One More Idiot's Opinion on What's Wrong With The Cowboys

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What's wrong with the Cowboys?

1. "No Heart" players? ... nope, not really...they care, and they try.

2. Stupid Coaches? ... nope, that's not it...too easy to use that one, but it essentially results in the idiotic conclusion that Jimmy Johnson was the only real football coach we've had since Landry, and everyone else is just stupid.

Besides, Wade Phillips is a respected coach throughout the league, and could have another DC job 5 minutes after being fired. Jason Garrett is the boy genius whenever we score 30, and he's the dufus whenever the offense struggles.

3. The idiotic meddling owner, Jerry Jones? I truly never buy that one. Since Jerry Jones took over the Cowboys, we've won 3 SB's, and he has learned from his mistakes and has put together a front office that has put together a talented team that just seems to be missing something...that's a far sight better than the piss poor teams of not too many years ago. Jerry is my favorite owner ever for the Cowboys...he cares as much as we do.

He is not a meddling owner ... He's an owner who just happens to be the gm and he's a gm who is always working just like every other gm in the league. Could he do more? yes. Can he get better? yes. But try this one on for size:

Try looking at the NFL in the past decade of Dallas misery. How many gm's have been employed by the 32 NFL teams in the past 10 years? How many of those gm's won SB's? How many won a playoff game or even a SB and then tanked for the following years? Jerry hasn't brought us another winner yet..that really just makes him one of many gm's in the NFL, but he's always trying.

What's wrong with our current team? (overlooking past issues and only focusing on what's wrong right now):

I think the problem is lack of continuity and an overall game plan/game management philosophy. The offense, defense, and to some extent special teams all operate independently of each other.

Wade, (and just to make the Jerry haters happy) and Jerry, Wade Phillips needs to take the entire team by the throat and be allowed (and be willing) to set the pace for the entire team.

Look at Baltimore. Look at Pittsburgh. I think we should be following their style. When the weather's bad, when the game is close, when we're on the road, when the offense struggles or Romo is a little off, when the game is on the line, the head coach needs to be controlling everyone.

I see our defense coming around...we have the makings of a dominant defense. But in close games against Pitt and Baltimore, our offense is still coming out with guns blazing. There is a time to run the ball 3 times in a row and punt. There is a time when you're backed up at your own end, when you should swallow your pride, ignore your stars on offense, and play conservative and punt. It was exciting to see this team convert 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 20 early in the year, but to what end? It's that type of cavalier, gunslinger attitude that leads the team to think making mistakes is not that big a deal because we can convert anything.

Confidence is a great thing, but I see two teams in Baltimore and Pittsburgh that play a very conservative game on their side of the field and in close games. I've never liked Bill Parcells, but there's something to be said for playing a field position game, especially when you have a good defense and are in a close battle.

We have an explosive offense at times, but we are not running the run and shoot or the West Coast or the fun and gun or the all out spread passing attack. We are an NFC East team that must run the football, play physical, grind teams down, and go for the big plays when they are there. Unless playing from behind, we need to protect the football and be more conservative. Someone needs to control the offense at times and someone needs to dictate whether we're going to take our medicine and punt or run a draw/screen/something safe and punt if necessary...that someone is the head coach.

Jason Garrett is the offensive coordinator. Much like the problem Singletary had with Mike Martz in SF, our team cannot allow the OC to do whatever the hell he wants. It's time for Wade, as the main guy with our defense, knowing what they can do and can't do, and as the head coach, to speak up from time to time and tell Garrett to open up running or with something safe because we're deep in our end or because our defense needs a breather or we need to eat some clock or because Tony just doesn't look in sync with the receivers or because the OL isn't protecting him.

What I saw was a team that went about its business no matter what the situation was, no matter how the OL or Tony was playing...we still went balls to the wall on offense, imo...and it hurt us more times than it helped.

3rd and 18 because of a penalty? No problem, we'll pass for it...scramble around and wait for someone to break open. Exciting stuff when it works, but a butt biter when it results in a fumble, an int, or an additional penalty.

The offense and defense need to be connected to a central theme or philosophy, which is sometimes a fluid, changing thing during the game, and that needs to be set by Wade Phillips. He needs total command since it would appear his job rests on the upcoming season.

We cannot continue to operate as two different units that are not helping each other...having them play to each other's strengths and needs, playing field position and playing conservatively at times is part of building accountability and a TEAM concept, imo.

I don't think our problems are as deep or significant as others do...I really think the 3 phases need to operate more as a team, and the offense needs to have part of its philosophy set by Wade Phillips.
 

