Our offense is more to blame this season than our defense

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Points/drive and Points allowed/drive are better measures of how effectively each unit is playing on their own. Obviously, factors like field position and turnovers come into play where one side of the ball can make things a lot easier or a lot harder on the other, so even then, points isn't all that great a measure, but at least you're then looking at effectiveness adjusted for the number of series and you have more data than just the 10 games to consider. From what I've seen, we have problems in both areas. Offensively because of the recent third down conversion problems and defensively because we can't stop any good QB from throwing the ball at will and are reliant on red zone defense and takeaways (which normally, I'd love, but combined with the not-stopping-anybody-through-the-air bit aren't helping us enough).
 

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You're line of thinking is so flawed and it comes across very absurd.

That means our offense is more responsible for our mediocre season than our historically bad defense is. And who's the leader of our offense? You guessed it... Mr. Romo. If he's not a major part of the problem, I don't know who is.

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again, this is how absurd you sound. We have one of the worst passing defenses in NFL history, correct? "And who's the leader of our defense? You guessed it..." Mr. Sean Lee. "If he's not a major part of the problem, I don't know who is." That's how you sound, straight asinine. Those guys bring a lot more to the table then their flaws, so yes they have a hand in the problem, but it's just so miniscule compared to everyone else.
 

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Overall, the point of my thread, I'm not saying the defense isn't awful.
They're not "awful", no, they're much worse.

I'm saying we know we're an offensive team. We have what many consider a near-elite QB and we have lots of offensive weapons.
But are we really an offensive team? Our offensive talent is highly over rated, if you dig deeper we're really not that much of a juggernaut on offense. We're an inexperienced offense with a lot of young talent, which comes with a ton of growing pains. Don't believe me? See what Brady has done with his young inexperienced WR's, I'll give you a hint, it's not pretty.

This is our offensive weapons right now - Murray? Can't stay healthy, and he's also very inconsistent. Miles? Please, can't stay healthy and even when he does he has zero burst. Williams? The rookie who constantly has drops every game, and also makes bone headed mistakes. Witten? The HoF TE who's a shell of his former self and is honestly probably hurting us more then helping. Harris? When the dude is in all he does is drop balls, though he's a beast on return. Cole Beasley? Another very inexperienced WR, though his future does look promising. Dez Bryant? A very young and immensely talented WR who's route running is sub-par at best, he's also had CRUCIAL drops this year. So where is this offense you're talking about? The only one who's a legit threat RIGHT NOW is Dez, and half the time he's taken out of games. And I'm not even going to talk about our other TE's, they're non existent.


Every team has an identity and every team has its flaws. Your identity is the best way to win in spite of your flaws. The Broncos, Saints, Packers, Patriots have great offenses. They wouldn't be in Super Bowl contention every year because of their defense. As long as their defense is "good enough" they have a chance to win.


And all those teams you mentioned have a better defense, better running game, better coaching, and a better supporting cast then Romo, and it's not even close. Heck, look at what New England is doing right now without Brady. He's been terrible for the most part of the year, yet they're 7-2 winning games with great coaching, a great running game, and also a great defense. None of which can be said for Dallas.
 

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I think it's as simple as the OL being healthy on the offensive side of the ball. The same, I think, can be said for the defense but since we have never really been healthy on that side of the ball from the very beginning, it's hard to make that statement definitively.

When the OL was healthy, with Waters in the lineup, we were doing pretty well, offensively, IMO.

I have always believed that good teams are strong on both sides of the line. JMO
 

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They're not "awful", no, they're much worse.


But are we really an offensive team? Our offensive talent is highly over rated, if you dig deeper we're really not that much of a juggernaut on offense. We're an inexperienced offense with a lot of young talent, which comes with a ton of growing pains. Don't believe me? See what Brady has done with his young inexperienced WR's, I'll give you a hint, it's not pretty.

