OL Or Stud Rb? When Does A Rb Shine?

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Does a stud RB do it all without a great OL or does a great OL make a average RB look good?

Would Derrick Henry have done better than Rico Dowdle? For sure, because he is a stud RB. Rico is a quality backup, a complimentary back, but is not impact player. He has no runs over 25 yards. A stud sizzling RB would make this Cowboys team much better.

In 1988, a terrible Cowboys team, Herschel walker led the NFC in rushing. That is because a young Herschel transcended any sub-par OL. He was an elite RB.

When Jimmy Johnson took over in 1989, he asked his new OL coach to evaluate his inherited OL. Tony Wise said that Mark Tuinei and Nate Newton were talented, but the technique used was bad, that RT Kevin Gogan was too slow to start at RT ( he did start on one winning Super Bowl Cowboy team at guard and left as a free agent for very good career with Raiders), that center Tom Rafferty was overwhelmed at center. Yet with all these weaknesses, Herschel led the NFC in rushing with over 1500 yards in a full 16 game schedule with 50 pass catches.

The Boys do not need all high draft picks to establish a great OL. Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei were both free agents, Stepnoski and Erik Williams were 3rd rounders; Larry Allen was a 2nd rounder. They need great coaching and time to develop. Doug Free as a 4th rounder who became a solid starter for many years, but he did not start in his first two years while he developed. Perhaps the current RT would make a very good guard, Guyton goes to RT, and Asim Richards in his 3rd year starts on the left side.

A thorough re-evaluation of the BOY's OL is necessary.

Perhaps a back with breakaway speed who can come up with some big impact plays, as opposed to the grind it out Dowdle, will make the OL better, open more space for Ferguson and the Cowboys' receivers.

I saw how the 1976 Cowboys were missing an impact RB. Adding Tony Dorsett dramatically changed their offense. He was a feared home run hitter who hit homers. Today's Cowboy team has one home run hitter, in Lamb. Dowdle is a singles hitter. Would Dak have had a great rookie season without a young Zeke?

With all of the above said, there is one player in the draft who can provide instant stud offense as a rookie, who is superb at breaking tackles, yards after contact, with breakaway speed, durable, and light years above any other impact offensive player. He is built like Emmitt Smith with far greater speed. He comes from the potato state program the Boys are enamored with, Ashton Jeanty.

Now there will be a team that may trade above our slot to grab him just to rub it in that the Boys are in a steep decline, so all the talk of the draft should be on stud defensive linemen and talk that good RB's can be had in later rounds.

The rebuilding of this team starts with a sizzling, impact offensive threat who will make our less than top end QB not need to be the hero. Get the OL retrained into the tactics employed by the great 92-95 teams.
 

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There’s no running back in the NFL that’s ever done it by themselves and before people say Barry did it let’s not discredit Lomas brown who made 5 all pro teams blocking for Barry

And all your points are right….especially about Henry

He would’ve done better than Rico here but by how much is the question? Baltimore preaches run run run run and Lamar isn’t chucking it 50 times
 

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I'd much rather have a dominant OL with an average runner. Where it becomes tricky is that the NFL has mostly devalued the RB position the last few years so most RBs are not difficult to acquire. Only 5 guys in the league are making more than $10M per year at RB, only 1 is over $15M per year. I dont hate the Detroit Lions approach at all in going and getting a David Montgomery type in free agency to pair with fresh legs in the draft....although I'm not sure that route requires a 1st round RB. They've also done a nice job of locking down 2 1st round picks at Tackle. I'm fine going the developmental route for your interior guys on the OL, but I tend to want my Tackles to be earlier picks, with some obvious exclusions to that rule.
 

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Oline is getting better. Very good Olineman can be found in the middle rounds. What we need is a better Oline coach. Rico Dowdle is proving he's a legit starting RB who needs a good mid-round backup RB. Yesterday's game exposed what we truly need: another legit weapon at WR in case CeeDee goes down once again due to injury.
 

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Look no further than Saquon Barkley. He was good for the Giants, but never great. Look at how many yards before contact Barkley has this year. I read it was over 1400 yards before yesterdays game and he had a lot of room to run yesterday too.

Rico is not a featured RB. He lacks the speed, quickness and vision to be that kind of back. I see every game a few plays where Rico, if he had more quickness or speed, could evade the tackler and doesn't. But I have said repeatedly, even Henry or Barkley could not succeed behind the Cowboys offensive line.

