Owens forces Cowboys into internal struggle over WR's future in Dallas

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Yakuza Rich;2638183 said:
In the second half of the season, Owens got open repeatedly as I charted the games, particularly against press coverage. But Johnson certainly couldn't find him and Romo would either miss him or would throw an incomplete pass.
excellent post and point. IMO our problems on offense started when Romo got hurt in Arizona. Johnson was way over his head and Romo was never really 100%. We all expect Johnson to be replaced but more importantly, will Romo return to his 2007 level physically & mentally? I assume he will.

And one more thing, I expect Owens back but he needs to be reign in a whole lot. Our coaches and/or management (which I can't tell apart) need to make it clear to him that his bad conduct will be an issue this season. And that includes dealing with the media which IMO caused a whole lot of our this so called "cancer" being spread out.
 

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The source that brags about his 10 TDs and 1,000 yards and mentions the three games without Romo, forgets that Owens played 13 games with him. During those 13 games, Owens was getting shut-down or limited when the formula for stopping him or slowing him down was used. The 49ers gave him over 200 yards, because they didn't follow the formula.
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Your not being honest. The formula was no help over the top by the 49ers. They did try and press TO at the line and they did try and be physical with him. They lost, because they were playing single coverage.
 

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How do you figure that? Did anyone have special sitdown with Deion and blame the OC? Ellis, I will give you that. He should be cut. I am getting annoyed by that guy more and more. Roy Williams, I also might give you that.

James, Newman and Romo not even the same catgory as TO.

Actually, yes.. Roy Williams after the season pretty much went on a media tour castigating Garrett... Romo called Garrett out in a PC and when he was confronted with it in his latest interview, he never denied that he didn't blame Garrett...
 

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TO, has never, throughout his career, caused a QB to regress, even when he was having problems with them. After TO left Philly, even McNabb admitted that what he and TO could have done together wold have been special. QBs best numbers, from Garcia to McNabb to Romo were always with TO. That is a fact and nobody can spin their way out of it. McNabb totally demolished his previous numbers with TO as QB, and TO only played 14 games and McNabb sat out one game.
 

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khiladi;2639321 said:
TO, has never, throughout his career, caused a QB to regress, even when he was having problems with them. After TO left Philly, even McNabb admitted that what he and TO could have done together wold have been special. QBs best numbers, from Garcia to McNabb to Romo were always with TO. That is a fact and nobody can spin their way out of it. McNabb totally demolished his previous numbers with TO as QB, and TO only played 14 games and McNabb sat out one game.
Yet, we're supposed to be a better team without him. That's just hilarious. I understand people get tired of hearing about him, but to argue that we'd be a better team without him is just plain stupidity.
 
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I remember when the niners made that historic comeback against the Giants in the playoffs and how TO dominated. At halftime when the niners were gettin their butts kicked TO got in everybodys behind in the lockerroom and they came out ready to play. Can he do that in Dallas? Of course not. The same people that want him gone will still be complaining that nobody steps up to be a leader and TO just needs to be quiet. Like he said hes damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Keep waiting for Mr. Simpson to be a leader. He's too busy smiling alll the time and blaming his bad play on the defenses hes playing against.
 

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theogt;2639328 said:
Yet, we're supposed to be a better team without him. That's just hilarious. I understand people get tired of hearing about him, but to argue that we'd be a better team without him is just plain stupidity.


What is amusing about the TO hater's is they haven't even bothered to look at Brian Westbrook's numbers prior to TO coming to the Eagles. Westbrook actually started to become a major force with the Eagles once TO came. I thought that TO takes snaps away from great players because of his selfishness. Funny, isn't it? The Eagles were a multi-dimensional offense when TO came...
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2639334 said:
I remember when the niners made that historic comeback against the Giants in the playoffs and how TO dominated. At halftime when the niners were gettin their butts kicked TO got in everybodys behind in the lockerroom and they came out ready to play. Can he do that in Dallas? Of course not. The same people that want him gone will still be complaining that nobody steps up to be a leader and TO just needs to be quiet. Like he said hes damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Keep waiting for Mr. Simpson to be a leader. He's too busy smiling alll the time and blaming his bad play on the defenses hes playing against.

