Pac12 will NOT be expanding...

[Dallas]

It gets stranger and stranger.


Pac-12 will not expand in conference realignment


A day after official Board of Regents meetings at Texas and Oklahoma had many believing the Red River rivals would head west, the Pac-12 announced they had other plans regarding membership. The following is the official statement from the Pac-12 regarding conference expansion, in which they state their plans to remain at 12 members.


http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32148466


Statement: OU 'not surprised' Pac-12 stands pat


http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32150802

 

[Cythim]

Didn't the SEC give a similar statement just before voting to admit A&M?

 

[trickblue]

Why do they issue "official statements" like this when everyone knows it's a lie?

They would take UT and OU in a heartbeat and they know it...

 

[YosemiteSam]

Why do they issue "official statements" like this when everyone knows it's a lie?

They would take UT and OU in a heartbeat and they know it...

Word is, that they want Texas. They offered to take OU, Tech, and OK State if Texas would come. If Texas doesn't go, they hinted that they would probably rescind the offers to OU, Tech, and OK State.

My guess is this is what happen. They already said Texas can keep "The Longhorn Network", (which I believe last year wasn't an option) but had to make cash concessions to the conference. My guess is Texas said no to that. They want to keep their $93M.

 

[Dallas]

We all know at the end of the day it's really Texas that has things all *** up in the Big12. No offense to our horn fans here but that LHN threw a wicked shark into the water and the story about Beebe only answering to Texas appears to finally set the schools off.

Older article. We know nobody is going to the Pac12 now, but Im posting it more to bring folks up to date on whats really transpired between the schools during this.

Read on.

http://newsok.com/source-removal-of...ong-ous-demands/article/3605958#ixzz1YWncvKSU

Source: Removal of Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe among OU's demands
A high-ranking source told The Oklahoman on Tuesday that OU wants hard and fast rules for Texas and the removal of Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe in order for the Sooners to stay in the conference

BY BERRY TRAMEL, Staff Writer, btramel@opubco.com 16
Published: September 20, 2011

The University of Oklahoma is considering remaining in the Big 12, but only in a “reformed” version of the conference that includes hard and fast rules for Texas' Longhorn Network and removal of Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, a high-ranking Big 12 source told The Oklahoman on Tuesday.


Source: Removal of Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe among OU's demands

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OU president David Boren said Monday the Sooners would decide soon between applying for Pac-12 membership or staying in the Big 12, and the source outlined the parameters for remaining in the Big 12.

“It's going to take major, major reforms” for OU, and thus Oklahoma State, to consider remaining in the Big 12, the source said. “We'd have to have an interim commissioner.”
The source said the league presidents do not believe Beebe responded with adequate leadership to Nebraska's and Texas A&M's frustration. The Big 12 has lost three members in the last 15 months, and “the relationships were so bad (with) the commissioner,” the source said.

The other reform the Sooners demand is Texas and ESPN retreating on some its plans for the Longhorn Network. The UT/ESPN partnership angered Big 12 members on two counts: 1) the network reached an agreement with Fox Sports to move a conference game to the Longhorn Network; and 2) The Longhorn Network announced it would show high school highlights even after the conference voted to keep televised high school games off school-branded networks.

The source said it is not inevitable that OU and OSU will go to the Pac-12, even though the OU regents support the move.

Both Boren and athletic director Joe Castiglione have stated their desire to make the Big 12 work, as have OSU president Burns Hargis and athletic director Mike Holder.

“No one wants to give up on it,” an OSU source said of the Big 12. The problems have “nothing to do with finances. It has nothing to do with success. For the league to be falling apart, it's crazy.”

But the source said OU is willing to consider only a reformed Big 12.
The source said conference expansion is not a major issue, that while the Big 12 likely needs to return to 10 or 12 schools, the reforms are a much higher priority for stabilizing the conference.

Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference has been held up by Baylor's threat of litigation. But the reforms OU seeks would not entice the Aggies to remain in the Big 12.

“We are gone,” said an A&M official.