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wayne motley;2573017 said:
What's wrong with the Cowboys?


part of its philosophy set by Wade Phillips.

You answered your own question... :eek::

Otherwise, a real good post.


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wayne motley;2573017 said:
He is not a meddling owner ... He's an owner who just happens to be the gm and he's a gm who is always working just like every other gm in the league. Could he do more? yes. Can he get better? yes. But try this one on for size:

Try looking at the NFL in the past decade of Dallas misery. How many gm's have been employed by the 32 NFL teams in the past 10 years? How many of those gm's won SB's? How many won a playoff game or even a SB and then tanked for the following years? Jerry hasn't brought us another winner yet..that really just makes him one of many gm's in the NFL, but he's always trying.

Sigh. Gil LeBreton stated the obvious in today's column:

My math is fuzzy on this, but someone recently advanced the theory that in today’s balanced NFL, a franchise can reasonably expect to win a minimum 10 games in four of every 10 seasons. Anything more than that should be deemed overachieving. It also means that at least two times every 10 years, your team should have a solid chance to make the Super Bowl.

So, tell me again why Jerry Jones is the most beloved owner among the local pro sports franchise owners?

There isn’t another team in the NFL who wouldn’t fire a general manager who hadn’t won a playoff game in 12 years. But Jones, of course, won’t fire himself. He’s sworn as much.

Forgive me for again barking at the moon. There isn’t a media voice in town who hasn’t castigated Jones for not replacing himself with a "real" general manager.

It’s not that Jones isn’t a so-called "football man." I’ll grant him that. He won’t leave the team alone.

The old argument about Tex Schramm (who was a PR man and journalist) and Gil Brandt (baby photographer) not being "football men" when they started the Cowboys isn’t valid, either. Both learned their jobs well enough to become the best in the NFL at them, and they won playoff games and championships to prove it.

Jones, meanwhile, is still grasping at straws — and straw coaches — 15 years after Johnson left.
 

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wayne motley;2573017 said:
I don't think our problems are as deep or significant as others do...I really think the 3 phases need to operate more as a team
Nicely done.
 

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bbgun;2573039 said:
Sigh.


Jones, meanwhile, is still grasping at straws — and straw coaches — 15 years after Johnson left.


It's coming...just wait.

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bbgun;2573039 said:
Jones, meanwhile, is still grasping at straws — and straw coaches — 15 years after Johnson left.

Yeah, that Bill Parcells was a real "straw" coach. Didn't work out like we wanted it to. But that was a damn good hire.
 

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wayne motley;2573017 said:
The offense and defense need to be connected to a central theme or philosophy, which is sometimes a fluid, changing thing during the game, and that needs to be set by Wade Phillips. He needs total command since it would appear his job rests on the upcoming season.

We cannot continue to operate as two different units that are not helping each other...having them play to each other's strengths and needs, playing field position and playing conservatively at times is part of building accountability and a TEAM concept, imo.
Great post.

Total command is exactly right. If Wade Phillips is going to be the head coach, then he must BE the head coach of the team by example in every way imaginable. He should demonstrate total control and he should not allow anyone, whether it is the owner, assistant coaches and any player to siphon away that preceived aura of total control.

The lines of communication between general manager and head coach will never shut down, but those lines of communication should be restricted to a behind-the-scenes venue. That's how a head coach can strengthen his position with his coaches and players, namely by keeping his general manager at arms length publicly and close by in private.

Likewise, a head coach should command his coaching staff in all aspects. If the general manager has opinions about the operation of the team, his thoughts and ideas should be relayed one-on-one with his head coach and outside the coaching staff itself. The head coach can decipher and desseminate the best ideas presented to him over to his staff. Assistant coaches should be oblivious to everything but one, singular guiding voice, namely, the head coach's.

Finally, the commands of the head coach, which should have been beaten into the skulls of every player throughout mini-camps, training camp, preseason and practice, must be the sole focus of all players on gameday, 24/7/365. Whatever the head coach's gameplan may be for any particular game, it should be followed to the letter. It has to be a 100% buy-in by every player or it will certainly weaken the head coach's mandate for the team to be the best it can possibly be. That's an essential component for true team unity.

One voice. One directive. It can happen here in Dallas, but it's going to take everybody, no exceptions allowed, from the top down.
 

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DallasEast;2573069 said:
Great post.

One voice. One directive. It can happen here in Dallas, but it's going to take everybody, no exceptions allowed, from the top down.

You need to STHU...!

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(stupid cowboy fans)!
 

