Our season probably hinges on these areas

SymphonySteve said:
Not sure if I agree with that take. Because I don't know if the Iggles win the Super Bowl had they not gotten Zack Baun. He went from essentially being a special teams guy in N'awlins to being a 'you have to account for him on every play' guy in Philly. Fangio wanted him, and saw a role for him he had not previously played. I'd think that Parker would want something similar from at least one of his LB's.
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Yes, but thats what i meant.

Baun wasnt a good player in NO. He made like 14 starts in his 4 years and his combined tackles during that time were lower than his solo tackles in his lone season in Philadelphia.

That he excelled in Philly may be the result (maybe because i didnt follow him much) of using him to his abilities and that his duties were easier (less) than in NO. I think we wont need a guy lick Ronaldo McClain in the middle. A highly talented and also physical build player to spot the position (Baun is like 208 Lbs, McCalin was around 250). What we have in the players actually on the roster i think is good enough to be successfull. And they have the abilities to spot the position: lighter, able to cover and fast enough to run from sideline to sideline.

Overshown is Baun fast - as is Winters. They are a bit heavier but compareable. I think those will be our primary guys. Lets see if Overshown gets over his injury (head wise). It didnt look like that at the end of last season. Liufau i really dont know. I had high hopes for this guy. But he seems too slow for the position and somehow he doesnt get it.
 
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Hawkeye0202 said:
I agree but instinct is also critical........
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Yes, for sure. Being able to diagnose the play and doing the right thing at the right time. Thats of course important besides all those measurements.

Liafau doesnt seem to have that. I am also not sure about Overshown right now.

That is something i didnt mention. But then i left that out because my point was that Baun may not have those abilities too. There is a reason he was not used in NO for 4 years. So maybe we are fine with what we have at LB.
 
csirl said:
Im not optimistic about Guyton. Sometimes you need to cut your loses and move on.
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We wont do that after only 2 years and such a high investement. And then we already failed twice to find a new LT after Tyron Smith.

I see this guy hanging around fro at least his 4 rookie years. And that makes me angry and frustrated.

I am with you about Guyton. To put it in nice words: The guy isnt good enough and i doubt he will ever be.
 
TwentyOne said:
That is something i didnt mention. But then i left that out because my point was that Baun may not have those abilities too. There is a reason he was not used in NO for 4 years. So maybe we are fine with what we have at LB
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You mentioned Baun may have been a misfit for his last defensive scheme. You nailed it there coz the dude went from signing a 2024 $1m contract with the Eagles to getting a 2025 3-year $51M extension and making ALL-PRO. I'm guessing Fangio's system, his experience and instinct were huge factors.
 
fivetwos said:
Man it seemed as there were a lot of 3 and 4s that were converted between those two. Move chains, keep ball, make up for the fact that Jerry only like corners on defense.
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Jerry perceives this as a fan would. To him, it's all about corners and edge rushers. What he fails to realize is that both those positions are dependent on DT's and S's to be effective.
 
csirl said:
Im not optimistic about Guyton. Sometimes you need to cut your loses and move on.
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Sure, but can we let him heal first and continue his development? You're wanting to dump a very raw player after only a couple seasons, a raw player who actually has the skills to be dominant. Why would you not first see what he does this season?
 
TwentyOne said:
We wont do that after only 2 years and such a high investement. And then we already failed twice to find a new LT after Tyron Smith.

I see this guy hanging around fro at least his 4 rookie years. And that makes me angry and frustrated.

I am with you about Guyton. To put it in nice words: The guy isnt good enough and i doubt he will ever be.
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What you guys are missing is that physically he's a top 10 OLT. He was raw when drafted and should not have been thrust into the starting role as a rook. That's Jerry's poor team building crapp rearing its ugly head.

Between injuries, Guyton had started playing very well. Wouldn't it be prudent to see if that continues before you just dump him?

