Over Dak Crowd: How do we address the position?

[ConceptCoop]

I REALLY don't want this to be a "Dak sucks" thread And I am hoping to avoid debate from those who feel he is the answer or needs more time. I'm hoping this can serve as a platform for those of us ready to move on to discuss how we should go about doing so.

Would you go the vet route and hope a team like the Chargers drafts a QB early and is willing to trade their starter? Would Fitzpatrick or Foles be an upgrade?

It's early, but from what I've gathered so far, this QB class isn't going to be great. Solid, perhaps, but not great. And we'll likely win too many games to get a top QB without giving up multiple 1st round picks to do so. I'm usually weary of the guys drafted outside of the top 5, but Watson and Mahomes look great. I also worry that the same FO who wanted to draft Manziel and Lynch aren't cut out for evaluating young QBs.

What's the plan?

 

[phildadon86]

I dont want this coaching staff anywhere near a new young QB. They have already ruined Dak, and I dont trust them at all.

 

[CATCH17]

Well first off.. If a QB is available in the draft you take them.

Herbert, Lock, or Grier look like the top guys.


If you go with Dak there is no way you keep Linehan / Garrett's scheme. You have to start fresh with new idea's.

Absolutely no to a vet.

Stay as far from mediocrity as possible. Either be the best or be the worst. Don't be in the middle.

 

[jazzcat22]

Right now on CBS Sports web site, they have 3 QB’s ranked as 1st rounders, from 11 to 21 overall.
Now their draft ranking is not as good as it used to be. But it is also way to early for true rankings.

So we don’t have to have a top 5 pick, as of now.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I dont want this coaching staff anywhere near a new young QB. They have already ruined Dak, and I dont trust them at all.

Yes, this is exactly the problem that I see. Dak was the sort of chap that was able to go toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game in 2016 as a rookie, but now he's absolute **** at QB? I'm sorry, but that makes zero sense. Even if he was "figured out", you don't go from being within 3 points of the Packers in a playoff game with Aaron Rodgers at the helm to not even being able to complete a pass. That's heavily on the coaching who have really ruined a lot of players. Those that are "over Dak" need to go an have a look at all the players that Garrett's ruined. Just as a head coach alone, it's a lot. Then you look at what he did as an OC, and it's purely disgusting.

 

[mattjames2010]

Right now on CBS Sports web site, they have 3 QB’s ranked as 1st rounders, from 11 to 21 overall.
Now their draft ranking is not as good as it used to be. But it is also way to early for true rankings.

So we don’t have to have a top 5 pick, as of now.

I see Herbert being a top 5 pick.

The good thing about this season, there aren't too many teams that are in desperate need for a new QB. Most have their guy or a young guy they recently drafted.

The teams to look out for to grab a QB before us would be Giants, Chargers, and Steelers looking to replace their aging QBs. Then you have Dolphins who might want to move on from Tannehill if their season goes to crap.

This is a rare year where we might not have to do much to get our franchise guy.

 

[viman96]

As of now, Herbert would be my pick.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Well first off.. If a QB is available in the draft you take them.

Herbert, Lock, or Grier look like the top guys.


If you go with Dak there is no way you keep Linehan / Garrett's scheme. You have to start fresh with new idea's.

Absolutely no to a vet.

Stay as far from mediocrity as possible. Either be the best or be the worst. Don't be in the middle.

Well, to me, get rid of Garrett/Linehan at least after the season and let the next coach decide what he wants to do. If he thinks he can handle Dak, then let Dak have one more year under that coach. If he's still dreadful, you lost nothing because there will be good QBs like Tua available. If the coach thinks that he can't work with Dak, then let him draft a new QB. Either way is fine by me, but I'm not handing Linehan or Garrett the keys to a new QB. That would be like giving a monkey the keys to a Ferrari.

 

[glimmerman]

Dak will be QB the rest of the year. JG will be HC the rest of the year. After that who knows. If they both go then rebuild time. Wasting years of our young players.

 

[glimmerman]

Johnny football..

 

[RoyalCowboy]

I don't trust this coaching staff developing ANY QB's. They are already not tailoring the offense to Dak's strengths. Doesn't take an Ivy league education (Garrett), to realize a change to the offense is necessary.