Who's Mr. Simpson? :huh:
 

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The great debate in Dallas in these earliest days of the NFL offseason surrounds Terrell Owens' fate, and to some degree, I'm learning that reality depends on who you talk to.
One side holds that owner Jerry Jones now knows what he must do, and for the good of the team's badly damaged locker-room chemistry, he will bite the bullet and acknowledge T.O. and his high-maintenance ways are the epicenter of the problem, making him an ex-Cowboy before a $3.1 million roster bonus is due in early June.
Call it the less-is-more approach to fixing what obviously ails the outfit formerly known as America's Team.
"You can't discredit the guy's numbers,'' one Cowboys source told me this week. "He makes plays. But the game is about much more than just numbers, and the game is much more than just one person. The headaches you have to put up with catering to someone aren't worth it.''
The other viewpoint is little more shaded in gray. It contends that Owens has become nothing more than the handiest, catch-all scapegoat for the Cowboys' chemistry troubles, with his long track record of issues now being fully projected onto his present in order to make the case his release would be just the cathartic purging needed in Dallas.
But to focus solely on T.O., the supposed locker-room cancer, is to completely overlook the other issues that doomed the Cowboys' 2008 season to mediocrity. Like the legitimate questions surrounding the starting quarterback's displays of leadership, maturity and, at times, competitive fire. Like the head coach's glaring struggle to establish the right disciplinary tone with his team. Like the offensive coordinator's lack of adaptability and development in the face of challenges last season, and the defense's inability to mesh its considerable talents into anything more than just 11 individuals fighting for 11 Pro Bowl berths.
"T.O.'s getting blamed for everything that happened here this season,'' another Cowboys source said. "But he's not the problem. They want to talk about how Terrell is so disruptive in the locker room, and that's a lie. The guy didn't do anything this year to warrant the type of stuff you're hearing now. There's a faction that wants to get him out of here, and if they want to let the guy go, they should let him go.
"But if you want to be quick to run him out of here, who are you going to get in here to replace him with? Even with our No. 1 quarterback missing three games, he scored 10 touchdowns and had 1,000 yards receiving. So who's your No. 1 receiver if he's gone? You let him go, and say you're 9-7 again next year. Then who are you going to blame? Who are you going to blame then?''
Roy Williams' presence as a potential No. 1 receiver in Dallas aside, I happen to believe there's more than a little truth to the idea the Cowboys' problems are multi-faceted. To put the blame for '08 squarely on Owens' shoulders and leave it there is probably the kind of over-simplification that we are guilty of far too often in cases such as this.
But I also think Owens, ever oversensitive and insecure as he is, contributed his share to the dysfunction in Dallas late last season. When he needed to button his mouth and play, he couldn't manage it. Then he felt the need to defend himself publicly to criticism, which, fairly or unfairly, only serves as a reminder of his track record on the distraction front. The bottom line is that the T.O. experiment deep in the heart of Texas is three years old now, and it hasn't paid off with even so much as a playoff victory, let alone a Super Bowl ring. If it hasn't worked yet, what's the likelihood of reaping results from pouring a fourth year into it?
If T.O.'s history in the NFL has taught us anything, it's that with him there is a law of diminishing returns. It was so in San Francisco. It was so in Philadelphia. And it appears headed that way in Dallas, as well. But I also think anyone linking Owens' self-destructive ways in his final days as both a 49er and an Eagle with last season in Dallas isn't making anything resembling a fair comparison. It may be time for T.O. to go once more, but the level of distraction he has created hasn't rendered it a no-brainer of a decision for the Cowboys. There are pluses and minuses to be weighed this time, as opposed to the last days in San Francisco and Philadelphia, when he just needed to disappear.
From all indications, the faction that has decided the Cowboys would be better off without Owens includes Stephen Jones, the owner's son and the team's COO and director of player personnel, and offensive coordinator Jason Garrett. And that's a pretty strong lobby. I have no doubt quarterback Tony Romo and tight end Jason Witten, were they given votes, would also be among the crowd ready and willing to bid T.O. adios.
As for Wade Phillips, I believe he could live with either result, although one Cowboys source told me the head coach still supports Owens and hasn't joined the T.O.-must-go chorus at Valley Ranch. In the locker room, Owens seems to have widespread support among the younger players, but not as robust backing from some of the team's veterans, who seem weary of the melodrama that almost constantly surrounds him.
"Jerry's capable of putting up with him another year, but it's a case of what's said next?'' a Cowboys source said. "What's coming next? When you win, and he gets his numbers, things are fine [with Owens]. But if not .... with him, it's just dealing with headaches every day. I'd say it's all up to Jerry Jones, whether he's back or not. But it's tedious, having him there. It's tedious. And it takes a toll. He's right about some things, in that you want to get him the ball. But you can't be worried about it all the time. You can't throw it to him just to throw it to him. It took a toll on Tony [Romo], but he'll never admit it.''
The flashpoint for Owens last season, of course, was when the story of his internally expressed "jealousy'' of Witten's relationship with Romo came to light in early December. But a Cowboys source I talked to scoffs at the way the issue was framed in the media, saying it was just the now familiar NFL storyline of a star receiver lobbying for more passes his way when a team starts to lose.
"If you're not getting the ball and you're losing, and you're a No. 1 receiver in this league, you're frustrated and want to get more involved,'' the source said. "That's the reality of things these days. When we were 13-3 [in '07], and T.O. was our leading receiver, everything was great. Then we go 9-7 and don't make the playoffs, and Jason Witten is our leading receiver and T.O.'s the problem? He's the cancer? C'mon now.
"You've got a guy who's a future Hall of Famer. What does he have to be jealous of Witten about? He's not jealous of Witten. He wants the ball spread around to everyone. He didn't run to the media and criticize the offense late in the year like Romo did, when he said we got 'exposed' at Philadelphia. But that's being swept under the rug and nobody's making a big issue about that. T.O. and [two other receivers] went to Garrett and said what they had to say. Look at the whole picture. Don't try and blame just one guy.''
Jerry Jones, of course, has the only opinion that really matters on whether Owens stays or goes. My sense is things have reached a tipping point in regard to Owens in Dallas, and the odds are better than 50-50 Jones will say enough is enough and end T.O.'s Cowboys career. Maybe it's not a matter of if, but of when? Even one of the Cowboys sources I talked to this week said the more media speculation he hears about Owens being banished, the more he's starting to believe there's too much smoke not to be some fire.
"I think T.O. wants to be here, but if they don't want him, I'm sure he'll say, 'Let me go,' '' said one Cowboys source. "I know he's going to be playing well somewhere else next year, because he can still play. I wouldn't get rid of him. Because he's not the problem.''
But that's not the consensus viewpoint when it comes to Owens' time in Dallas. And more important, it appears it won't be the prevailing one.
"I just don't think a player can call out coaches and other players, and with [Owens] that's happened in San Francisco, and Philadelphia and it's happened here,'' said another Cowboys source. "He's a great player. But there's more to it than that.''
In Owens' well-chronicled NFL saga, isn't that always the most fitting summation?
 

