Oline was brutal today...

[newlander]

They were just ridiculous today. Free played decent, Smith was OK and the rest........:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: ..........Tony and his issues frustrate all of us, but Red or even Jerrah won't come out and tell the truth because they won't throw this oline under the bus. Costa, Kosier and Nagy(yeah, I know he's out now) are god AWFUL. The interior 3 should flat be replaced next season. Today proved it guys: that defense was dead last and was jailbreaking us all 4th qtr. living in the backfield. Really forced Red to call runs. Can't trust Romo for sure, but a big reason is the Oline: they flat out suck balls. NO talent IMHO...Houck is old and has nothing to work with. Better revamp that mother next season or......we are looking at .500 again: which is about where we'll finish this season. (8-8)



Lastly.....Myself and about 100 other posters on this board were worried sick about this before the season. KNEW it would be a problem, but Jerrah and his brain trust.....thought somehow Costa, Nagy and Kosier were gonna work out? That's just .......depressing that they are that dumb.

 

[Falcon554]

There horrible just horrible, worse line I have seen here in years

 

[cbow44]

even when they pulled and had a d-back all alone they seemed to whiff. It was really bad.

 

[Eskimo]

We'll only go as far as our OL let's us go.

If Jerry were to consider a trade before the deadline, get us a talented OG off someone else's roster. Maybe one of the teams in the Luck sweepstakes will want to get weaker to better their chances. It wouldn't hurt to call around.

Maybe one of them would be happy to take back Arkin and a 4th rounder for a guy going into a contract year?

It's worth a try.

 

[newlander]

We'll only go as far as our OL let's us go.

If Jerry were to consider a trade before the deadline, get us a talented OG off someone else's roster. Maybe one of the teams in the Luck sweepstakes will want to get weaker to better their chances. It wouldn't hurt to call around.

Maybe one of them would be happy to take back Arkin and a 4th rounder for a guy going into a contract year?

It's worth a try.

..they GOTTA churn if Dockery isn't ready: and I don't think he is. Need help at guard NOW:bang2:

 

[Eskimo]

..they GOTTA churn if Dockery isn't ready: and I don't think he is. Need help at guard NOW:bang2:

Nagy will go on the IR.

We probably should release Buehler and give him an injury settlement.

That should free up two spots to go out and get an OG. Maybe bring in a vet and try to steal someone off a PS for the future.

 

[dmq]

I think they were pretty good for the most part on pass blocking. Running wasn't good, but why would you run inside on Wilfolk?

 

[casmith07]

Disagree. I think they did a pretty good job with pass protection given the Pats had 500lb Wilfork pushing the pocket.

They haven't been good run blocking all year though. I'm not sure if it's coaching or they just aren't very strong yet because they're so young, but they have to get better in that area.

That was one benefit from having road-graders like Gurode, Davis, and Colombo along the line.

 

[Eskimo]

Disagree. I think they did a pretty good job with pass protection given the Pats had 500lb Wilfork pushing the pocket.

They haven't been good run blocking all year though. I'm not sure if it's coaching or they just aren't very strong yet because they're so young, but they have to get better in that area.

That was one benefit from having road-graders like Gurode, Davis, and Colombo along the line.

Until 2010 you could run very well behind Gurode and Davis except on the goalline.

In the latter half of 2009 the combination of Davis and Free was excellent in the running game.

I think our current running attack doesn't suit our OL well. We should be running more stretch plays and more counters to make use of their quickness.

Maybe Houck just doesn't know how to make the most of what he has here?

 

[shockandroll]

Disagree. I think they did a pretty good job with pass protection given the Pats had 500lb Wilfork pushing the pocket.

They haven't been good run blocking all year though. I'm not sure if it's coaching or they just aren't very strong yet because they're so young, but they have to get better in that area.

That was one benefit from having road-graders like Gurode, Davis, and Colombo along the line.

I agree but our run blocking has not been good in years. I'm starting to think it's the scheme.

 

[Eskimo]

I agree but our run blocking has not been good in years. I'm starting to think it's the scheme.

It may partly be the scheme but it's definitely mostly the players.

Gurode is a backup (so much for last year's Pro Bowl), Bigg is unemployed and Colombo should be put out to pasture.

On this year's OL Kosier looks way worse than last year, Nagy has been bad and I think the rapid weight gain has affected Smith's balance when he is on the move. I think this same group will look much better next year. Having said that I hope we add one above average starter to the mix on the inside.

I also suspect Houck is done as an OL coach.

 

[Prossman]

the bottom line is were are very young on the oline with 3 startes that had a total of 1 game starting experience. Yes they do need to get stronger and they will. Im not saying we are done adding pieces but we have a good young group. We just have to deal with thier lack of experience atleast for now. prossman

 

[Future]

I think they were pretty good for the most part on pass blocking. Running wasn't good, but why would you run inside on Wilfolk?