For me, it is the offensive line - and WRs and TEs who can block. Once you have that, a 4th round draft pick can be more than good enough in the backfield. And btw, having a top offensive line also helps your QB. Look at the two Eagles backups yesterday. They looked so much better than Rush. The Cowboys did not sack either one of them.
 

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Trenches win the game.

Dallas had a HOF Offensive line with a D-II line a decade ago.

Trenches allowed Murray to really shine and Zeke to eat his first 3 years here.

Get a competent line and most RB's will be good enough to close out games.

The downfall of Witten being a plus blocker to barely hanging on to Dalton Schultz also hurt the outside running game.
Guys like Hanna and even Swaim were good blockers here.
 

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Oline is getting better. Very good Olineman can be found in the middle rounds. What we need is a better Oline coach. Rico Dowdle is proving he's a legit starting RB who needs a good mid-round backup RB. Yesterday's game exposed what we truly need: another legit weapon at WR in case CeeDee goes down once again due to injury.
I wouldn't mind us taking Jeanty if he's there in the first, but also am OK with taking the top receiver (depending on value) or top defensive lineman (particularly a 3-tech).
 

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They go hand in hand. A good OLine makes the life of a RB easy. But the RB needs to be competent enough to use his good OLine. Just as a OC needs to know what sort of OLine he has and how to best maximize the running game and how to work around a bad or injured line if he needs to.
 

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mark tuinei started out here as a dt.
coach landry switched him to ol when injuries along the oline depleted his depth.
amazing how many times coach did that...to great success.
ray wright...pat donovan.
tuinei is vastly under-rated.
helluva player.
 

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Does a stud RB do it all without a great OL or does a great OL make a average RB look good?

Would Derrick Henry have done better than Rico Dowdle? For sure, because he is a stud RB. Rico is a quality backup, a complimentary back, but is not impact player. He has no runs over 25 yards. A stud sizzling RB would make this Cowboys team much better.

In 1988, a terrible Cowboys team, Herschel walker led the NFC in rushing. That is because a young Herschel transcended any sub-par OL. He was an elite RB.

When Jimmy Johnson took over in 1989, he asked his new OL coach to evaluate his inherited OL. Tony Wise said that Mark Tuinei and Nate Newton were talented, but the technique used was bad, that RT Kevin Gogan was too slow to start at RT ( he did start on one winning Super Bowl Cowboy team at guard and left as a free agent for very good career with Raiders), that center Tom Rafferty was overwhelmed at center. Yet with all these weaknesses, Herschel led the NFC in rushing with over 1500 yards in a full 16 game schedule with 50 pass catches.

The Boys do not need all high draft picks to establish a great OL. Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei were both free agents, Stepnoski and Erik Williams were 3rd rounders; Larry Allen was a 2nd rounder. They need great coaching and time to develop. Doug Free as a 4th rounder who became a solid starter for many years, but he did not start in his first two years while he developed. Perhaps the current RT would make a very good guard, Guyton goes to RT, and Asim Richards in his 3rd year starts on the left side.

A thorough re-evaluation of the BOY's OL is necessary.

Perhaps a back with breakaway speed who can come up with some big impact plays, as opposed to the grind it out Dowdle, will make the OL better, open more space for Ferguson and the Cowboys' receivers.

I saw how the 1976 Cowboys were missing an impact RB. Adding Tony Dorsett dramatically changed their offense. He was a feared home run hitter who hit homers. Today's Cowboy team has one home run hitter, in Lamb. Dowdle is a singles hitter. Would Dak have had a great rookie season without a young Zeke?

With all of the above said, there is one player in the draft who can provide instant stud offense as a rookie, who is superb at breaking tackles, yards after contact, with breakaway speed, durable, and light years above any other impact offensive player. He is built like Emmitt Smith with far greater speed. He comes from the potato state program the Boys are enamored with, Ashton Jeanty.

Now there will be a team that may trade above our slot to grab him just to rub it in that the Boys are in a steep decline, so all the talk of the draft should be on stud defensive linemen and talk that good RB's can be had in later rounds.

The rebuilding of this team starts with a sizzling, impact offensive threat who will make our less than top end QB not need to be the hero. Get the OL retrained into the tactics employed by the great 92-95 teams.
Football games are won and lost in the trenches.

