Packers ask to make tush push illegal

[gtb1943]

I remember.

another dumb rule change by the competition committee.

this year, you cannot do an onside kick until the fourth quarter
you can only do it twice
AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE OTHER TEAM WARNING

morons

 

[Fmart322]

another dumb rule change by the competition committee.

this year, you cannot do an onside kick until the fourth quarter
you can only do it twice
AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE OTHER TEAM WARNING

morons

Wish this rule was in place on December 7th, 1941.
Lol

 

[gtb1943]

Wish this rule was in place on December 7th, 1941.
Lol

well, their original plan was to give us one hour warning, sort of.
ya know, like a five second head start trying to outrun a cheetah

 

[Cowboys1966]

Just implement some rule that prevents injury while also evening the match up...

Something along the lines of:

You have to designated the play before hand

No trickery to the outside

Olineman and DLineman can't dart their bodies to the ground trying to get the lowest position

If you want a muscle play...at least designate it and make it where there can't be trickery.

The offense is always at an advantage. Allowing a bulldozer play with an option of trickery is too unfair, imo. Take something away to make it more even.

Defenses have to deal with this play and running QBs while attempting to chase receivers around...something has to give...it's too easy to scheme against.

Don't say rules can't be implemented...there are thousands of them. It's like saying taking pre snap motion away would ruin the game

What a silly post. Let it stand or ban it for safety reasons. Don’t over litigate it.

 

[FanofJerry]

What a silly post. Let it stand or ban it for safety reasons. Don’t over litigate it.

What's silly about it?

Other things are litigated in football.

It's too easy of a play. When perfected, it's too easy to force the defenses hand..."stack 6 or 7 or 8 guys in the middle, I'll fake it to the outside"

It's the center, both guards, the QB and two backs...that's 6 guys pushing up a small lane. The other team has to have 6 or 7 guys to defend it properly.

Too easy to scheme a chunk play or gain an easy short yardage first down.

You could run a jet sweep and have a tackle swing out and block...a left tackle and a wr on one side blocking for the jet sweep runner...against probably one corner back. The jet sweep guy just has to break one tackle, maybe from a safety, and it's going to the house. Or fake the tush push and have a speedy receiver burn his man.

The defense is spread to thin, imo. I don't like watching sports where one team had a significant advantage. In this case, the offense.

Right now it isn't being overly used, but I could see it getting there and ruining the viewers pleasure. The running QB is about to start getting out of hand. Can't believe coaches aren't taking advantage of it...the ones who have running QBs. I think Mahomes could grab 7 yards on most plays easily. That starts to wear on the viewer, if the defense literally can't stop it. I mean...it's looking like only like 3 teams had the personnel to stop it if KC just spammed it. That starts to get to a point of not entertaining to me...maybe not you.

 

[DZSierra]

I see Troy Vincent mentioned their safety committee is looking into it. I think they end up banning it.

From what I've read, not one injury has been reported from all the teams running it.

Want to stop it? Stop the team from getting short on 3rd or 4th.

To ban the play, all you need to do is ban teammates pushing their teammate forward on the field. Thing is, the NFL probably won't do it. To ban it due to one formation is kind of like stupid.

 

[FanofJerry]

From what I've read, not one injury has been reported from all the teams running it.

Want to stop it? Stop the team from getting short on 3rd or 4th.

To ban the play, all you need to do is ban teammates pushing their teammate forward on the field. Thing is, the NFL probably won't do it. To ban it due to one formation is kind of like stupid.

Banning pushing teammates forward would impact a lot of plays.

It would prevent lineman from helping the ball carrier downfield...you see that play a lot. Running back gets stoop up by a defender but neither go down, there is a short stalemet, until lineman come from behind to reinforce the runningback.

Maybe if you prevented pushing non ball carriers. Still gets hazy, though.

Best thing to do is for the nfl to monitor the success rate of the play, determine if many things have been tried to stop it but aren't working, have convo with coaches and players about the play.

I would assume it's too early to ban it. I could see the play being too easy to scheme for chunk yardage in the near future.

It's a rugby play. I like watching football plays. Nothing against rugby at all.

 

[DZSierra]

Banning pushing teammates forward would impact a lot of plays.

So what? For most of the time the NFL existed it was illegal to push a teammate forward.

Either ban helping the ball carrier forward or allow the play.

Don't ban the play because you're a little sniffling coward and you're afraid of one the success of one team running it.

 

[DZSierra]

Best thing to do is for the nfl to monitor the success rate of the play, determine if many things have been tried to stop it but aren't working, have convo with coaches and players about the play.

How many times has the played been run against the Eagles and what was the success rate against them?

Again, ball helping the forward progress of the ball carrier and the play is eliminated.

 

[FanofJerry]

So what? For most of the time the NFL existed it was illegal to push a teammate forward.

Either ban helping the ball carrier forward or allow the play.

Don't ban the play because you're a little sniffling coward and you're afraid of one the success of one team running it.

Yawn

Let it out

Call me names for wanting a stimulating product

You watch college football and think 55 to 3 final scores are stimulating...LSU vs the local community College in football.

I think the play sucks for the sport. Not that it isn't smart or whatever...I think it's boring and stresses the defense out too much.

If every team did that on 4th and short it would make the thrill of 4th downs, and the game, less fun to watch. In my opinion.

But I'm a coward

 

[Cowboys1966]

What's silly about it?

Other things are litigated in football.

It's too easy of a play. When perfected, it's too easy to force the defenses hand..."stack 6 or 7 or 8 guys in the middle, I'll fake it to the outside"

It's the center, both guards, the QB and two backs...that's 6 guys pushing up a small lane. The other team has to have 6 or 7 guys to defend it properly.