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Post of the week,IMO Wayne. You hit on one of the Steelers and Ravens strengths in their game management philosophy. The one strength they both have that isn't normally talked about,and makes this management philosophy possible,is their conditioning. They know that there will be stretches where their defense will be on the field for an extended time;Long enough for the "field position" battle to swing their way. It just seems to me that their defenses relish the task.This is something we don't have.
 

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bbgun;2573039 said:
There isn’t another team in the NFL who wouldn’t fire a general manager who hadn’t won a playoff game in 12 years. But Jones, of course, won’t fire himself. He’s sworn as much.

:hammer:

This has been a recurring thought of mine for the past several weeks.
 

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bbgun;2573039 said:
The old argument about Tex Schramm (who was a PR man and journalist) and Gil Brandt (baby photographer) not being "football men" when they started the Cowboys isn’t valid, either. Both learned their jobs well enough to become the best in the NFL at them, and they won playoff games and championships to prove it.

Both Tex and Gil had worked for the Rams prior to coming to the Cowboys.
 

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One of the best posts ever made on this board.

The part about throwing on 3rd and 18 made me think...they've definitely found a way to be too nonconservative.
 

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wayne motley;2573017 said:
What's wrong with the Cowboys?

1. "No Heart" players? ... nope, not really...they care, and they try.

2. Stupid Coaches? ... nope, that's not it...too easy to use that one, but it essentially results in the idiotic conclusion that Jimmy Johnson was the only real football coach we've had since Landry, and everyone else is just stupid.

Besides, Wade Phillips is a respected coach throughout the league, and could have another DC job 5 minutes after being fired. Jason Garrett is the boy genius whenever we score 30, and he's the dufus whenever the offense struggles.

3. The idiotic meddling owner, Jerry Jones? I truly never buy that one. Since Jerry Jones took over the Cowboys, we've won 3 SB's, and he has learned from his mistakes and has put together a front office that has put together a talented team that just seems to be missing something...that's a far sight better than the piss poor teams of not too many years ago. Jerry is my favorite owner ever for the Cowboys...he cares as much as we do.

He is not a meddling owner ... He's an owner who just happens to be the gm and he's a gm who is always working just like every other gm in the league. Could he do more? yes. Can he get better? yes. But try this one on for size:

Try looking at the NFL in the past decade of Dallas misery. How many gm's have been employed by the 32 NFL teams in the past 10 years? How many of those gm's won SB's? How many won a playoff game or even a SB and then tanked for the following years? Jerry hasn't brought us another winner yet..that really just makes him one of many gm's in the NFL, but he's always trying.

What's wrong with our current team? (overlooking past issues and only focusing on what's wrong right now):

I think the problem is lack of continuity and an overall game plan/game management philosophy. The offense, defense, and to some extent special teams all operate independently of each other.

Wade, (and just to make the Jerry haters happy) and Jerry, Wade Phillips needs to take the entire team by the throat and be allowed (and be willing) to set the pace for the entire team.

Look at Baltimore. Look at Pittsburgh. I think we should be following their style. When the weather's bad, when the game is close, when we're on the road, when the offense struggles or Romo is a little off, when the game is on the line, the head coach needs to be controlling everyone.

I see our defense coming around...we have the makings of a dominant defense. But in close games against Pitt and Baltimore, our offense is still coming out with guns blazing. There is a time to run the ball 3 times in a row and punt. There is a time when you're backed up at your own end, when you should swallow your pride, ignore your stars on offense, and play conservative and punt. It was exciting to see this team convert 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 20 early in the year, but to what end? It's that type of cavalier, gunslinger attitude that leads the team to think making mistakes is not that big a deal because we can convert anything.

Confidence is a great thing, but I see two teams in Baltimore and Pittsburgh that play a very conservative game on their side of the field and in close games. I've never liked Bill Parcells, but there's something to be said for playing a field position game, especially when you have a good defense and are in a close battle.

We have an explosive offense at times, but we are not running the run and shoot or the West Coast or the fun and gun or the all out spread passing attack. We are an NFC East team that must run the football, play physical, grind teams down, and go for the big plays when they are there. Unless playing from behind, we need to protect the football and be more conservative. Someone needs to control the offense at times and someone needs to dictate whether we're going to take our medicine and punt or run a draw/screen/something safe and punt if necessary...that someone is the head coach.

