Only so much room in the top 18

[Typhus]

We read, see and hear it every year around this time.
"No way that player will still be there at..."
"Player will be long gone by the time we pick"
etc.. etc..

We also get over loaded with fan dream mocks, showing only who we hope to draft.
I would rather see mocks done of the first round only, that included the other 18 teams ahead of us.

Starts to give you a more realistic feel of who might actually be available at 19.

There is always a player that gets pushed down, due to other players moving up.

The relative trend that is always true is edge rushers, QBs, DBs, always work their way up,
DTs, OL usually get a "cusp" push.

Wha5t I refer to as the "Cusp", is that breaking point in a draft, where higher ranked players, perceived higher ranked players, start moving back a few spots.

I believe at 19, Dallas is sitting pretty close to that cusp break, if not directly on the fault line in this years draft.

General opinion is that players like Vea, wont be there at 19, but with edge rushers like Marcus Davenport, and Arden Key moving up, it wouldn't surprise me if Vea were to be that player sitting there at 19 that shouldn't be.

 

[Dylan88Wilson]

I think Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, Barkley, Ridley, Nelson, Chubb, Smith, Ward & Fitzpatrick are all locks to go before 19. That’s 11 guys. James, Vea & Edmunds are close to locks but maybe one can get pushed down. We need guys like Hurst, Payne, Williams, McGlinchy, Jackson, Sutton and Devenport to go ahead of us, but odds are we’ll be picking out of that group or trading down into the Wynn, Hernandez, Moore, Washington range.

 

[kiheikiwi]

Brugler said about a week ago, that he has 14 first round grades this year.
Each year its about 18 - give or take.
So in my opinion its likely we will be taking a player with a second round grade at 19, unless, like you say one or two players fall.

Its also why that last game still chaps my hide, #16 would have had us closer to that cusp of first round graded players than #19 will.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Walter Football has Vea going at 17 to the Chargers. A pass rush from all angles makes this defense have teeth. It gives the kiddie corp DBs an edge. Vea looks like a guy that could make this defense solid from the inside push and improve the run defense.

How important was that eagles game now?

 

[btcutter]

Walter Football has Vea going at 17 to the Chargers. A pass rush from all angles makes this defense have teeth. It gives the kiddie corp DBs an edge. Vea looks like a guy that could make this defense solid from the inside push and improve the run defense.

How important was that eagles game now?

It's only as important as who we pick and how he turned out. We could pick a bust at 16 or 19.

 

[tm1119]

I’m having a hard time getting to 10 non QB prospects that I would take at 19 to be perfectly honest. I probably say it every year, but I’m all for trading back this year

 

[Techsass]

Its also why that last game still chaps my hide, #16 would have had us closer to that cusp of first round graded players than #19 will.[/QUOTE]

How important was that eagles game now?[/QUOTE]

JJ is a barker. How often have we seen JG's 3 8-8 seasons used derisively here? Can you imagine the hit his image would suffer after he had a 4th 8-8?

 

[TwoDeep3]

It's only as important as who we pick and how he turned out. We could pick a bust at 16 or 19.

The weak spot in that statement, and I believe you are correct to a point, is the extra players available at 16 or 15. A wider array of players moves the odds in favor of the Cowboys picking a solid player. Winning a meaningless game in the larger scheme of things was them and is now unimportant.

But then I play the long game with the NFL. If I were in charge last year and it was evident the team was sinking, around the 12th game or so I might be playing a different group of players with the draft in mind.

Now some will classify this as heresy, or a loser mentality. But to me there is one and only one factor that heralds a winning season. That is the Super Bowl. That is the goal of every team playing. So it begs the question is one season more important than a championship season.

I read an article a long time ago in the off season that stated the Baltimore Ravens had more #1 picks on their squad than any other team. I did not think much about it until the Ravens won the championship at the end of that season.

So to me building a power house team requires stocking it with play makers. Your odds of finding these types come at the top of the draft, and more specifically the top of the first round. Now people will make the case about this player and that. But it still is mathematically sound to draft at the top of rounds than further down.

But that is just me, because talent on the field is what wins.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I always enjoy beating the Eagles, especially since we were the last team to do it in 2017

 

[waving monkey]

It may be cunning to play games to lose but playing to win is a the best option for building a wining attitude. So they say.
The trading down option if my pet cats stay the same spot is a possibility.

 

[cowboyec]

I think Ridley,Vea,Smith,Edmunds,James and Davenport are off the board at 19.
My Board at that point...in no particular order
°DT Maurice Hurst,Michigan
°DT DaRon Payne,Bama
°DE Sam Hubbard,Ohio St
°OG Isaiah Wynn,Georgia
°OG Billy Price,Ohio St
°OG Will Hernandez,Utep
°WR Christian Kirk,Texas A&M

wild-cards
°WR Courtland Sutton,Smu
°LB Rashaan Evans,Alabama
°S Ronnie Harrison,Alabama
°LB Ogobonnia Okonronkwo,Ou
°DE/LB Harold Landry,Boston College

combine,pro-days and free-agency decides it.

my guess today...Hurst or Wynn.

 

[MonsterD]

Brugler said about a week ago, that he has 14 first round grades this year.
Each year its about 18 - give or take.
So in my opinion its likely we will be taking a player with a second round grade at 19, unless, like you say one or two players fall.

