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Was feeling bored and thought I would pile on in the LT frenzy we have going on right now.

Free is clearly the cowboys choice to start at LT. Seems reasonable since he did a decent job on Jared Allen who is absolutley one of the best in the NFL. Free clearly is quick enough; the only question is is he strong enough to handle the best bull rushers. Only way we will know for sure will be in the games. And actually there are a lot more speed rushers so overall its of the good.

Now the caveat is of course that Free has not played more then one game at LT so you really cannot know how well he will do over a season. Once again we will have to wait and see.

The only other caveat is that one can make a case that our coaching staff is not exactly known for being able to evaluate O line all that well. Which is a sad but true fact.

That leads into the next question: the backup or swing tackle. Right now we do not have one (McQ does not count-and I doubt he ever really did. Even the year before when the Hotel was working with one arm and a badly infected hand neither McQ or Free were put in any games. The light aparently came on with Free but its still dark with McQ).

One should not count on Brewster who does not have even one NFL practice under his belt and was not considered ready to start last year anyway; or backup for that matter if it came down to it. Can we really count on him this year? Maybe if he has a great camp but you would still wonder.

Young really cannot be counted- I think the Boys were unduly impressed by him starting 50 games- in what is arguably the worst 50 game stretch the ND O line has had in half a century. Even in the down period before Lou the O line was decent to good. It sucked pretty bad in 2007, and only marginally got better the next two years. It was not all that great in 2006, either.

So that leads to the conclusion that the Boys will be looking for a vet tackle for at least this year and maybe next.

If we want real insurance then lets give up our 2011 2nd rd pick and get Gaither- he will be cheap this year as regards salary. And we can let him and Free fight it out to see who is better. At the very least we have a top grade sub for both tackles for this year. By next year we can then decide if its worth trying to sign him for longer, or let him go for Brewster if he developes as hoped. A 2011 2nd rd pick seems reasonable for extra options and one year of very good insurance.
 
If we want real insurance then lets give up our 2011 2nd rd pick and get Gaither- he will be cheap this year as regards salary. And we can let him and Free fight it out to see who is better. At the very least we have a top grade sub for both tackles for this year. By next year we can then decide if its worth trying to sign him for longer, or let him go for Brewster if he developes as hoped. A 2011 2nd rd pick seems reasonable for extra options and one year of very good insurance.

Why would Gaither come here to be a backup? He is better than either Cowboys starting tackle at this point. Again with an O Line that ranked 26th in pass protection and had a QB that gets rid of the ball quick, there is plenty of room for improvement.
 
We trade to Baltimore and Gaither has nothing to say about it. Say he can compete with Free and what argument can he make?
 
burmafrd;3377835 said:
We trade to Baltimore and Gaither has nothing to say about it. Say he can compete with Free and what argument can he make?

What is to compete about? Plug him in at either tackle and the line is better than it was. BTW I dont think this guy is a HOFer, just better than what is here now.
 
burmafrd;3377816 said:
Was feeling bored and thought I would pile on in the LT frenzy we have going on right now.

Free is clearly the cowboys choice to start at LT. Seems reasonable since he did a decent job on Jared Allen who is absolutley one of the best in the NFL. Free clearly is quick enough; the only question is is he strong enough to handle the best bull rushers. Only way we will know for sure will be in the games. And actually there are a lot more speed rushers so overall its of the good.

Now the caveat is of course that Free has not played more then one game at LT so you really cannot know how well he will do over a season. Once again we will have to wait and see.

The only other caveat is that one can make a case that our coaching staff is not exactly known for being able to evaluate O line all that well. Which is a sad but true fact.

That leads into the next question: the backup or swing tackle. Right now we do not have one (McQ does not count-and I doubt he ever really did. Even the year before when the Hotel was working with one arm and a badly infected hand neither McQ or Free were put in any games. The light aparently came on with Free but its still dark with McQ).

One should not count on Brewster who does not have even one NFL practice under his belt and was not considered ready to start last year anyway; or backup for that matter if it came down to it. Can we really count on him this year? Maybe if he has a great camp but you would still wonder.

Young really cannot be counted- I think the Boys were unduly impressed by him starting 50 games- in what is arguably the worst 50 game stretch the ND O line has had in half a century. Even in the down period before Lou the O line was decent to good. It sucked pretty bad in 2007, and only marginally got better the next two years. It was not all that great in 2006, either.

So that leads to the conclusion that the Boys will be looking for a vet tackle for at least this year and maybe next.

If we want real insurance then lets give up our 2011 2nd rd pick and get Gaither- he will be cheap this year as regards salary. And we can let him and Free fight it out to see who is better. At the very least we have a top grade sub for both tackles for this year. By next year we can then decide if its worth trying to sign him for longer, or let him go for Brewster if he developes as hoped. A 2011 2nd rd pick seems reasonable for extra options and one year of very good insurance.


