Our offense in the 5 playoff losses the past decade

You should break the numbers down by quarter ..... late in the 3rd and the 4th quarter is when the offense seems turns it on in the playoffs.
I'd like a breakdown of the 1st half and 2nd half stats in those games.
Zrin and Mike - it takes a lot of time to do this kind of research.

Here is the link I used for my work if you guys would like to do the research what you described. It includes every playoff game the Cowboys ever played, the box scores, stats, etc. It’s all there.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/playoffs.htm
 
Though I agree that Dak played poorly, he certainly wasn't helped by his friend, Zeke, who participated in three of the last four losses.

Against the Rams in the 2018 playoffs, Zeke had 20 carries for 47 yards. In the first 49er playoff game in the 2021 playoffs, he had 12 carries for 31 yards. Against them in 2022, he had 10 carries for 26 yards.

Even in the playoff win against the Bucs in 2022, Zeke had 13 carries for 27 yards.

In my opinion, Zeke was far more disappointing than Dak when it came to playoff performance.

Pollard did a little better in 2023, 15 carries for 56 yards.

In every one of those playoff games, Dak was forced to throw more often and in more dangerous situations due to a lack in run support.

Three of his five INTs in the last three playoff losses came on 3rd and long.

In the two close playoff losses to the 49ers, Dak had to throw 43 and 37 times respectively.

I'm not defending Dak, he didn't do anything to compensate for any other team shortcomings like the great ones do. I'm just adamantly agreeing with your primary observations. Dak requires help. This team never had his back when things weren't going good for him.

I refer, again, to Tom Brady's performance for the Bucs in the 2020 NFC championship game in which he threw INTs in three consecutive drives in the 2nd half.

Their opponent scored just 3 points off those INTs and the Bucs ended up in the Super Bowl as a result.

I am honestly hard-pressed to think of any Cowboys game in which they won despite Dak playing poorly.
early in his career Brady was carried by his D and his last Championship he was carried by his D.
 
Dallas is a frontrunner team built to win when having a lead.
Check the times the last few years the team has come back for a victory after trailing at the half.
And regarding playoffs, It's almost as though this QB is given this automatic excuse that he will start slow in playoff games.

Fake comebacks against playoff opponents whether in 2016 or 2023 or against regular season opponents like Baltimore last year do nothing but wrongly produce stats of final scores that weren't nearly as close as the final score shows.

I mean Dak threw for 400 yards in that 2 score loss in the 2023 GB playoff game.

I just don't get it not being at the minimum a 50-50 distribution of blame for both the offense and defense.

And if you wanna change the angle here to personal responsibility of blame for specific position holders GM, HC and QB...
Then with McFraud, I give Jerry 60 percent of team failure rate and McCarthy 20% and Dak 20%.
A former SB winning coach.
An MVP runnerup QB.

A little different if talking the blame piece of the pie with Garrett. He did not have McFrauds SB winning resume.
In those years and this year with Schotty, Jerry gets 70%, Dak 20% and the HC 10%.

All 3 position holders bear a percentage of blame in performing their individual job.
Regardless if Jerry hired them or drafted/acquired them.
Bob weighed the two games you are most upset about even more heavily. Removing the “trash stats”, and in the end made Dak look even worse than the stats alone provide.
 
How can the fanbase support this?
  • "In the last 3 playoff losses he had 3 TDs 5 picks. That’s awful."

You're absolutely correct. Now if you can't support your quarterback in tough times, then make sure you don't support the offensive line when they can't open holes and/or being amongst the league leaders with holding penalties, hands to the face and false starts.

I guess we have to stop supporting receivers not named Lamb for failing to create separation and getting open.

Now let toss in stopping the support for the entire defensive for the inability to stop the run. Also, our secondary has gotten fried at key times too, so I guess their support will be stripped.

Micah is our best defensive player correct?? Uh ohhh.... he disappeared in those big games too. Where are all those Micah mid-season highlights when the playoffs started?? I guess we're snatching away his support as well.