Its also why that last game still chaps my hide, #16 would have had us closer to that cusp of first round graded players than #19 will.

12-20 is the range for any given year, although I do remember a year with 22. I am pretty sure we will be drafting a 2nd round graded player like last year with Taco.

 

[btcutter]

Team is not built by just 1st round draft choices. A team's success usually lies from from 2-5. FAs are long shots. Problem is Cowboys hasn't done well especially with those 2nd rounders. Took too many chances on TE and injured players.

 

[beware_d-ware]

The big thing to me is that all the really high-end defenders are going to be gone. I could see Vea maybe getting pushed down to our pick, but James and Edmunds are going to vault into the stratosphere after the Combine, and tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if Vea blows it up too. And guys like Chubb and Fitzpatrick were always going to be top 10 picks.

I bet we'll get a good player, but not catch a blue chipper.

I had to guess, I'd say Roquon and Davenport are the current top 10 guys that are going to slip by March. Key is a wild card who could rise drastically, or go the Gregory route if he interviews poorly.

 

[Verdict]

We read, see and hear it every year around this time.
"No way that player will still be there at..."
"Player will be long gone by the time we pick"
etc.. etc..

We also get over loaded with fan dream mocks, showing only who we hope to draft.
I would rather see mocks done of the first round only, that included the other 18 teams ahead of us.

Starts to give you a more realistic feel of who might actually be available at 19.

There is always a player that gets pushed down, due to other players moving up.

The relative trend that is always true is edge rushers, QBs, DBs, always work their way up,
DTs, OL usually get a "cusp" push.

Wha5t I refer to as the "Cusp", is that breaking point in a draft, where higher ranked players, perceived higher ranked players, start moving back a few spots.

I believe at 19, Dallas is sitting pretty close to that cusp break, if not directly on the fault line in this years draft.

General opinion is that players like Vea, wont be there at 19, but with edge rushers like Marcus Davenport, and Arden Key moving up, it wouldn't surprise me if Vea were to be that player sitting there at 19 that shouldn't be.

Possibly so. I would feel better about it if we were sitting at #16, which is where we should have been. We will likely be just south of the Mendoza line.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Let's mock this out for S&Gs. I'm not going into this with any agenda in mind, just how I see the draft falling for each team.

CLE - Sam Darnold (need a QB, Rosen won't play for Cleveland)

NYG - Josh Rosen (need a QB)

IND - Bradley Chubb (best defender available)

CLE - Saquon Barkley (BPA)

DEN - Josh Allen (need a QB)

NYJ - Quentin Nelson (BPA)

TBB - Minkah Fitzpatrick (BPA, need DBs)

CHI - Calvin Ridley (it's a reach, but they badly need WRs)

SFO - Derwin James (need DBs, I bet he's BPA by April)

OAK - Denzel Ward (need DBs in the worst way)

MIA - Tremaine Edmunds (need LBs, probably BPA too)

CIN - Connor Williams (God knows the Bengals need better OL play)

WAS - Vita Vea (more D line talent - him and Allen would be scary)

GBP - Arden Key (pass rush help - I'll say Key rises over Davenport)

ARZ - Baker Mayfield (desperately need a QB)

BAL - Courtland Sutton (reach for a WR)

LAC - Roquon Smith (probably defensive BPA, I've heard from fans that the Chargers don't value DTs)

SEA - Isiah Wynn (huge need for OL, better fit for the ZBS than Will Hernandez)

DAL -



So at our pick, some of the big names left are:

Mo Hurst
Da'Ron Payne
Marcus Davenport
Josh Jackson
Christian Kirk
Mike McGlinchey
Will Hernandez

 

[Verdict]

The big thing to me is that all the really high-end defenders are going to be gone. I could see Vea maybe getting pushed down to our pick, but James and Edmunds are going to vault into the stratosphere after the Combine, and tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if Vea blows it up too. And guys like Chubb and Fitzpatrick were always going to be top 10 picks.

I bet we'll get a good player, but not catch a blue chipper.

I had to guess, I'd say Roquon and Davenport are the current top 10 guys that are going to slip by March. Key is a wild card who could rise drastically, or go the Gregory route if he interviews poorly.

The Georgia linebacker will probably slide. I don't think he is as good as advertised and I don't think he is going in the top 20. We will probably pass on him too, if there is a solid OT is there when we pick. Marinelli will kill the Vea pick too. There will be a lot of pissed off posters here if we pass on Smith and Vea.

 

[Dylan88Wilson]

So at our pick, some of the big names left are:

Mo Hurst
Da'Ron Payne
Marcus Davenport
Josh Jackson
Christian Kirk
Mike McGlinchey
Will Hernandez

Wiped out. I’d be looking to trade as far back as I can in the first for Moore, Washington or Hernandez.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Wiped out. I’d be looking to trade as far back as I can in the first for Moore, Washington or Hernandez.

I'd be plenty happy with Hurst, Payne, or Jackson. Haven't got around to watching McGlinchey.

 

[rkell87]

I think I'm warming up to the idea of trading out of the first round; our needs match up with the quality available in the second and third rounds. If we could make three selections in the second round it would go a long way towards fixing our most glaring weaknesses.