Henry would have absolutely helped but he is different. Jeanty can help for sure. This team needs to fire Solari. Should have last year.
 

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Oline is getting better. Very good Olineman can be found in the middle rounds. What we need is a better Oline coach. Rico Dowdle is proving he's a legit starting RB who needs a good mid-round backup RB. Yesterday's game exposed what we truly need: another legit weapon at WR in case CeeDee goes down once again due to injury.
Dowdle is not a starter.

Not even close. His best games are against some of the worst run defenses in the league. This team needs help literally everywhere. Imagine if they got Irving instead of Lance.
 

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What teams currently employ 1st round running backs and where are they in the standings/playoff picture right now?
 

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What teams currently employ 1st round running backs and where are they in the standings/playoff picture right now?
Detroit has Jamir, Baltimore has D Henry, Eagles have Barkley, 49ers have McCaffrey.

If you have an elite RB on the board, i.e. Tony Dorsett, Herschel Walker, Barry Sanders, Tomlinson. Marshall Falk, Eric Dickerson, you take him. Jeanty belongs in that conversation.

Since the Boys lack an impact #2 receiver, I would not hesitate in drafting a WR in 2nd round and try to sign two DT's in free agency. We have Sam Williams coming back plus Neeland in 2nd year is supposed to duplicate DLaw. Need to bring back Golston and O Dig.
 

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Does a stud RB do it all without a great OL or does a great OL make a average RB look good?

Would Derrick Henry have done better than Rico Dowdle? For sure, because he is a stud RB. Rico is a quality backup, a complimentary back, but is not impact player. He has no runs over 25 yards. A stud sizzling RB would make this Cowboys team much better.

In 1988, a terrible Cowboys team, Herschel walker led the NFC in rushing. That is because a young Herschel transcended any sub-par OL. He was an elite RB.

When Jimmy Johnson took over in 1989, he asked his new OL coach to evaluate his inherited OL. Tony Wise said that Mark Tuinei and Nate Newton were talented, but the technique used was bad, that RT Kevin Gogan was too slow to start at RT ( he did start on one winning Super Bowl Cowboy team at guard and left as a free agent for very good career with Raiders), that center Tom Rafferty was overwhelmed at center. Yet with all these weaknesses, Herschel led the NFC in rushing with over 1500 yards in a full 16 game schedule with 50 pass catches.

The Boys do not need all high draft picks to establish a great OL. Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei were both free agents, Stepnoski and Erik Williams were 3rd rounders; Larry Allen was a 2nd rounder. They need great coaching and time to develop. Doug Free as a 4th rounder who became a solid starter for many years, but he did not start in his first two years while he developed. Perhaps the current RT would make a very good guard, Guyton goes to RT, and Asim Richards in his 3rd year starts on the left side.

A thorough re-evaluation of the BOY's OL is necessary.

Perhaps a back with breakaway speed who can come up with some big impact plays, as opposed to the grind it out Dowdle, will make the OL better, open more space for Ferguson and the Cowboys' receivers.

I saw how the 1976 Cowboys were missing an impact RB. Adding Tony Dorsett dramatically changed their offense. He was a feared home run hitter who hit homers. Today's Cowboy team has one home run hitter, in Lamb. Dowdle is a singles hitter. Would Dak have had a great rookie season without a young Zeke?

With all of the above said, there is one player in the draft who can provide instant stud offense as a rookie, who is superb at breaking tackles, yards after contact, with breakaway speed, durable, and light years above any other impact offensive player. He is built like Emmitt Smith with far greater speed. He comes from the potato state program the Boys are enamored with, Ashton Jeanty.

Now there will be a team that may trade above our slot to grab him just to rub it in that the Boys are in a steep decline, so all the talk of the draft should be on stud defensive linemen and talk that good RB's can be had in later rounds.

The rebuilding of this team starts with a sizzling, impact offensive threat who will make our less than top end QB not need to be the hero. Get the OL retrained into the tactics employed by the great 92-95 teams.
No, but they do need a heady GM who can find starters past the first two rounds. The OL's we are taking in the mid/late rounds are busts waiting to happen.
 

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What teams currently employ 1st round running backs and where are they in the standings/playoff picture right now?
KC takes RB's in the 1st, though they lucked into a gem w/ Pacheco so now their 1st rounder is a backup, Clyde Edwards/Helaire.

BALT paid Henry, so they value RB's.

