Pac12 will NOT be expanding...

[YosemiteSam]

I guess we will have to disagree on that. Nothing came out that the decision not to expand for the Pac12 was because Texas didn't want to share. Everything I have read is that they didn't want Texas to have the LHN at all, not because Texas didn't want to share it. That and they truly do NOT want to expand right now.

I posted a link to an article yesterday that said the Pac was going to make an offer to Texas that included Texas keeping LHN. The requirement was that the LHN play other Pac games on their station.

 

[Rogah]

I think it's ridiculous to say that it was the Longhorn TV Contract that was at the heart of all of this. In reality, the super conference idea goes back to the 80s and was started with the ACC and the SEC. As far as Exclusive TV deals, that was NBC and the Irish. Texas was pro-active on the TV contract because both Nebraska and Colorado had already expressed interest in jumping from the Big 12. TAMU had talked about the SEC long before it happened and the SEC had talked about OU for years. I don't blame Texas at all for doing this.

Come on, ABQ, don't be so much of an apologist.

Texas is doing an awful lot of the same selfish things people hate (and I mean hate) Notre Dame for doing, only Notre Dame is an independent whereas Texas is destroying an entire conference in the process.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Dan Beebe is a Texas homer anyway. I heard he was once at one of their games wearing a Texas shirt. I'm sure the Longhorns will do everything they can to keep him in power.

*Edit* And just minutes after I type that, it's been reported that he has resigned!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Come on, ABQ, don't be so much of an apologist.

Texas is doing an awful lot of the same selfish things people hate (and I mean hate) Notre Dame for doing, only Notre Dame is an independent whereas Texas is destroying an entire conference in the process.

No, I guess I just don't see it that way. If Texas does nothing, they are flat footed when TAMU, Colorado and Nebraska leave. Why is it a bad idea to have a plan? The LNW didn't force any of those schools to leave. Heck, OU will have their own channel next year. Would it be better to sit by and wait till you have no options or is it better to plan for it and put yourself in the best possible position? Texas is not the Big 12, there are other teams. If Texas is indeed that important, then what does that say about the other teams? I guess I just don't look at it as you do. Teams have been making contingency plans for several years now. If it would not have been Texas, it would have been OU or TAMU or whomever IMO.

 

[StylisticS]

The other schools do not have a problem with the LHN. It's the content they are worried about such as high school sports and anything that somehow gave them a competitive advantage. But showing university sports and practices and coaching shows are fine. OU wants one for themselves. I think the schools let all of their anger out on Texas when it should have went to ESPN. They are the ones that wanted high school games on there.

 

[Rogah]

No, I guess I just don't see it that way. If Texas does nothing, they are flat footed when TAMU, Colorado and Nebraska leave. Why is it a bad idea to have a plan? The LNW didn't force any of those schools to leave. Heck, OU will have their own channel next year. Would it be better to sit by and wait till you have no options or is it better to plan for it and put yourself in the best possible position? Texas is not the Big 12, there are other teams. If Texas is indeed that important, then what does that say about the other teams? I guess I just don't look at it as you do. Teams have been making contingency plans for several years now. If it would not have been Texas, it would have been OU or TAMU or whomever IMO.

Texas wants to be treated as first among equals. And there's really no disputing the idea that their network has ruffled quite a few feathers. They don't seem to realize that the network won't exist if they don't have rivals to actually play their games against. I doubt many will tune in for a Longhorns-Longhorns intrasquad game.

I once asked this board why Notre Dame was so reviled and I saw responses like "because they're so greedy" and "because they have their own network". How is TX any different? At least ND is independent.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Texas wants to be treated as first among equals. And there's really no disputing the idea that their network has ruffled quite a few feathers. They don't seem to realize that the network won't exist if they don't have rivals to actually play their games against. I doubt many will tune in for a Longhorns-Longhorns intrasquad game.

I once asked this board why Notre Dame was so reviled and I saw responses like "because they're so greedy" and "because they have their own network". How is TX any different? At least ND is independent.

I know that you are not going to try and pitch that ND independent thing. ND is independent in football only and that is only because they don't want to share the TV revenue. They are part of a conference for everything else because they want to share the expense of other sports with other Universities. ND has been doing the same thing but worse. Texas has invested the money to set up the Network they are currently using. ND spent zero an NBC covered the costs. There is nothing more noble about what Notre Damn is doing IMO.

If you want to say that Texas is greedy, OK. They invested their capitol, anybody could have done this. If it fails, it's their failed investment. Remember that Texas would have been an Independent already had the Texas Legislation not have stepped in and prevented it.

 

[Rogah]

I know that you are not going to try and pitch that ND independent thing. ND is independent in football only and that is only because they don't want to share the TV revenue.

Yes, that's correct. Well, presumably, it's because they don't want to share any of the revenue, not just the TV revenue.

They are part of a conference for everything else because they want to share the expense of other sports with other Universities.

They are part of the Big East in several other sports because other sports simply don't lend themselves to an independent all-non-conference schedule like Notre Dame football does. Obviously the Big East has no problem with that setup since their athletic department (minus football) was welcomed into the Big East with open arms. ND is not the only school to have different conference affiliations for different sports.

ND has been doing the same thing but worse. Texas has invested the money to set up the Network they are currently using. ND spent zero an NBC covered the costs. There is nothing more noble about what Notre Damn is doing IMO.

I'm not saying anybody is noble here, I'm just saying that each group did similar things. But TX alienated a whole bunch of partners and destroyed an entire conference in the process.

If you want to say that Texas is greedy, OK. They invested their capitol, anybody could have done this. If it fails, it's their failed investment. Remember that Texas would have been an Independent already had the Texas Legislation not have stepped in and prevented it.

They may still get their way. Although I don't think LHNW's ratings are going to be that high when the bulk of their football schedule consists of such powerhouses as Tulsa, LA Tech and North Texas.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, that's correct. Well, presumably, it's because they don't want to share any of the revenue, not just the TV revenue.
They are part of the Big East in several other sports because other sports simply don't lend themselves to an independent all-non-conference schedule like Notre Dame football does. Obviously the Big East has no problem with that setup since their athletic department (minus football) was welcomed into the Big East with open arms. ND is not the only school to have different conference affiliations for different sports.
I'm not saying anybody is noble here, I'm just saying that each group did similar things. But TX alienated a whole bunch of partners and destroyed an entire conference in the process.
They may still get their way. Although I don't think LHNW's ratings are going to be that high when the bulk of their football schedule consists of such powerhouses as Tulsa, LA Tech and North Texas.

If you wish to believe that it was Texas who created the problems in the Big 12, so be it. I don't feel that way. If Texas had not done this, OU would have and they would be in position to have their own network next season while Texas would not. Had the Big 12 really cared, they would have prevented Colorado and Nebraska from ever leaving and starting this whole mess. They would have prevented TAMU from doing what they did. They would have make the Big 12 strong and prevented this madness. None of this happened and as a result, we are where we are. I can not fault any team for trying to look after themselves when their own conference fails to protect their members. I just don't see the wrong in that.