Our receivers are average

[Awakened]

By the time I wrote this entry on another thread, the thread had pretty much died. I really want to know if the handful of guys on that thread represent the majority of people on this forum. The guys on that thread have convinced themselves that there are the "big 3" receivers, and our two starters are right there with the other guys on the next level just below the "big 3". Surely most of you wouldn't buy into that argument and would agree with me that our receivers are average and an area of conern. Right? Here it is...

Last year, Glenn was injured. Keyshawn was the only wide receiver being counted on. He had his favorite QB throwing to him. He finished 26th in total yards. 24 WR's had over 1000 yards last year. He wasn't one of them. He was 41st in avg. yards per reception. You might rightly say that he is a possession receiver. Well, he was 31st in TD's, with a grand total of 6. Muhsin Muhammad had 16 to lead the NFL.

To get a good read on Terry Glenn, let's go to 2003. After being traded to the Cowboys for a 4th or 5th? round draft choice, Glenn played all 16 games in 2003. He finished 35th in total yards, 29th in TD's with 5, and 22nd in avg. yards per catch.

I know there are other issues to factor into their performances. I also know there are intangibles to consider outside of stats. The thing is that I'm not saying they are bad or even unacceptable. I'm just saying they are OK - nothing to get too excited about. They are both 3 or 3.5 stars out of 5. Nobody else on the roster has yet proven to be a legitimate NFL receiver. So it is an area of concern. WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE SUCH A HARD TIME ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OUR RECEIVERS AREN'T THAT GREAT?

Can you guys honestly say that we have a wide receiver on our team whom you wouldn't trade straight up for Joe Horn, or Muhsin Muhammad, or Javon Walker, or Torry Holt, or Chad Johnson, or Hines Ward, or even Drew Bennet? Heck, I would also take the young pups Roy Williams and Charles Rogers over any of our wide receivers.

Don't take my word for it? How about the sports writer for USA today, who did an incredibly detailed evaluation of all of the WR's in the NFL. You want to know where Key and Glenn ranked in his rankings? They didn't even get mentioned. Check it out - http://www.usatoday.com/sports/foot...receivers_x.htm

 

[speedkilz88]

I believe Glenn was in the top ten for yards and receptions before he went down.

 

[Galian Beast]

Terry Glenn was on pace for about 1200+ yards with no rush support.

In the last 7 games with Julius Jones, Keyshawn put up numbers that would have put him on pace for over 1000 yards. Still though this is without another receiver to bring the pressure off of him.

And this is with Vinny Testaverde, no dan campbell, and an inferior offensive line.

Glenn and Johnson are extremely underated. And this year will prove that as long as our offense stays healthy.

 

[Ken]

Well,
I've had this discussion with Co-workers and our trio is around middle of the pack, or in other words, average.

That isn't a bad thing when you consider our TE's may be the best in the NFL.

 

[Awakened]

I believe Glenn was in the top ten for yards and receptions before he went down.

That is 6 games - not enough to go on. The fact is that Terry Glenn has not gone over 1000 yards in 6 years. If 2003 is not a good enough indicator for you, then how about 2002? While playing with the legendary Brett Favre, Glenn finished 39th in total yards. After the season, they traded him to the Cowboys cheap.

But Glenn only played 15 games that season. But, wait, another reason emerges to be concerned. In his nine seasons of play, Glenn has played all 16 games only twice. He averages 11.6 games per season.

Again, it's not that I can't stand the guy. He has truly amazing hands. I'm just amazed that guys won't acknoledge that our receivers are average, and it would be great to have a truly elite receiver. Like Ken (the only sane person I've located thus far on this issue) said, no need to panic - because we do have an elite RB, TE, and OL.

 

[ndanger]

There are 31 other teams who would be happy to have Glenn or Key .A big percentage would take them in a moments notice.The others might be set at the position but would still give them consideration.Even Detroit who has spent the last 3 seasons loading recievers would consider them.In my opinion they are above average and if you include whitten ,top 5.

