like we've lost a lot of the old SWC/Big 8 rivalries in the past few years.

I was quite a bit disappointed that we lost Colorado-Nebraska. I know other rivalries had more meetings, but that was one I always enjoyed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Oklahoma has, what, seven national championships? And only one of them was won being in the same conference as Texas.

So they don't have to play Tech and Baylor and A&M every year to recruit Texas.

I understand what you are saying but realistically, I think you have to look at how OU won those and when. OU had a power house between 50 and 56. they won three titles under Bud Wilkerson and then won one two in 74 and 75 under Switzer with another in 85 to round out the Big 8 titles. After 85, the Sooners started to slide. 86 and 87 were good years but 88 resulted in a 9-3 record, 89 was 7-4, 90 was 8-3, 91 was 9-3, 92 was 5-4-2, 93 was 9-3. I think that this was due to a down turn in recruiting. Now, part of that might be attributable to coaching but I think it's probably more a question of talent available in those years. In 94 OU was 6-6, in 95 OU was 5-5-1, 3-8 in 96, 1996 being the first year the Big 12 played a football schedule. In 1997 OU went 4-8, 5-6 in 98 and 7-5 in 99, which was the year Stoops became head coach at OU. In 2000, OU went 13-0, winning the National Championship and Stoops did it with players that he did not recruit, for the most part. That, IMO, tells you that the recruiting OU was able to do out of Texas, played a huge role in their success. Certainly there is no doubt that Stoops played a huge role in OU's recent success but there is also no doubt that OU started trending upwards immediately after they joined the Big 12 and started playing more Texas Schools. Stoops and his staff were able to start recruiting better players out of Texas.


How many top recruits will they pull from Texas playing a PAC12 Schedule? The fact that they won 6 titles while still in the Big 8, IMO, does not change the fact that they were able to play Texas Schools every year and recruit in Texas because of it.

To me, it would be a mistake to sever ties with Texas Schools but I guess we'll see.