Earlier Tuesday, OSU booster Boone Pickens, who tried to use his influence in the state of Texas to get A&M to make the same demands of UT that OU now is making, said he detected a thaw in the Aggies' stance.

Pickens even contacted Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination.

 

[Dallas]

Word is, that they want Texas. They offered to take OU, Tech, and OK State if Texas would come. If Texas doesn't go, they hinted that they would probably rescind the offers to OU, Tech, and OK State.

My guess is this is what happen. They already said Texas can keep "The Longhorn Network", (which I believe last year wasn't an option) but had to make cash concessions to the conference. My guess is Texas said no to that. They want to keep their $93M.

No that isn't the word. The WORD is that they don't want Texas at all because of how it wants control and will not part w/ the LHN. Thats what I am reading.

 

[YosemiteSam]

No that isn't the word. The WORD is that they don't want Texas at all because of how it wants control and will not part w/ the LHN. Thats what I am reading.

You would be dead wrong. The Pac12 was proposing a deal where Texas gets to keep the Longhorn Network.

The proposed deal would allow Texas to keep ESPN's Longhorn Network, though The Statesman reports the network would have to add other Pac-12 programming to the network.

 

[Dallas]

You would be dead wrong. The Pac12 was proposing a deal where Texas gets to keep the Longhorn Network.

Well you are wrong and you lie. Known fact.

I win. Go direct some infrastructure.


My point is that Texas really began all of this mess when it climbed into bed w/ ESPN and the Commissioner of the 12 and the LHN.

It's why the 12 finally popped and schools got tired of how things were being or appears to be going through Austin.

I am just hoping that the Big12 can be saved.

Invite WVU and BYU and another solid school and let's play some football and get past this political BS between schools.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I am just hoping that the Big12 can be saved.

Invite WVU and BYU and another solid school and let's play some football and get past this political BS between schools.

I agree. I want the Big12 to stay and invite other school. I think UT, ESPN, and the rest of the Big12 (or Big16 whatever they can become) can workout a deal with them all.

Texas easily has the most pull / money, but I think it's in their best interest to give back at least a little to the conference. They are going to find themselves in a field by themselves if they stay super greedy. They have a good thing now. Use the other teams in the conference to make it better.

As for them getting the Longhorn Network. I don't blame them. It's a cash cow. Hell, the only reason Texas Rangers got that HUGE $1.6B deal from FOX is because the Rangers were going to create their own network. FOX was willing to overpay for the rights to it. The Rangers accepted the deal because starting the Texas Rangers Network would have been very expensive up front. This way, they got huge sums of cash ($80M a year) without having to layout huge sums of cash to start.

The Longhorns were very smart in creating the Longhorn Network. It has proven to be a cash cow. The Longhorns earned $93M last year.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

This is temporary. The current BCS system lasts till 2013-14, by the time the 2014 season kicks off, we will have four 16 team confrences and a playoff.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Id rather have five 14-team confrences and a plus one.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I hope this means OU doesn't go west, but who knows if this is just posturing at this point to avoid the possible legal issues.

 

[Stautner]

The Big 12 is dying. Even if not this year, soon either Texas or OU will leave, and the conference cannot survive without both. It's already going to be anemic without Nebraska and A&M, but if either OU or Texas leaves that will be the final hammer.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

PAC
1. USC
2. Oregon
3. Oregon St.
4. Stanford
5. UCLA
6. Washington
7. Washington St.
8. Arizona
9. Arizona St.
10. Utah
11. Cal
12. Colorado
13. BYU
14. Hawaii


SEC
1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Florida
4. Tennessee
5. South Carolina
6 Georgia
7. Kentucky
8. Vanderbilt
9. Arkansas
10. Auburn
11. Mississippi State
12. Texas A&M
13. Missouri
14. Ole Miss


BIG 14
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Michigan State
4. Illinois
5. Indiana
6 Minnesota
7. North Western
8. Nebraska
9. Purdue
10. Penn State
11. Wisconsin
12. UCONN
13. Rutgers
14. Iowa