This is our offensive weapons right now - Murray? Can't stay healthy, and he's also very inconsistent. Miles? Please, can't stay healthy and even when he does he has zero burst. Williams? The rookie who constantly has drops every game, and also makes bone headed mistakes. Witten? The HoF TE who's a shell of his former self and is honestly probably hurting us more then helping. Harris? When the dude is in all he does is drop balls, though he's a beast on return. Cole Beasley? Another very inexperienced WR, though his future does look promising. Dez Bryant? A very young and immensely talented WR who's route running is sub-par at best, he's also had CRUCIAL drops this year. So where is this offense you're talking about? The only one who's a legit threat RIGHT NOW is Dez, and half the time he's taken out of games. And I'm not even going to talk about our other TE's, they're non existent.





And all those teams you mentioned have a better defense, better running game, better coaching, and a better supporting cast then Romo, and it's not even close. Heck, look at what New England is doing right now without Brady. He's been terrible for the most part of the year, yet they're 7-2 winning games with great coaching, a great running game, and also a great defense. None of which can be said for Dallas.

You know what makes a bad defense look even worse? When an offense fails to convert on ANY 3rd down. When an offense has a bunch of 3-and-outs where they only eat up a minute of the clock. When an offense fails to capitalize on turnovers.

Our defense is bad. I admit that. But it's not worst in NFL history bad without the help (or lack thereof) of the offense. When completely healthy and with an efficient offense, this defense would be much better than it looks now. Do you disagree with that? Do you honestly believe we'd still have the worst defense in NFL history if players were healthy and the offense didn't suck?

Now, we all can blame the injuries of the defense, and that's a perfectly valid excuse (although it didn't save Rob Ryan last year). But none of us are acknowledging the offense's role in the poor play of the defense. I find it absolutely hilarious. We have two crucial things this year that we haven't had in previous years: 1) our special teams is the best in the NFL, and that leads to better starting field position, 2) our defense is generating a lot of turnovers, and that leads to more opportunities (and better starting field position) for the offense. So, based on these two differences, our offense should be MUCH better than it's been in previous years. Not to mention the improved offensive line.

And you're insane to say that we don't have offensive weapons. Give Brady Dez, Witten, Austin, Williams (one of the best rookie WRs), and Murray and he would have a field day. You call me absurd. Discrediting our offensive weapons is absurd.

Look at all the things that should have helped the offense this season: 1) better special teams, 2) defense causing more turnovers, 3) addition of T. Williams, 4) a somewhat healthy Murray, 5) an improved offensive line... But we aren't performing better. In fact, we're performing much worse. I don't want you to quote stats to show our offense is doing well. Watch the games. We start games of slow and have a bunch of 3-and-outs. We rack up the majority of our yards late in the game when we abandon our game plan and play backyard football. Our offense is worse. But how? I just named 5 things that should make our offense better. What are the constants? Romo and Garrett. Either one is solely the problem or they're both part of the problem. And, since Romo was appointed with all these additional roles (a "Peyton Manning role"), I'd like to think part of our offensive inefficiency is Romo not knowing how to run an offense when his offensive coordinator isn't holding his hand. That or he's diminishing.
 

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You know what makes a bad defense look even worse? When an offense fails to convert on ANY 3rd down. When an offense has a bunch of 3-and-outs where they only eat up a minute of the clock. When an offense fails to capitalize on turnovers.

I agree, our offense going 3 and out doesn't help our defense at all, but we've seen the same thing occur even after long drives by our offense. I'm not saying our offense is great, or even good, but it's no where near as bad as our D.

Our defense is bad. I admit that. But it's not worst in NFL history bad without the help (or lack thereof) of the offense. When completely healthy and with an efficient offense, this defense would be much better than it looks now. Do you disagree with that? Do you honestly believe we'd still have the worst defense in NFL history if players were healthy and the offense didn't suck?

I agree our Defense is suffering tremendously from injuries (past 2 years now), but that still shouldn't be an excuse for being one of the worst PASSING defenses in NFL history. And no, I don't believe if our offense played better then it would make a big difference, maybe a little difference, but we'd still suck. This has already been proven against Denver, they couldn't even force a punt for crying out loud. Our Defense plays GOOD against BAD QBs, but when we face an above average QB we get torched. That's how we set an NFL record for 4, 400 yard passers through 8 games, we just can't even slow them down.