I have absolutely no problem with you for your valid reasons to stop supporting Dak. But make sure you take away the support of those others who fell short in the same games. That's all im saying.

With that said, im ALWAYS going to support Cowboys players. Because they are Dallas Cowboys players. I've had support for this team before any of the current players were on the roster and I will still support this team when everyone on our current roster has been long gone in retirement.
 
If I'm remembering this right, about 310 of those yards came AFTER the game was already decided. It was the very definition of garbage time stats, but the Dak homers tried to sell it as Dak putting the team on his back and leading them to this massive comeback. GB had already pulled their starters by that time...
Bob “deducted” those stats from Dak to allow his evaluation to be more reflective of what we saw during the game.
 
Dallas is a frontrunner team built to win when having a lead.
Check the times the last few years the team has come back for a victory after trailing at the half.
And regarding playoffs, It's almost as though this QB is given this automatic excuse that he will start slow in playoff games.

Fake comebacks against playoff opponents whether in 2016 or 2023 or against regular season opponents like Baltimore last year do nothing but wrongly produce stats of final scores that weren't nearly as close as the final score shows.

I mean Dak threw for 400 yards in that 2 score loss in the 2023 GB playoff game.

I just don't get it not being at the minimum a 50-50 distribution of blame for both the offense and defense.

And if you wanna change the angle here to personal responsibility of blame for specific position holders GM, HC and QB...
Then with McFraud, I give Jerry 60 percent of team failure rate and McCarthy 20% and Dak 20%.
A former SB winning coach.
An MVP runnerup QB.

A little different if talking the blame piece of the pie with Garrett. He did not have McFrauds SB winning resume.
In those years and this year with Schotty, Jerry gets 70%, Dak 20% and the HC 10%.

All 3 position holders bear a percentage of blame in performing their individual job.
Regardless if Jerry hired them or drafted/acquired them.
Responsibility, no matter what, does not delegate down. Coach, that belongs to you.

This group of coaches know responsible and leadership well. I'm not worry about accountable, except for some crying in some fans to measure out blame. This is a sport first off.
 
One thing we've lacked in the playoffs recently is receivers that can get consistent separation.

9ers game was the worst.
 
You're absolutely correct. Now if you can't support your quarterback in tough times, then make sure you don't support the offensive line when they can't open holes and/or being amongst the league leaders with holding penalties, hands to the face and false starts.

I guess we have to stop supporting receivers not named Lamb for failing to create separation and getting open.

Now let toss in stopping the support for the entire defensive for the inability to stop the run. Also, our secondary has gotten fried at key times too, so I guess their support will be stripped.

Micah is our best defensive player correct?? Uh ohhh.... he disappeared in those big games too. Where are all those Micah mid-season highlights when the playoffs started?? I guess we're snatching away his support as well.

I have absolutely no problem with you for your valid reasons to stop supporting Dak. But make sure you take away the support of those others who fell short in the same games. That's all im saying.

With that said, im ALWAYS going to support Cowboys players. Because they are Dallas Cowboys players. I've had support for this team before any of the current players were on the roster and I will still support this team when everyone on our current roster has been long gone in retirement.
Been a plus 50 year fan myself.
But I've learned to just separate myself as an equal opportunity hater of the 3 most important position holders who have failed at their jobs for long periods of time. And if honest with yourself, these 3 current position holders of GM, HC and QB will not be leading this team to a championship.

Once you can learn to accept that big picture reality then everything else falls into place.
 
If I'm remembering this right, about 310 of those yards came AFTER the game was already decided. It was the very definition of garbage time stats, but the Dak homers tried to sell it as Dak putting the team on his back and leading them to this massive comeback. GB had already pulled their starters by that time...

Exactly, almost all of those passing yards was when GB put in the 2nd string and then dak lit them up. Which goes back to what we have all been saying, reaching the playoffs is his ceiling
 
Responsibility, no matter what, does not delegate down. Coach, that belongs to you.