BIG 12/East
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Oklahoma State
4. Texas Tech
5. Baylor
6 Iowa State
7. Kansas
8. Kansas State
9. T.C.U
10. Louisville
11. West Virginia
12. Cincinnati
13. South Florida
14. Boise State


ACC
1. North Carolina
2. Duke
3. Boston College
4. Syracuse
5. Pitt
6 Georgia Tech
7. Clemson
8. Wake Forrest
9. Maryland
10. North Carolina State
11. Virgina
12. Virgina Tech
13. Miami
14. Florida State

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think it's ridiculous to say that it was the Longhorn TV Contract that was at the heart of all of this. In reality, the super conference idea goes back to the 80s and was started with the ACC and the SEC. As far as Exclusive TV deals, that was NBC and the Irish. Texas was pro-active on the TV contract because both Nebraska and Colorado had already expressed interest in jumping from the Big 12. TAMU had talked about the SEC long before it happened and the SEC had talked about OU for years. I don't blame Texas at all for doing this.

Had Texas decided to go to the PAC12, I think both OU and Texas would have been members but without Texas, the PAC12 was not going to expand. They didn't want OU OKSt. It is what it is.

Big 12 is talking about adding BYU, AFA and TCU according to reports. IMO, those are very good replacements to Nebraska (TCU), TAMU (BYU) and Colorado (AFA). In my opinion, TCU is a better program, currently then Nebraska, BYU is on par with Aggie teams in recent history and the Air Force Academy is a better program then Colorado straight up. I think the Big 12 gets stronger if they add these three teams. Would still like to see us add Boise and/or Notre Dame but I would be happy with the additions reported as well.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But the LHN is the cause of it, or at least the final straw. Teams got sick of the unequal treatment. Why should Alabama and USC and LSU and Ohio State share equally with conference partners but Texas demands more than everyone else?

And supposedly the reason the Pac-12 doesn't want Texas is that they are only interested in equal sharing while UT insisted they weren't giving up their network.

Finally, there's no way BYU is as good as A&M or TCU as Nebraska... No way. The current teams may be (though even that isn't true) but the fan bases aren't even close.

 

[YosemiteSam]

And supposedly the reason the Pac-12 doesn't want Texas is that they are only interested in equal sharing while UT insisted they weren't giving up their network.

You're not paying attention. They *WANT* Texas, but they want Texas to share their cash cow. It's Texas they want, not the other schools. The cash cow that Texas is, is why they want them.

 

[Dallas]

You're not paying attention. They *WANT* Texas, but they want Texas to share their cash cow. It's Texas they want, not the other schools. The cash cow that Texas is, is why they want them.

I guess we will have to disagree on that. Nothing came out that the decision not to expand for the Pac12 was because Texas didn't want to share. Everything I have read is that they didn't want Texas to have the LHN at all, not because Texas didn't want to share it. That and they truly do NOT want to expand right now.

 

[Cythim]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-conferencerealignment

Former Big Eight Commissioner Chuck Neinas told The Associated Press on Thursday morning that he has been contacted by members of the Big 12 about possibly replacing commissioner Dan Beebe on an interim basis, and that he’s interested.


Texas President William Powers declared Wednesday that the Longhorns—who receive more media money than other members of the Big 12—are open to a new revenue-sharing model and have already suggested that top-level television and cable money be shared equally.

 

[Dallas]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-conferencerealignment

Former Big Eight Commissioner Chuck Neinas told The Associated Press on Thursday morning that he has been contacted by members of the Big 12 about possibly replacing commissioner Dan Beebe on an interim basis, and that he’s interested.


Texas President William Powers declared Wednesday that the Longhorns—who receive more media money than other members of the Big 12—are open to a new revenue-sharing model and have already suggested that top-level television and cable money be shared equally.

One of Oklahoma's demands for staying and helping w/ the Big12 is that Dan Beebe be removed as Commissioner. The guy has truly blown it. He was never there for any of the schools that have left.

Sad. You need a Commissioner who keeps the peace and leads and at least makes certain there is no perceived bias towards other school members.

Something Beebe never did.