 

[reddyuta]

Well first off.. If a QB is available in the draft you take them.

Herbert, Lock, or Grier look like the top guys.


If you go with Dak there is no way you keep Linehan / Garrett's scheme. You have to start fresh with new idea's.

Absolutely no to a vet.

Stay as far from mediocrity as possible. Either be the best or be the worst. Don't be in the middle.

I am not feeling Grier,weird throwing motion and throws the ball up for grabs so many times.He is the opposite of Dak though,will take too many chances.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I REALLY don't want this to be a "Dak sucks" thread And I am hoping to avoid debate from those who feel he is the answer or needs more time. I'm hoping this can serve as a platform for those of us ready to move on to discuss how we should go about doing so.

Would you go the vet route and hope a team like the Chargers drafts a QB early and is willing to trade their starter? Would Fitzpatrick or Foles be an upgrade?

It's early, but from what I've gathered so far, this QB class isn't going to be great. Solid, perhaps, but not great. And we'll likely win too many games to get a top QB without giving up multiple 1st round picks to do so. I'm usually weary of the guys drafted outside of the top 5, but Watson and Mahomes look great. I also worry that the same FO who wanted to draft Manziel and Lynch aren't cut out for evaluating young QBs.

What's the plan?

this is the final straw for Dak and its not looking good. so the only thing to do is find a QB at all costs. without a QB, a legit NFL QB you have no chance. Philly traded a bunch of picks to move up and get wentz. they haven't looked back. so you don't go cheap. you trade up and take one of the top draft talents. and if you miss, you reload and do it again.... otherwise its mediocrity for years to come and we waste talent left and right.

 

[Hardline]

I package up to get Hebert even if I don't have the #1 pick.
Provided there is a willing trading partner.
If I can't make the deal I package up to get Grier provided the Cowboys arent picking low enough to get him.

We need a QB in the worst way and I will give half my draft to get him and i am usually a draft pick tight wad.
Without a QB you aren't going anywhere anyway.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I don't trust this coaching staff developing ANY QB's. They are already not tailoring the offense to Dak's strengths. Doesn't take an Ivy league education (Garrett), to realize a change to the offense is necessary.

Yes, but the problem is that Garrett's stuck in the 1990s, and I don't think that Dr. Who is going to show up with him in his TARDIS any time soon. That's the tricky bit of it all. Garrett doesn't know the first thing about a modern day offence or how a QB like Dak's supposed to work. A lot of the young QBs in college have at least some mobility if not a lot of it. That wasn't necessarily the case in the 1990s when Garrett's mindset would work. Garrett's the sort of coach that would've swam then, but would have sunk on any other team now except maybe the Giants.

 

[LoneStarDawg]

If you had whoever you wanted right now at QB it wouldn’t change a thing until offensive line improves. Oh, and find somebody for your new guy to throw it to. I mean, if you think those things are important also.

 

[Doomsday]

Put in Mike White, use the top 3 pick that will result from it to get a QB.

 

[Kevinicus]

I dont want this coaching staff anywhere near a new young QB. They have already ruined Dak, and I dont trust them at all.

They didn't ruin Dak. Dak is who he is.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I package up to get Hebert even if I don't have the #1 pick.
Provided there is a willing trading partner.
If I can't make the deal I package up to get Grier provided the Cowboys arent picking low enough to get him.

We need a QB in the worst way and I will give half my draft to get him and i am usually a draft pick tight wad.
Without a QB you aren't going anywhere anyway.

Would you get rid of Garrett first? Because if you keep Garrett and give him the keys to that sort of QB, then you'll just end up wasting a lot of picks imo. It's why I'd say get rid of Garrett and let the next coach decide what he wants to do with Dak.

 

[Kevinicus]

If you want to salvage this season? Call Romo and pray he is willing...and do it immediately. Dak might need to start a few more weeks rust can be worked out. This is unlikely, so you can try Rush/White, but it likely won't help this year (Rush probably not ever - he looks too physically limited).

For the future, hope White is the real deal. You may have to give up several high picks. It may take a few years. This is why going with Dak was likely the worst decision in franchise history.