 

[Kangaroo]

That is 6 games - not enough to go on. The fact is that Terry Glenn has not gone over 1000 yards in 6 years. If 2003 is not a good enough indicator for you, then how about 2002? While playing with the legendary Brett Favre, Glenn finished 39th in total yards. After the season, they traded him to the Cowboys cheap.

But Glenn only played 15 games that season. But, wait, another reason emerges to be concerned. In his nine seasons of play, Glenn has played all 16 games only twice. He averages 11.6 games per season.

Again, it's not that I can't stand the guy. He has truly amazing hands. I'm just amazed that guys won't acknoledge that our receivers are average, and it would be great to have a truly elite receiver. Like Ken (the only sane person I've located thus far on this issue) said, no need to panic - because we do have an elite RB, TE, and OL.

Elite oline :laugh2: did we did we sign Eric Williams in his prime some where along the way. Heck whick Flo is going to show up this year ? Elite oline is a stretch with or without Rivera

 

[InmanRoshi]

Our WR's may be average, but I don't really see the WR position as being a critical one for a Championship. It certainly hasn't been for the last 4 or 5 Superbowl Winners. Due to fantasy football and 24 hour highlight networks, the position is grossly overhyped and overinflated as to how much influence it has.

 

[joseephuss]

Our WR's may be average, but I don't really see the WR position as being a critical one for a Championship. It certainly hasn't been for the last 4 or 5 Superbowl Winners. Due to fantasy football and 24 hour highlight networks, the position is grossly overhyped and overinflated as to how much influence it has.

I agree. They may be average or slightly above, but that may be good enough to get the job done. Individually, neither Glenn nor Johnson will scare anyone, but they make a good tandem. I don't expect league leading numbers from either, just good numbers if they both stay healthy.

 

[Awakened]

Our WR's may be average, but I don't really see the WR position as being a critical one for a Championship. It certainly hasn't been for the last 4 or 5 Superbowl Winners. Due to fantasy football and 24 hour highlight networks, the position is grossly overhyped and overinflated as to how much influence it has.

I never said it was critical to Championships. I think great football players win Championships. What position they play is secondary. WR was critical for the Dallas Cowboy Championships of the 80's. Could we have done it without Michael Irvin? My point is not that I disagree with you - just that your point is pretty much pointless.

 

[Awakened]

Elite oline :laugh2: did we did we sign Eric Williams in his prime some where along the way. Heck whick Flo is going to show up this year ? Elite oline is a stretch with or without Rivera

OK, it may be a stretch to call our OL elite. You got me on that one. However, I do feel better about our OL than our WR's. I would say it looks very good, and has a chance to be elite. If LA is back like they were saying at minicamps, and Flozell returns to 2003 form, and Rogers becomes a solid RT, than that would be pretty stinkin elite (a lot of "ifs", I know).

 

[InmanRoshi]

I never said it was critical to Championships. I think great football players win Championships. What position they play is secondary.

Some positions are more important than others, and its evidenced by the fact that some positions are picked with Top 10-15 picks at a far greater frequency than others. (QB's, Cover Corners, Left Tackles, Pass Rushers). Its also evidenced by the difference in salary among positions in the open market. Great fullbacks do not make the same money as great cornerbacks.

 

[StarMan2112]

There are 3 certainties in life: death, taxes and Terry Glenn will get hurt.

When healthy, he's very good. Keyshawn is what he is. A nice move-the-chains possession WR. Quincy Morgan is a clown. Crayton may have a little something to him, but he and Copper are unproven.

Overall I'd say, yeah,...average WR corps.

 

[TheHustler]

I never said it was critical to Championships. I think great football players win Championships. What position they play is secondary.

So great football players are CBs and Safeties? bada bing! :laugh2:

I'm so funny, hehe.