This group of coaches know responsible and leadership well. I'm not worry about accountable, except for some crying in some fans to measure out blame. This is a sport first off.
Exactly.
Each individual has a certain personal responsibility to perform their job and are accountable for that job performance.

Just because Jerry Jones hired or drafted them does not make Jerry personally responsible for coaching or quarterbacking failures in the playoffs.

The former SB winning HC and MVP runnerup QB are still both insividually responsible for their job regardless if Jerry hired or drafted them.

Thanks for helping prove my point that personal responsibility does not delegate down.
 
Been a plus 50 year fan myself.
But I've learned to just separate myself as an equal opportunity hater of the 3 most important position holders who have failed at their jobs for long periods of time. And if honest with yourself, these 3 current position holders of GM, HC and QB will not be leading this team to a championship.

Once you can learn to accept that big picture reality then everything else falls into place.

I'm very honest with myself and have no problem with the 3 positions you feel isn't going to lead us to a championship. I just feel you left out many other positions as well that wouldn't lead us to a championship.

Once you learn that the most successful teams all have the same thing in common. They're dominate in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

History has proven that you can win a Superbowl with a decent quarterback. History has proven that you can win a Superbowl with a decent coach.

But you can't be just decent in the trenches, you have to be GREAT in the trenches to win Superbowls.

You show me great offensive production, I guarantee the offensive line is top 5 at the minimum. You show me a great defense/defensive backfield, I guarantee the defensive line is top 5 at a minimum.

The best teams are solid in the trenches on both sides of the ball, no just one side.
 
Dak is mostly responsible for the offenses failure in the playoffs. The solution? Get more receivers and let him pass more. I mean..............
 
You're absolutely correct. Now if you can't support your quarterback in tough times, then make sure you don't support the offensive line when they can't open holes and/or being amongst the league leaders with holding penalties, hands to the face and false starts.

I guess we have to stop supporting receivers not named Lamb for failing to create separation and getting open.

Now let toss in stopping the support for the entire defensive for the inability to stop the run. Also, our secondary has gotten fried at key times too, so I guess their support will be stripped.

Micah is our best defensive player correct?? Uh ohhh.... he disappeared in those big games too. Where are all those Micah mid-season highlights when the playoffs started?? I guess we're snatching away his support as well.

I have absolutely no problem with you for your valid reasons to stop supporting Dak. But make sure you take away the support of those others who fell short in the same games. That's all im saying.

With that said, im ALWAYS going to support Cowboys players. Because they are Dallas Cowboys players. I've had support for this team before any of the current players were on the roster and I will still support this team when everyone on our current roster has been long gone in retirement.
I support a player until he gives me real good reasons not to
Diggs 'business decisions' is coming close to me writing him off

I will never BLINDLY support anyone
 
In my prior thread I shared a look at how our defense fared in the 5 playoff losses of this decade. It wasn’t pretty. In short, unable to stop the run, 52% 3rd down conversion rate, 4 sacks in 5 games, and the defense gave up points in 4 of those 5 games before the offense touched the field.