Jason Garrett is the offensive coordinator. Much like the problem Singletary had with Mike Martz in SF, our team cannot allow the OC to do whatever the hell he wants. It's time for Wade, as the main guy with our defense, knowing what they can do and can't do, and as the head coach, to speak up from time to time and tell Garrett to open up running or with something safe because we're deep in our end or because our defense needs a breather or we need to eat some clock or because Tony just doesn't look in sync with the receivers or because the OL isn't protecting him.

What I saw was a team that went about its business no matter what the situation was, no matter how the OL or Tony was playing...we still went balls to the wall on offense, imo...and it hurt us more times than it helped.

3rd and 18 because of a penalty? No problem, we'll pass for it...scramble around and wait for someone to break open. Exciting stuff when it works, but a butt biter when it results in a fumble, an int, or an additional penalty.

The offense and defense need to be connected to a central theme or philosophy, which is sometimes a fluid, changing thing during the game, and that needs to be set by Wade Phillips. He needs total command since it would appear his job rests on the upcoming season.

We cannot continue to operate as two different units that are not helping each other...having them play to each other's strengths and needs, playing field position and playing conservatively at times is part of building accountability and a TEAM concept, imo.

I don't think our problems are as deep or significant as others do...I really think the 3 phases need to operate more as a team, and the offense needs to have part of its philosophy set by Wade Phillips.

While I agree in many respects, the points you make are a direct reflection of our coach and GM (who is also our owner). Jerry said he was in charge of everything from jocks to socks, so I'll continue to blame him until he puts a TEAM on the field lead by a coach who is qualified, motivates and isn't undermined. This is what he did during the Jimmy era and for that I give him great credit. I also give him credit for the last 13 years of failure. No other GM would still have a job after 13 years like that even if he had won 3 Super Bowls, but we're stuck with whatever Jerry decides to do. Given his track record, I'll remain a fan but not an optimistic one.
 

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wayne motley;2573017 said:
1. "No Heart" players? ... nope, not really...they care, and they try.

You lost me here. These guys couldn’t care less about winning, the way they play is PROOF.
 

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bbgun;2573039 said:
Sigh. Gil LeBreton stated the obvious in today's column:

My math is fuzzy on this, but someone recently advanced the theory that in today’s balanced NFL, a franchise can reasonably expect to win a minimum 10 games in four of every 10 seasons. Anything more than that should be deemed overachieving. It also means that at least two times every 10 years, your team should have a solid chance to make the Super Bowl.

So, tell me again why Jerry Jones is the most beloved owner among the local pro sports franchise owners?

There isn’t another team in the NFL who wouldn’t fire a general manager who hadn’t won a playoff game in 12 years. But Jones, of course, won’t fire himself. He’s sworn as much.

Forgive me for again barking at the moon. There isn’t a media voice in town who hasn’t castigated Jones for not replacing himself with a "real" general manager.

It’s not that Jones isn’t a so-called "football man." I’ll grant him that. He won’t leave the team alone.

The old argument about Tex Schramm (who was a PR man and journalist) and Gil Brandt (baby photographer) not being "football men" when they started the Cowboys isn’t valid, either. Both learned their jobs well enough to become the best in the NFL at them, and they won playoff games and championships to prove it.

Jones, meanwhile, is still grasping at straws — and straw coaches — 15 years after Johnson left.
Exactly. Yet some fans will cling to any fantasy that includes retaining the status quo, as though it can be slightly tweaked and produce dramatically different results.

I've yet to see a single, plausible reason why Phillips, Garrett and Jones are going to turn this thing around, as Jimmy put it. 2 of the 3 have a long-standing history of being unable to do exactly that, and the other has no history of accomplishing much of anything, except plucking the heartstrings of nostalgic fans who think it'd be really cool and stuff to have a former player as our coach.
 

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Everlastingxxx;2573230 said:
You lost me here. These guys couldn’t care less about winning, the way they play is PROOF.
Nate Newton put it best a few weeks ago when he said he observed in training camp that we have several players averse to contact.

Everyone celebrated when Bruce Read was fired, but as Nate and Grady Tinker said, in training camp, Read was begging guys to listen to him, to practice, to hit somebody, and was generally ignored.

The whole franchise is poisoned from the top. They're soft and obviously feel no pressure to succeed, and in some cases, to really try. Unfortunately, most of the starters have sweet long-term deals in hand, so they have nothing beyond their own pride to motivated them right now, and that appears to be sadly lacking. I see little or no hope for improvement with the current regime. The only shot is if Jones hires real football people and gets out of their way, but that isn't happening any time soon.

More than likely, 2009's team will crater, the apologists will applaud Jones for "collecting talent", ignoring yet another squandered year.
 
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