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arync;2640688 said:
"You can't discredit the guy's numbers,'' one Cowboys source told me this week. "He makes plays. But the game is about much more than just numbers, and the game is much more than just one person. The headaches you have to put up with catering to someone aren't worth it.''
Didn't we know that before we signed him?

That is the risk you take on a player like TO. Draft and develop some WR's and you won't be so desperate to sign players like TO in the first place.
 

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Was it jealousy or was he pointing out a fact that was a problem?......................... while we were losing.
 

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Teams figured out how to beat us in December of 07. Garrett still hasn't made any adjustments.
 

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Apollo Creed;2640705 said:
Teams figured out how to beat us in December of 07. Garrett still hasn't made any adjustments.
That does appear to be the case, at least to some degree.

Even when the offense put up some big #s early in '08, it just didn't look as solid and smooth as it did in '07. Something was missing, even though the players tried to downplay it after the first Commander game and after the Bengal game.

Having said that, I don't believe Garrett is solely be to blame, just as I don't think TO is totally to blame for the problems in the lockerroom. It appears to me that Garrett stubbornly tried to do what he wanted to do regardless of what the D was giving them, but that gets minimalized when you see the flood of penalties the OL committed, Romo's carelessness with the ball, or the WRs not trying to block, jogging through routes, or just flat out quitting on a play.
 

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Ahhh, nice to see that this debate continues to rage on! I'm loving it. It's keeping this place from being boring between the end of the season and the draft.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2640723 said:
Ahhh, nice to see that this debate continues to rage on! I'm loving it. It's keeping this place from being boring between the end of the season and the draft.

The debate rages on because someone I won't name COUGH ARYNC COUGH thought he was going to be original and post yet another TO thread. ;)
 

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5Countem5;2637486 said:
The writer only said he BELIEVES that about Wade. Again, it helps to read what is really being said. He has no basis for that statement and nothing in it proves that you should tag him with a "wishy-washy" attitude over it.
At this point, almost any article having to do with Terrell Owens should be look at for what it is: speculation and hearsay. It's pretty hilarious.