You wont have to give up a second now for Gaither, right now his value is less than it was before and during the draft since alot of teams filled those needs through the draft. There is no doubt Dallas is bringing in a veteran tackle. Brewster is a pretty much a guard not a tackle in the pros, and I wouldn't have a problem bringing in Gaither or Brown and signing him to a long term deal and have one as the backup or battle for the starting role on the left side. Next year cut Columbo, move Free to the right side, and have either Brown or Gaither if those are the choices to sign play left tackle.

Cutting Flo and Columbo next year saves any money you're going to pay Gaither or Brown and then draft another tackle next year early to groom. McQ is pretty much done this year and Young is a right tackle only brought here to compete with McQ for a roster spot.
 
Well we really do not know about Free yet at LT. He was very good at RT. But I do not subscribe to the theory that he will be great at LT just because he was very good at RT. All the arguments about adjusting and being more suited to LT I view with some suspicion. I think he will be very good at LT but will need more help then the Hotel did.
 
So you're saying that we trade our 2nd round pick for Gaither to come in and compete with Free and if indeed Free proves to be the better player, we let Gaither leave -since he won't sign for backup or RT money - and lose a 2nd round pick for a backup one year LT? Lol.
 
A backup for both tackles that is Pro Bowl caliber or close to it. For one year while we see what we have and for a chance to see whats available next year I think it is very reasonable. Especially since our 2nd would almost be a 3rd if we play as well as we should this year. hopefully it would be a 64th pick.
 
Wait....this is a camouflaged *Gaither* thread? Who'd a thunk it.
It's so weird that nobody, including the team who drafted him, is willing to give up anything of note--not even salary cap room--to get a guy who's clearly so much better than the talented player we've been grooming to replace Flo for three years.

It's like this big, insolvable mystery. One that requires daily attention.
 
Gaither made the pro bowl, which while over rated is much better then what Free has done. And gaither did it at LT playing in a pretty tough division.
 
I think the Cowboys will look for veteran depth at T and S.

I wouldn't rule out a signing of a player like Atogwe, but Zoners should understand that anyone that we do sign is likely going to start out behind Ball in camp.
 
Why is everyone so down on Columbo? The guy was our favorite lineman prior to breaking his leg. He is strong and mean, just right for RT. He has played very well since he came here.

Geez, guy gets hurt and everyone forgets about him.
 
Idgit;3377858 said:
Wait....this is a camouflaged *Gaither* thread? Who'd a thunk it.
It's so weird that nobody, including the team who drafted him, is willing to give up anything of note--not even salary cap room--to get a guy who's clearly so much better than the talented player we've been grooming to replace Flo for three years.

It's like this big, insolvable mystery. One that requires daily attention.

Definitely the post of the day...

it's time to see just what football is in the players on this roster now. I don't think that Colombo suddenly has hit the wall. He just has to fully come back from another injury. His conditioning apparently has been going at normal levels as nothing negative has leaked to date. Free, has now earned the opportunity to be yet another fine Dallas offensive tackle.

This rough and upcoming training camp and Exhibition Period should give plenty game type conditioning to this offensive line group, that still has a pretty good group to work with.

I don't know, but I would rather be in the position of Dallas and fitting in a talented Free to a group of Kosier, Gurode, Davis, and Colombo...than to be in the status of Washington, Philadelphia, and the Giants. Just looking at what is really already there.
 
burmafrd;3377835 said:
We trade to Baltimore and Gaither has nothing to say about it. Say he can compete with Free and what argument can he make?

I dont know why this comes up every day. I guess maybe once the season starts and people see Free is the LT, maybe it'll end then.

They arnt going to trade for Gaither and even if they did, it wouldnt be to be "insurance". Whomever trades for him will have to sign him to a long term deal otherwise it isnt worth giving up the pick.
 
burmafrd;3377862 said:
Gaither made the pro bowl, which while over rated is much better then what Free has done. And gaither did it at LT playing in a pretty tough division.

I also was pretty disappointed that Free was not voted to the Pro Bowl after 7 starts last season. Well, really, he had about 5 before Pro Bowl voting closed, which should have been enough to get him in, if he was any freaking good.
 
burmafrd;3377862 said:
Gaither made the pro bowl, which while over rated is much better then what Free has done. And gaither did it at LT playing in a pretty tough division.

Adams, Gurode and Davis al made the probowl too, and did it playing in a tougher division.

Nobody gives them credit for it, why should anyone credit Gaither?
 
sad what the pro bowl has become. Never should have let the fans in; and should restrict voting to only players from other teams that actually play that player in that year.
 
burmafrd;3377951 said:
sad what the pro bowl has become. Never should have let the fans in; and should restrict voting to only players from other teams that actually play that player in that year.

I agree. Not that players and coaching voting is perfect but I think it is a bigger honor to be selected by your peers than by ballot stuffing fans.
 
Doomsday101;3377975 said:
I agree. Not that players and coaching voting is perfect but I think it is a bigger honor to be selected by your peers than by ballot stuffing fans.

Wait a second, doesn't everyone vote against Dallas?
 
CCBoy;3377984 said:
Wait a second, doesn't everyone vote against Dallas?

No Dallas players were going to the Pro Bowl well before fans started voting.
 

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