Four BIG points I want to make before diving in.
  1. The 5 playoff losses are not 100% on the defense nor 100% the offense. It’s mix of both. IMO anyone who plays the “all or nothing game” is refusing to look beyond their own biases. None of this is “all or nothing”.
  2. Most people don’t want to read a long post like this - I understand that. But if we want a FAIR discussion, it requires more than a line or two.
  3. I’m not a “Dak fan” nor a “Dak hater”. I’m a Cowboys fan. I agree that’s he’s overpaid and would rather have a better QB. But JJ is the one who who has paid him TWICE. I will criticize him when he deserves it and give credit when he earns it.
  4. Keep it civil in here. You’re welcome to disagree with me or anyone. As long as you leave out the trolling, insults and name calling that often accompany these discussions.
Now let’s look at the offense’s performance, and the QB who led it. It’s not exactly beautiful either. Before I do that, here are the results of the 5 playoff losses in the last decade:
  • 2016 L 34-31 vs packers in divisional round at home.
  • 2018 L 30-22 vs rams in divisional round on the road.
  • 2021 L 23-17 vs niners in wild card round at home.
  • 2022 L 19-12 vs niners in divisional round on the road.
  • 2023 L 48-32 vs packers in wild card round at home.
So let’s look at offensive performance in those 5 losses:
  • Avg scoring by the offense in those 5 losses is 23 points ppg. (Defense was 31). If you take the GB loss last yr out as an outlier, we averaged 21 ppg. Not great but not bad either.
  • Total yard avg is 367 but taking the garbage yards from the last GB game, it’s 331. Again, not great but not awful. (20 yds per game taken out by sack losses)
  • Running game: Offense avg exactly 100 yards pg in those 5 losses. Two of them we had less than 80 yards. (The defense avg 157 yds pg)
  • Passing game: Dak averaged 287 yds passing pg. But if you take the 403 yds out from the last GB game as an outlier, he avg 257 yds per game)
  • 3rd down conversions total in 5 losses: 27/66 for 41% conversion rate, which is about average for NFL. (Our defense allowed a 52% conversion rate, which is terrible in playoffs)
  • Sacks allowed: in the 5 losses, the OL allowed 13 sacks. (In those same 5 games, the defense only had 4 sacks)
  • Turnovers: The offense had 6 turnovers, all 6 are INTs. Of those 6 INTs, 4 of them occurred in the last two playoff losses at SF and at home to GB. Dak was terrible in the first half of the GB game. Just horrible. Those two INTs in the first half sealed our fate. BUT, the defense was horrible too.
There are many other categories in offensive performance like TOP, yards per play, etc. I tried to just stick to the bigger stat numbers.

My final take on the offensive performance led by Dak is this:
  • Dak’s performance in the last two losses were really bad. Four of his six INTs happened in the last two playoff losses to GB and SF.
  • Dak’s performance in the first two losses - at home to GB and on the road at rams were actually pretty good. In those first two losses he had 4 TDs and 1 INT.
  • In the last 3 playoff losses he had 3 TDs 5 picks. That’s awful.
  • The offense has been up and down in these losses. The sack numbers weren’t good and the running game has been below average.
So on the whole IMO if I’m being objective and give a % of fault in these 5 losses, I would have to give the defense 60% and the offense (and Dak) 40%. As I said in the opening, it’s never 100% on one person.

Unless we want to say it’s mostly the GM who can’t seem to understand if you have an above average QB, he can’t carry you. You need a running game and a defense and we’ve had neither.
Like I posted prior, our "high octane" offense scored 7 or less points in the first half of 4 of those 5 games and I'd be i interested to know the Red Zone percentage in those games.

I have always maintained that those 3-4 years of having a weak schedule by virtue of a weak NFC really skewed our rankings both offensively and defensively and the playoff performances seem to bear it out
 
Like I posted prior, our "high octane" offense scored 7 or less points in the first half of 4 of those 5 games and I'd be i interested to know the Red Zone percentage in those games.

I have always maintained that those 3-4 years of having a weak schedule by virtue of a weak NFC really skewed our rankings both offensively and defensively and the playoff performances seem to bear it out
Looking back on the last decade, one of the biggest problems with this team IMO is this collection of players was overrated. There were times in the last decade it was top 6-8. But the playoffs are the ultimate test of what your team truly is.

And the playoffs showed that our Cowboys have not been one of the best 4 teams. That’s even true over 30 years. We just haven’t been as good as many thought or even as our record showed.
 
Looking back on the last decade, one of the biggest problems with this team IMO is this collection of players was overrated. There were times in the last decade it was top 6-8. But the playoffs are the ultimate test of what your team truly is.

And the playoffs showed that our Cowboys have not been one of the best 4 teams. That’s even true over 30 years. We just haven’t been as good as many thought or even as our record showed.
exactly but since the GM isnt held to any standard of winning by the owner we are stuck on a losing tread mill.
 
Yeah I would agree with the 60/40 split there Bobhaze. A lot of things are true about Dak Prescott. He is not solely responsible for lack of playoff success but playing at his best either. .
 

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