 

[Awakened]

Sorry, you're wrong. Some positions are more important than others, and it shows on draft day as to which positions are selected most often in the Top 10-15 picks. (QB's, Cover Corners, Left Tackles, Pass Rushers)

I said the position they play is "secondary", not inconsequential. Any idiot knows that some positions are more critical than others. Teams win with great players, and the position they play varies. Heck, fullback is perhaps the least critical position of all, but Moose Johnston was one of the key players in our Championship run.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Some positions are more important than others, and its evidenced by the fact that some positions are picked with Top 10-15 picks at a far greater frequency than others. (QB's, Cover Corners, Left Tackles, Pass Rushers). Its also evidenced by the difference in salary among positions in the open market. Great fullbacks do not make the same money as great cornerbacks.

I agree with your basic position, but I don't think this argument helps you much. WRs are also among the positions that always get drafted early. In contrast, and casting further doubt on your theory, RBs traditionally have not been drafted early (and few would doubt their importance to a team's success). Still, I think you're right to suggest that you don't need elite WRs to win in this league.

 

[DC Cowboy]

By the time I wrote this entry on another thread, the thread had pretty much died. I really want to know if the handful of guys on that thread represent the majority of people on this forum. The guys on that thread have convinced themselves that there are the "big 3" receivers, and our two starters are right there with the other guys on the next level just below the "big 3". Surely most of you wouldn't buy into that argument and would agree with me that our receivers are average and an area of conern. Right? Here it is...

Last year, Glenn was injured. Keyshawn was the only wide receiver being counted on. He had his favorite QB throwing to him. He finished 26th in total yards. 24 WR's had over 1000 yards last year. He wasn't one of them. He was 41st in avg. yards per reception. You might rightly say that he is a possession receiver. Well, he was 31st in TD's, with a grand total of 6. Muhsin Muhammad had 16 to lead the NFL.

To get a good read on Terry Glenn, let's go to 2003. After being traded to the Cowboys for a 4th or 5th? round draft choice, Glenn played all 16 games in 2003. He finished 35th in total yards, 29th in TD's with 5, and 22nd in avg. yards per catch.

I know there are other issues to factor into their performances. I also know there are intangibles to consider outside of stats. The thing is that I'm not saying they are bad or even unacceptable. I'm just saying they are OK - nothing to get too excited about. They are both 3 or 3.5 stars out of 5. Nobody else on the roster has yet proven to be a legitimate NFL receiver. So it is an area of concern. WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE SUCH A HARD TIME ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OUR RECEIVERS AREN'T THAT GREAT?

Can you guys honestly say that we have a wide receiver on our team whom you wouldn't trade straight up for Joe Horn, or Muhsin Muhammad, or Javon Walker, or Torry Holt, or Chad Johnson, or Hines Ward, or even Drew Bennet? Heck, I would also take the young pups Roy Williams and Charles Rogers over any of our wide receivers.

Don't take my word for it? How about the sports writer for USA today, who did an incredibly detailed evaluation of all of the WR's in the NFL. You want to know where Key and Glenn ranked in his rankings? They didn't even get mentioned. Check it out - http://www.usatoday.com/sports/foot...receivers_x.htm

I doubt if Muhammed would have had good numbers if he had the same running game we had the first half of the year. You have to look at more than just stats. IF Julious Jones would have ran for us the whole year like he did the second half our recievers numbers would have been better.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

There are 3 certainties in life: death, taxes and Terry Glenn will get hurt.

When healthy, he's very good. Keyshawn is what he is. A nice move-the-chains possession WR. Quincy Morgan is a clown. Crayton may have a little something to him, but he and Copper are unproven.

Overall I'd say, yeah,...average WR corps.

Haha, i agree.

 

[dargonking999]

Dude are recivers may be average, BUT we have a great RB and good OL, and decnet QB, and hopefully(outside of this spears injury) a great Defense.

if you have noticed the Pats dont exaclty have TO Moss or harrison and they have one 3 of last 4 SB. Who cares if our recievers are average, they will get the job done and thats all the matters

 

[Gent]

According to the Football Outsiders, when you adjust for the specific situations our receivers saw, Keyshawn and Glenn were above average. Glenn especially so. Morgan is well below average. We don't know enough about our other receivers so say how good they are.

-Gent