One fact overlooked in draft discussion

[CowboysPhan]

Guys, I know that mocks and discussion of the draft is all speculation and fun and everything, but after reading a bunch of this on the board, I notice that most of you are forgetting something about Jerry's drafts the past few years. Everyone is debating which cb, wr, or rb we'll take with our first three picks, but I don't feel all that sure that we'll take either of these. How many picks have we all been totally ticked off about in recent years because we picked position x when what we needed was position y? Jerry has really made a habit of picking "the best player available" according to the cowboys' draft board, rather than the best player at the position we need most. Haven't you all noticed him passing by players everyone wanted him to take because it "just wasn't good value at that pick?" And the whole Cowboys nation has a meltdown because "we didn't need another tight end/linebacker/offensive lineman" with that pick! "What we really needed there was a wr/cb/rb, etc!" The point is, don't expect Jerry to pick the best cb, or the best wr, or the best rb at pick 22 if he thinks there is better value there at linebacker or d-line or something. The funny thing is, we all talk all the time about how we don't want him to reach for positions of need, but instead take the BPA. Then when he doesn't draft for need, we lose our minds! Anyway, this is not a lecture, we can lose our minds if we want to, I just wanted to point out that Jerry hasn't made a habit of picking the position we think he will, so why would he this time?:rake:

 

[Doomsday101]

Guys, I know that mocks and discussion of the draft is all speculation and fun and everything, but after reading a bunch of this on the board, I notice that most of you are forgetting something about Jerry's drafts the past few years. Everyone is debating which cb, wr, or rb we'll take with our first three picks, but I don't feel all that sure that we'll take either of these. How many picks have we all been totally ticked off about in recent years because we picked position x when what we needed was position y? Jerry has really made a habit of picking "the best player available" according to the cowboys' draft board, rather than the best player at the position we need most. Haven't you all noticed him passing by players everyone wanted him to take because it "just wasn't good value at that pick?" And the whole Cowboys nation has a meltdown because "we didn't need another tight end/linebacker/offensive lineman" with that pick! "What we really needed there was a wr/cb/rb, etc!" The point is, don't expect Jerry to pick the best cb, or the best wr, or the best rb at pick 22 if he thinks there is better value there at linebacker or d-line or something. The funny thing is, we all talk all the time about how we don't want him to reach for positions of need, but instead take the BPA. Then when he doesn't draft for need, we lose our minds! Anyway, this is not a lecture, we can lose our minds if we want to, I just wanted to point out that Jerry hasn't made a habit of picking the position we think he will, so why would he this time?:rake:

I think Dallas has looked for BPA who fill needs. I think Spencer was just that especially with Ellis status being unclear at the time. I think many get mad when the 1 guy they wanted was not selected

 

[skinsscalper]

And, actually, if you look at JONES' draft tendencies (rather than Parcells'), Jerry drafts for need almost to a fault.

I wouldn't mind an even balance between Parcells' style and Jerry's. Parcells would take a TE on a team that has two in the Pro Bowl rather than draft a guy that you need who projects to go 5 spots down from where you pick. Jones on the other hand will draft a guy for need a full 20 picks ahead of where he's projected to go because he goes into panic mode about what player MAY be available at his slot to fill a team need.

I think Jerry is getting closer and closer to the guy I'm comfortable with running the draft. I think he's learned to trust his scouting department, and value input from his coaching staff. To make things an even more perfect scenario: This year all of our real need areas fall to us right about where we are drafting. The CB class is one of the best I have seen in years. RBs? Ditto. We have three picks in the first 60 slots. Hell, three of the top 60 players coming out of ANY draft is good, but in a draft that's knee deep in exactly what we need it's a Godsend.

 

[CowboysPhan]

Yes, I agree that Jerry's tendencies in the past were to reach, and I also agree with your asssessment of Parcell's style. Hopefully we see a nice blend now, and I agree that the positions of need are right where we need them to be, just have a hard time believing that's how it'll transpire on draft day.

 

[skinsscalper]

Yes, I agree that Jerry's tendencies in the past were to reach, and I also agree with your asssessment of Parcell's style. Hopefully we see a nice blend now, and I agree that the positions of need are right where we need them to be, just have a hard time believing that's how it'll transpire on draft day.

I can't disagree with you there, unfortunately.

 

[burmafrd]

Honestly, I have never subscribed to the BS thought that you should not pick a guy you want at say #41 if he is not in your top 50. If you think the guy is going to be a player WHO CARES where he is picked. If you pick him a round EARLY who CARES? Look at the 6th and 7th rd picks like Ratlif that have really performed for us. Would anyone care if we had picked the rat in the 5th rd NOW?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Honestly, I have never subscribed to the BS thought that you should not pick a guy you want at say #41 if he is not in your top 50. If you think the guy is going to be a player WHO CARES where he is picked. If you pick him a round EARLY who CARES? Look at the 6th and 7th rd picks like Ratlif that have really performed for us. Would anyone care if we had picked the rat in the 5th rd NOW?

our draft strategy doesn't put players on their board by pick, they do it by value, so I wouldn't worry about anymore Quincy Carter picks

they do a horizontal board as opposed to a vertical one

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The players we need are CB, WR and possibly RB and safety (for depth).

These are positions that take at least a year to learn, NFL-wise.

So I don't look to the draft for those three key positions because the 'Boys need immediate help.

They will come in FA, I hope.

So I do think Jerra will look for OL and DLs in the draft. However, if McFadden for some reason suddenly seems possible, he might go all out to join the RB derby.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The players we need are CB, WR and possibly RB and safety (for depth).