Now, we all can blame the injuries of the defense, and that's a perfectly valid excuse (although it didn't save Rob Ryan last year). But none of us are acknowledging the offense's role in the poor play of the defense. I find it absolutely hilarious.

Injuries are a valid excuse for bad play, but we're not talking about BAD play here, we're talking about down right terrible play as in one of the worst passing defenses, ever.

We have two crucial things this year that we haven't had in previous years: 1) our special teams is the best in the NFL, and that leads to better starting field position, 2) our defense is generating a lot of turnovers, and that leads to more opportunities (and better starting field position) for the offense. So, based on these two differences, our offense should be MUCH better than it's been in previous years. Not to mention the improved offensive line.
And our offense has been better this year, at least in scoring points. Our problem is moving the chains on offense, because once we get in the RZ we're among the best in the NFL. And it's funny because last year was completely opposite of this years offense. We could move the chains very well, but we didn't have a very efficient RZ offense. As for our offensive line, it has been very inconsistent and is one of the main reasons for our struggles. They were a big contributor to why we lost that Detroit game.

And you're insane to say that we don't have offensive weapons. Give Brady Dez, Witten, Austin, Williams (one of the best rookie WRs), and Murray and he would have a field day. You call me absurd. Discrediting our offensive weapons is absurd.

And you obviously haven't watched Brady much this year, because if you think Romo's has been inaccurate and bad this year, boy would you hate Brady. He's missed a lot of throws this year he usually makes, and he's also completing only 57% of his passes on the year, t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e. Brady also has just as many weapons as Romo right now, so I don't see your point.

In terms of match up problems for a defense, Gronkowski > Dez, Amendola > Miles,*any patroits wr/te* > Witten, Dobson = Williams, Edelman = Beasely, *any patriots rb* = Murray

Look at all the things that should have helped the offense this season: 1) better special teams, 2) defense causing more turnovers, 3) addition of T. Williams, 4) a somewhat healthy Murray, 5) an improved offensive line... But we aren't performing better. In fact, we're performing much worse. I don't want you to quote stats to show our offense is doing well. Watch the games. We start games of slow and have a bunch of 3-and-outs.

Like I said previously, our offense is performing much better in the RZ this year, it's just a problem getting there. And the reason for that is just sloppy all around play. A lot of our penalties on offense are drive killers, we get sacked at ill advised times, we have had plenty of drops, and a QB who's very inaccurate when pressured. When you're constantly having those things go on it's hard to continue an 80 yard drive. I have watched the games, and that's why I don't put a lot of the blame on Romo like some here try. He definitely has had his part in our slow starts, but he's definitely on the low end of the totem pole on our offensive woes.

We rack up the majority of our yards late in the game when we abandon our game plan and play backyard football. Our offense is worse. But how? I just named 5 things that should make our offense better.
You're wrong, yet again. Our offense is worse between the 20's, but in the RZ they're among the best in the league and a lot better this year.


What are the constants? Romo and Garrett. Either one is solely the problem or they're both part of the problem. And, since Romo was appointed with all these additional roles (a "Peyton Manning role"), I'd like to think part of our offensive inefficiency is Romo not knowing how to run an offense when his offensive coordinator isn't holding his hand. That or he's diminishing.

You're clueless man, you need to take your own advice and "watch the games". The "peyton manning role" nonsense was just to Jerry could justify giving a contract to Romo, but ok. Ok, if Romo is the problem on offense and he's having trouble running it, then answer this. Why is our offense much smoother during the 2 minute drill? If Romo can't run an offense correctly, then shouldn't it be worse? Also, did you see the play were Romo swapped Dez and Beasely for our biggest gain of the night? That was ALL Romo's doing, not our offensive coordinator. If Romo was inept to run an offense then you wouldn't see those type of plays, but please be my guest and keep being ignorant.
 

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Blaming the offense, when the defense has done the terrible job it has this season, would be like blaming the defense if the offense were scoring 10 points or less a game.
 
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