I say that if Stephen don't like it then he needs to move out of Daddy's house and go start up a team of his own
 

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Here's the short of it.

Owens is not a criminal. He is not the cancer he often gets accused of being. He just acts like a B@tch about things when things are not going right.

I lean towards getting rid of him for a couple of reasons.

1. I think he is in Romo's head. At times it appeared Romo tried to force him the ball when he was not open. I think Romo feels the pressure of making sure Owens is involved in the offense to a degree where it hurts Tony's game. Romo was better when he simply went through his progressions (O-line allowing him to) and throwing it to who was open. I think now, he worries that if Owens isn't involved enough, he will get frustrated, stop running his routes when he is not #1 option, and start complaining. It effects Romo's mindset which effects his game because I think he still likes Owens and wants him to be happy and be a part of the success.

2. He drops too many passes. I honestly believe the guy cost us one to two games with the passes he dropped last year. Many of them were drive sustaining first down drops that could have resulted in points that could have changed the outcomes of a game or two. A number one receiver must have great hands and catch everything close. Like Roy Williams has.

3. He is 35 and getting older by the year. If he was a stock and this was the stock market, the time to sell him would be now.

4. I think his spot on the team will hurt the progression of, what I feel, is a future star in Miles Austin. Austin can have a breakout year this season if he is allowed to compete, and wins the spot opposite Roy Williams. His speed, quickness, and ability to get YAC can eventually turn him into a Steve Smith type receiver, IMO. I think this is the year we could get to see that.

So, I lean towards letting him go. I won't be mad if he stays. I just think the whole way around, this team may be better off without him.
 

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Wrangler87;2640763 said:
Here's the short of it.

Owens is not a criminal. He is not the cancer he often gets accused of being. He just acts like a B@tch about things when things are not going right.

I lean towards getting rid of him for a couple of reasons.

1. I think he is in Romo's head. At times it appeared Romo tried to force him the ball when he was not open. I think Romo feels the pressure of making sure Owens is involved in the offense to a degree where it hurts Tony's game. Romo was better when he simply went through his progressions (O-line allowing him to) and throwing it to who was open. I think now, he worries that if Owens isn't involved enough, he will get frustrated, stop running his routes when he is not #1 option, and start complaining. It effects Romo's mindset which effects his game because I think he still likes Owens and wants him to be happy and be a part of the success.

2. He drops too many passes. I honestly believe the guy cost us one to two games with the passes he dropped last year. Many of them were drive sustaining first down drops that could have resulted in points that could have changed the outcomes of a game or two. A number one receiver must have great hands and catch everything close. Like Roy Williams has.

3. He is 35 and getting older by the year. If he was a stock and this was the stock market, the time to sell him would be now.

4. I think his spot on the team will hurt the progression of, what I feel, is a future star in Miles Austin. Austin can have a breakout year this season if he is allowed to compete, and wins the spot opposite Roy Williams. His speed, quickness, and ability to get YAC can eventually turn him into a Steve Smith type receiver, IMO. I think this is the year we could get to see that.

So, I lean towards letting him go. I won't be mad if he stays. I just think the whole way around, this team may be better off without him.
1. It appeared at times that Romo forced the ball to several guys, not just Owens. Also appeared that other guys stopped on their routes, not just Owens. Also appeared that some guys demanded the ball, not just Owens.

2. Same could be said about Romo's turnovers, especially there in December (9 turnovers in 4 games)

3. It's the only real knock on him, but if he weren't able to do things like sprint across the field to provide a key block for Miles Austin to score a TD, then I'd say it'd be a strong reason to axe him, but despite being 35, physically he's still in his prime.

4. I believe that stars shine. Problem is can Garrett design plays to get the ball to Austin, will Romo throw to Austin, will the Oline give Romo enough time to find Austin and make the pass...etc, etc. Cutting Owens and putting in Austin would be just a single part of many problems that must be fixed.

On top of that, in this coming season I think Dallas should be identified more as a running team. There are three RBs who can each be a starter for this team. How they're used is up to Garrett, but this team should rely on the run to set up the pass so there aren't passes having to be forced.

For my part, Owens works hard, plays hard and makes this team better.
 
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