Too easy to scheme a chunk play or gain an easy short yardage first down.

You could run a jet sweep and have a tackle swing out and block...a left tackle and a wr on one side blocking for the jet sweep runner...against probably one corner back. The jet sweep guy just has to break one tackle, maybe from a safety, and it's going to the house. Or fake the tush push and have a speedy receiver burn his man.

The defense is spread to thin, imo. I don't like watching sports where one team had a significant advantage. In this case, the offense.

Right now it isn't being overly used, but I could see it getting there and ruining the viewers pleasure. The running QB is about to start getting out of hand. Can't believe coaches aren't taking advantage of it...the ones who have running QBs. I think Mahomes could grab 7 yards on most plays easily. That starts to wear on the viewer, if the defense literally can't stop it. I mean...it's looking like only like 3 teams had the personnel to stop it if KC just spammed it. That starts to get to a point of not entertaining to me...maybe not you.

You don’t litigate something because one team is good at it. Not allowing offshoots run off of it is just pathetic.

 

[FanofJerry]

You don’t litigate something because one team is good at it. Not allowing offshoots run off of it is just pathetic.

Cool

Attacking me is pathetic

Baseball took away outfield adjustments...why? Because baseball is a sissy sport?

Attack! You hateful language! Let it out!

 

[DZSierra]

Call me names for wanting a stimulating product

I get it. That's why you are most likely pass happy vs the run game.

YOU are the fan that Roger is trying to cater to.

PS, if you beat a team 55 to 3, there is a very good chance you aren't going to be using the tush push if you're the winning team

Just because one team can run the play better than anyone else, you think it should not be allowed. I could be wrong, but I believe the bills are getting pretty good at the tush push as well.

You are a coward though IMO because you responded but couldn't answer one direct question I asked you.

 

[FanofJerry]

I get it. That's why you are most likely pass happy vs the run game.

YOU are the fan that Roger is trying to cater to.

PS, if you beat a team 55 to 3, there is a very good chance you aren't going to be using the tush push if you're the winning team

Just because one team can run the play better than anyone else, you think it should not be allowed. I could be wrong, but I believe the bills are getting pretty good at the tush push as well.

You are a coward though IMO because you responded but couldn't answer one direct question I asked you.

You got me wrong.

I've been saying I can see it get out of control. It's already kind of weak, 6 guys pushing through a small lane when the defense has to defend the whole field with 11 guys.

At least boxing implemented weight classes to make thr viewing product better....because it gets out of hand. Sure, there are some small guys that can scrap with big dudes, but like college football, most fights would become unstimulating.

Let it out! Call me a coward...it does nothing and makes you look like a childish bully. Internet negativity is coward like. Send someone to beat me up in person to win some stupid argument lol. It's childish

 

[DZSierra]

You got me wrong.

I've been saying I can see it get out of control. It's already kind of weak, 6 guys pushing through a small lane when the defense has to defend the whole field with 11 guys.

At least boxing implemented weight classes to make thr viewing product better....because it gets out of hand. Sure, there are some small guys that can scrap with big dudes, but like college football, most fights would become unstimulating.

Let it out! Call me a coward...it does nothing and makes you look like a childish bully. Internet negativity is coward like. Send someone to beat me up in person to win some stupid argument lol. It's childish

Long story short, if you have 3rd or 4th and short yardage, if you can get it on a "tush push" play, why not?

Just so were on the same page, make it illegal to push the ball carrier forward anywhere on the field and I'm fine with that. If it's at the line of scrimmage and you have a issue with it, then coward it is!

 

[nightrain]

The League should not interfere with Tush Push. The Eagles, to their credit, have built a significant competitive advantage with an OL that no one can stop on that given play. The rest of the league should figure out how to compete instead of whining to the League Office about getting steamrolled.

 

[FanofJerry]

The League should not interfere with Tush Push. The Eagles, to their credit, have built a significant competitive advantage with an OL that no one can stop on that given play. The rest of the league should figure out how to compete instead of whining to the League Office about getting steamrolled.

It seems too easy to scheme against to me.
The defense is pretty much going to have to stack their formation like the offense, with basically 2 rows or 3 defenders in the middle to match the 2 rows of 3 guys for the offense. That leaves 5 guys on defense to set edge and guard the whole damn field.

All you have to do on offense is run your lone WR in motion behind the QB and 2 backs...and it creates all sorts of problems for the defense to handle.

You can snap to the WR in motion, you can quick pitch to him...and he can run or throw it to a releasing TE or back or QB.

It creates a lot of issues for the defense. It's like a secondary being forced to guard the entire field with 3 guys.

All that has to happen is a fake tush push to the middle and the ball carrier break on tackle on the outside and it's a TD...or a fake tush push and the WR in motion gets the ball and has to break one tackle or make one juke for a TD...or the WR in motion passes to a TE that sneakily releases.

It's a lot of ground to cover for a defense. Most of their squad is being forced to guard the middle push while also having 2 guys set contain.

Seems like it could get out of hand to me. I'll let the NFL, coaches, players and fans figure it out.

I could see reams getting beat on the scenarios I posted above, and teams say 'f this...were putting only 3 or 4 guys in the middle' and protecting against the chunk yardage play. This, essentially, would turn 4th and short yardage into guaranteed 1st downs, as 3 or 4 guys trying to stop 6 pushing up the middle won't work well. In this situation, I guess you protect against the deep ball and give the 1st down. Could have a weird side effect on games if it got this far.

Maybe it's not a big deal...I could just see it getting too easy