Because statistically, that's where the Pats struggle.

 

[Future]

Until 2010 you could run very well behind Gurode and Davis except on the goalline.

In the latter half of 2009 the combination of Davis and Free was excellent in the running game.

I think our current running attack doesn't suit our OL well. We should be running more stretch plays and more counters to make use of their quickness.

Maybe Houck just doesn't know how to make the most of what he has here?

It seemed like we were doing too much of the stretch and counters with Gurode and Bigg who couldn't move. Now that we have a more athletic OLine, it seems like JG has gone to more of a power run game at times :laugh2:

I haven't looked too closely, but that kinda seems like what's going on.

 

[supercowboy8]

Lets start here, I have been saying this for weeks about this OL and people just keep making excuses for them. Glad people are finally seeing how this OL really is.
Free started off bad but when the game went along got alot better and had a great 2nd half.

Nagy was getting pushed around all game until he broke his ankle.

Costa well, like I have been saying all year, sucks and has no ability. Got pushed back many times and even once one on one with a LB. Costa always needs extra help and makes him a liability. Costa isn't getting any better and needs to be replaced, I don't see anything in his play that says he will get any better.

Koiser plays with great technique but thats it, has no power. I have never been a fan of his, I like my OL to be able to get their hands on someone and manhandle them. Koiser is the best we have so what can we do.

Smith played ok, he had three real bad plays. One got us killed on a run, one where he got owned and got Romo killed on a sack, and then a real bad hold.

Free can't be Free of last year due to having Nagy next to him and having to always try and help him out. You put Koiser next to Free and you would have the Free of last year. Next year I think Free will be moved to RT.

LG next year will most likely be Koiser with Smith moving to LT. Kepp developing Arkin and Nagy to replace Koiser at LG. Both have good technique just need NFL power and strength, but I don't see either having RG power.

C needs to be either a veteran or a very good rookie early draft pick. Teams in the NFL today are drafting interior OL earlier and earlier in the draft and their is a reason for it, guys in the 5th-7th rounds just aren't ready. Give me Konz or Brewster in the first two rounds and have a pro bowl caliber Center for years.

RG needs to have power. Nagy, Koiser, and Arkin do not have it and you can't get NFL power in one offseason. Need to get a RG in the draft. Zeitler would be nice, DeCastro would be excellent. We could get a veteran but over spending with FA OL last few years have probably burnt Jerry.

RT next year should be Free with Smith moving to LT.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I have been saying this as well, out 3 interior OL are not very good. The only thing they have on last year's oline is that they are cheaper.

Costa is not a very good Center, no matter how much Jerry tells us he beat out Gurode. Nagy wasn't even a starter in College, and we expect him to be a starter in the NFL? Kozier is playing out of position and is a little long in the tooth. Arkin is another one of those projects that the Cowboys spend a 4th or fifth round draft choice because he is a good athlete, from a small school that needs to get stronger and NFL coaching, (a project).

Blame Romo, or Garrett or whoever you want, but until the Cowboys make an effort to get some real OL, nothing will change.

BTW, read Vela's analysis:http://www.cowboyszone.com/2011/10/patriots-20-cowboys-16-execution-will.html

 

[casmith07]

Until 2010 you could run very well behind Gurode and Davis except on the goalline.

In the latter half of 2009 the combination of Davis and Free was excellent in the running game.

I think our current running attack doesn't suit our OL well. We should be running more stretch plays and more counters to make use of their quickness.

Maybe Houck just doesn't know how to make the most of what he has here?

I agree. We saw success with how quickly Murray and Felix can get outside by running stretch plays and tosses.

Hopefully Jason & Co. see that in the film room and take it to the Rams next week. They aren't exactly known for lateral quickness, let alone defense at all. We shouldn't have to throw it more than 25 times next week.

 

[casmith07]

I agree but our run blocking has not been good in years. I'm starting to think it's the scheme.

I think the run blocking was good until the end of seasons when our big uglies wore down.

Obviously last year they were shot, particularly Colombo and his legs.

 

[Garland powerplay]

Seemed more like romo holding the ball cause noone was open. Running game is not great. How many sacks? I remember only 1. The Oline wasnt to blame but more on coach playcalling and QB was the problem like other 2 losses.

 

[supercowboy8]

Seemed more like romo holding the ball cause noone was open. Running game is not great. How many sacks? I remember only 1. The Oline wasnt to blame but more on coach playcalling and QB was the problem like other 2 losses.

How was the QB the problem. Romo had a good game. The OL did ok in pass pro but run blocking was horrible. Plus all the penalties the OL had made them even worse.