These are positions that take at least a year to learn, NFL-wise.

So I don't look to the draft for those three key positions because the 'Boys need immediate help.

They will come in FA, I hope.

So I do think Jerra will look for OL and DLs in the draft. However, if McFadden for some reason suddenly seems possible, he might go all out to join the RB derby.

:laugh2: I love schtick

 

[EPL0c0]

Guys, I know that mocks and discussion of the draft is all speculation and fun and everything, but after reading a bunch of this on the board, I notice that most of you are forgetting something about Jerry's drafts the past few years. Everyone is debating which cb, wr, or rb we'll take with our first three picks, but I don't feel all that sure that we'll take either of these. How many picks have we all been totally ticked off about in recent years because we picked position x when what we needed was position y? Jerry has really made a habit of picking "the best player available" according to the cowboys' draft board, rather than the best player at the position we need most. Haven't you all noticed him passing by players everyone wanted him to take because it "just wasn't good value at that pick?" And the whole Cowboys nation has a meltdown because "we didn't need another tight end/linebacker/offensive lineman" with that pick! "What we really needed there was a wr/cb/rb, etc!" The point is, don't expect Jerry to pick the best cb, or the best wr, or the best rb at pick 22 if he thinks there is better value there at linebacker or d-line or something. The funny thing is, we all talk all the time about how we don't want him to reach for positions of need, but instead take the BPA. Then when he doesn't draft for need, we lose our minds! Anyway, this is not a lecture, we can lose our minds if we want to, I just wanted to point out that Jerry hasn't made a habit of picking the position we think he will, so why would he this time?:rake:

I'll tell you what's gettin' over looked.. the beast that is UTEP saftey Quintin Demps!!

 

[L-O-Jete]

our draft strategy doesn't put players on their board by pick, they do it by value, so I wouldn't worry about anymore Quincy Carter picks

they do a horizontal board as opposed to a vertical one

Could you elaborate on this?

 

[Hostile]

Guys, I know that mocks and discussion of the draft is all speculation and fun and everything, but after reading a bunch of this on the board, I notice that most of you are forgetting something about Jerry's drafts the past few years. Everyone is debating which cb, wr, or rb we'll take with our first three picks, but I don't feel all that sure that we'll take either of these. How many picks have we all been totally ticked off about in recent years because we picked position x when what we needed was position y? Jerry has really made a habit of picking "the best player available" according to the cowboys' draft board, rather than the best player at the position we need most. Haven't you all noticed him passing by players everyone wanted him to take because it "just wasn't good value at that pick?" And the whole Cowboys nation has a meltdown because "we didn't need another tight end/linebacker/offensive lineman" with that pick! "What we really needed there was a wr/cb/rb, etc!" The point is, don't expect Jerry to pick the best cb, or the best wr, or the best rb at pick 22 if he thinks there is better value there at linebacker or d-line or something. The funny thing is, we all talk all the time about how we don't want him to reach for positions of need, but instead take the BPA. Then when he doesn't draft for need, we lose our minds! Anyway, this is not a lecture, we can lose our minds if we want to, I just wanted to point out that Jerry hasn't made a habit of picking the position we think he will, so why would he this time?:rake:

So the rational sound thinking thing to do would be to focus our draft discussions on positions we do not need?

Okay, what kicker is available at 22?

 

[theogt]

Jerry has really made a habit of picking "the best player available" according to the cowboys' draft board, rather than the best player at the position we need most.

Jerry was going to pass on Brady Quinn for Anthony Spencer, even though Quinn was rated higher, because we needed an OLB more than a backup QB.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

It is fun to talk/debate about, but you are correct....noone really knows what Mr. Jones will do.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jerry was going to pass on Brady Quinn for Anthony Spencer, even though Quinn was rated higher, because we needed an OLB more than a backup QB.

you don't pick backup QBs in the 1st round

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Could you elaborate on this?

take Dominique Rogers-Cromartie for instance

they're not going to rank him the 15th best player in the draft, but as a mid-1st round talent

most draft prognosticators like Kiper have a top 100 board, which is a vertical board going down from 1-100, like a list, we have a horizontal one, where value and need is taken into consideration

 

[CF74]

I was thinking something similar to this the other day. We always want to draft certain positions (WR for example) and it never happens. It would be interesting to look at some polls of what the top needs are according to the forum each year and then see what spots got filled.

Do we have a multiple choice poll option?

These are the spots I see need in:

CB
WR
RB
QB
ILB
SS
RB

 

[ethiostar]

The players we need are CB, WR and possibly RB and safety (for depth).

These are positions that take at least a year to learn, NFL-wise.

So I don't look to the draft for those three key positions because the 'Boys need immediate help.

They will come in FA, I hope.

So I do think Jerra will look for OL and DLs in the draft. However, if McFadden for some reason suddenly seems possible, he might go all out to join the RB derby.

Unless of course you are playing for the Giants........ Steve Smith (WR), Aaron Ross (CB), and Ahmad Bradshaw (RB).

Or other 2007 rookies that have contributed significantly to thier respective teams...... outside of Adrian Peterson, ......... Marshawn Lynch (RB), Anthony Gonzalez (WR), LaRon Landry (S), Dwayne Bowe (WR), Leon Hall (CB), Derrelle Revis (CB), Reggie Nelson (S)

While i like the idea of picking up a veteran at one or two of 'need' positions, i wouldn't go as far as saying that rookies at these positions won't be ready to come in and contribute.