And the only other OL on the roster who has the skills to play OLT is Sheffield, and he's not close to ready. Who are you putting in at OLT if you cut Guyton?
 
fivetwos said:
It’s a given that if Prescott goes down it’s all over. 2020 and 2024 are perfect examples.

I never understood having Milton as a two when you’re claiming you want to win. He is every bit of a developmental guy that has no place here at this time. If your starter goes down for like four games, you need to hold serve, but that’s difficult to do in that case. Same with Lance. Only way he was ever getting the reps he needed was if Dak got hurt, which he did, and they still didn’t play him,
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One of the more underrated and encouraging moves this offseason was picking up Howell. It shows they aren't closing their eyes to how awful Milton is. Schotty and the offensive staff at least convinced Jerry not to keep throwing good money after bad on a guy who can't play.
 
fivetwos said:
It’s a given that if Prescott goes down it’s all over. 2020 and 2024 are perfect examples.

I never understood having Milton as a two when you’re claiming you want to win. He is every bit of a developmental guy that has no place here at this time. If your starter goes down for like four games, you need to hold serve, but that’s difficult to do in that case. Same with Lance. Only way he was ever getting the reps he needed was if Dak got hurt, which he did, and they still didn’t play him,

I don’t really get ithe plan (probably because there wasn’t one), but these type of moves are probably about when Jerry feels like playing with his toy. Seems as if whenever that urge strikes, we are suddenly down a fourth round pick.
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Joe Milton is a very slow processor and is inaccurate. He's just not a developmental guy.

His best bet would be to change positions, maybe a Slash type role. He's not going to make it as a QB.
 
kskboys said:
Huh? Beebe is a topnotch C. Why do you think it's a mystery?
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I was talking about depth. We have no proven depth at center or really at OT. That’s why I said health is so important. We need our CB’s to return to form with bland, revel to live up to his potential. We need the OT’s and center to stay healthy because we don’t have proven depth there. Health of our starters is gonna be a huge part of how this season goes. I assume if our center was out any length of time bass would play center. He’s worked in past 2 camps at center and he’s a solid player at guard but we don’t know at center
 
For me, TE is a huge issue for this offense. Ferguson has let us down, and things spiraled downward for us after his missed TD catch against the Shegals in the opener and got worse after his fumble on the goal line in Detroit. He needs to get his head out of his azz.
 
I am optimistic about Guyton. The guy has been putting in serious work for over a year now, working with Duke Manyweather and pumping serious iron. In a recent photo he appeared visibly more jacked up top. His will to be great appears 100% legit and he has a lot of God-given talent. He just needs to stay healthy and I think the work will pay off and we'll have our LT for the next 5+ years.
 
QB and head coach
CP has to be successful, he is hand picked by Schotty. He failed means Head Coach failed too.
QB needs to stop choking in playoff. That is it.
 
leicafan said:
QB and head coach
CP has to be successful, he is hand picked by Schotty. He failed means Head Coach failed too.
QB needs to stop choking in playoff. That is it.
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These 2 ultimate conditional requirements used to be my bottom line as well under the previous McFraud regime.

So I really don't have a problem with quarterbacks and coaching being the 2 most important elements to team success.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
One of the more underrated and encouraging moves this offseason was picking up Howell. It shows they aren't closing their eyes to how awful Milton is. Schotty and the offensive staff at least convinced Jerry not to keep throwing good money after bad on a guy who can't play.
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Milton is what he is. Big talent, raw, needs reps. If you’re a team that has no QB currently, and/or is rebuilding, he is someone to have around in the mix. Why not? Either he hits or blows enough games to get you into position to draft a real one. Win/win.

But when you already have an established starter, how could it ever work out? Maybe if Prescott went down early and Miltie balled out, they could trade him? All that for that?? They couldn’t move on from Prescott even if they wanted to. Makes no sense from a football perspective, and that’s how this team is subject to being run.

They must have stuck Jerry and his kid in a storage room during March and April this year, because things suddenly make sense.

That all said yeah, having Howell as a two if it’s like 4-6 games, huge difference.
 
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