Previous playoff team SF paid a king's ransome for McCaffrey.

It's a fan thing that RB's have no value. NFL teams do not feel that way. Bijuan was well worth his 8th pick in the draft.
 

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What teams currently employ 1st round running backs and where are they in the standings/playoff picture right now?
This is off the top of my head, there may be others:

Josh Jacobs--Vikings
Saquon Barkley--Philly
Derrick Henry--Ravens
Christian McCaffery--49ers
Jahmyr Gibbs--Lions
Najee Harris--Steelers
Bijan Robinson--Falcons
Ezekiel Elliott--Cowboys

And for good measure, from the second round:

James Cook--Bills
Jonathan Taylor--Colts
Kenneth Walker III--Seahawks
Nick Chubb--Browns

Most of these teams are in the playoffs. When McCaffery is healthy for a season the 49ers are always in. When Zeke was young we were always a threat.
 

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Does a stud RB do it all without a great OL or does a great OL make a average RB look good?

Would Derrick Henry have done better than Rico Dowdle? For sure, because he is a stud RB. Rico is a quality backup, a complimentary back, but is not impact player. He has no runs over 25 yards. A stud sizzling RB would make this Cowboys team much better.

In 1988, a terrible Cowboys team, Herschel walker led the NFC in rushing. That is because a young Herschel transcended any sub-par OL. He was an elite RB.

When Jimmy Johnson took over in 1989, he asked his new OL coach to evaluate his inherited OL. Tony Wise said that Mark Tuinei and Nate Newton were talented, but the technique used was bad, that RT Kevin Gogan was too slow to start at RT ( he did start on one winning Super Bowl Cowboy team at guard and left as a free agent for very good career with Raiders), that center Tom Rafferty was overwhelmed at center. Yet with all these weaknesses, Herschel led the NFC in rushing with over 1500 yards in a full 16 game schedule with 50 pass catches.

The Boys do not need all high draft picks to establish a great OL. Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei were both free agents, Stepnoski and Erik Williams were 3rd rounders; Larry Allen was a 2nd rounder. They need great coaching and time to develop. Doug Free as a 4th rounder who became a solid starter for many years, but he did not start in his first two years while he developed. Perhaps the current RT would make a very good guard, Guyton goes to RT, and Asim Richards in his 3rd year starts on the left side.

A thorough re-evaluation of the BOY's OL is necessary.

Perhaps a back with breakaway speed who can come up with some big impact plays, as opposed to the grind it out Dowdle, will make the OL better, open more space for Ferguson and the Cowboys' receivers.

I saw how the 1976 Cowboys were missing an impact RB. Adding Tony Dorsett dramatically changed their offense. He was a feared home run hitter who hit homers. Today's Cowboy team has one home run hitter, in Lamb. Dowdle is a singles hitter. Would Dak have had a great rookie season without a young Zeke?

With all of the above said, there is one player in the draft who can provide instant stud offense as a rookie, who is superb at breaking tackles, yards after contact, with breakaway speed, durable, and light years above any other impact offensive player. He is built like Emmitt Smith with far greater speed. He comes from the potato state program the Boys are enamored with, Ashton Jeanty.

Now there will be a team that may trade above our slot to grab him just to rub it in that the Boys are in a steep decline, so all the talk of the draft should be on stud defensive linemen and talk that good RB's can be had in later rounds.

The rebuilding of this team starts with a sizzling, impact offensive threat who will make our less than top end QB not need to be the hero. Get the OL retrained into the tactics employed by the great 92-95 teams.
It’s both and has always been both.

Jeanty makes the cowboys a much better, more dynamic offense.
 

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Oline is getting better. Very good Olineman can be found in the middle rounds. What we need is a better Oline coach. Rico Dowdle is proving he's a legit starting RB who needs a good mid-round backup RB. Yesterday's game exposed what we truly need: another legit weapon at WR in case CeeDee goes down once again due to injury.
You lost me with Rico being a legit starting RB. He should be the backup to a RB with better speed and burst.
 

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You lost me with Rico being a legit starting RB. He should be the backup to a RB with better speed and burst.
Trade down in the 1st round. Get a 4th round pick. Use that 4th round pick on this ex-WR turned RB...

SMU: Brashard Smith. 5'10", 196 lbs, 4.41 40 speed.



Best burst, excellent cutting ability, quickness and very good speed out of this upcoming 2025 Draft.
 
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