Packers propose banning Tush Push

[KingCorcoran]

Your explanation is how the World is pretty pathetic.

I remember vividly in the early 2000's about how the illusion just would not accept Urban Myer's style of gimmicky offense in the NFL...it's for high school and college...not the NFL.

Yet here we are with wild motion plays and qbs throwing no look passes.

It just makes the world depressing with lie after lie after lie...for no reason other than to get over on someone.

Who repeatedly digs into refusing to accept a gimmicky offense...just to argue?


That being said...I've outlined how the tush push could drastically change the game on short distance downs. Change it to where it's a different viewing experience due to lack of hype for short yardage downs

If 2nd down and 1 or 3rd down and 1 turn into gimmees...it's a different product. It turns into not being allowed to give up 8 yards on a set of downs instead of 9

The owners will do what they believe is best for their investment in the long run. If they feel keeping it allowed is in their best financial interests it stays. I doubt they’ll start rejecting innovation.

 

[gimmesix]

Yep. Just put the rule back the way it was forever and don't allow it at all. Not sure why the NFL even changed it to begin with, except they always want more offense.

I think they didn't want to regulate it. They would have to distinguish between a block and a push and sometimes there is a gray area there. If I come up and block you while you are trying to tackle an RB and also happen to knock the RB forward in the process, is that a push? If two of us are blocking on either side of the RB trying to fight for yards and we nudge the whole pile forward, is that a push? I think the push has to be clearly defined as someone putting his hands or body directly on the ball carrier. If he is blocking another player, even if that causes incidental contact with the ball carrier and helps him move forward, it's not a push.

 

[gimmesix]

Yes, if they are engaged with a blocker and stay engaged and that morphs into them pushing the pile that's football

I don't think it's even necessary for them to have been engaged or stay engaged. If the back is fighting for yardage and a lineman runs up and smacks a linebacker to knock him off the back, then that should be OK because he made a block while the play was still alive. If he comes up and essentially tries to carry the back for yards, that should be illegal.

Like on the tush push, I would see no problem with the players behind the QB running up next to him at the snap and plunging into the defenders to block them. Blocking is part of the game.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I don't think it's even necessary for them to have been engaged or stay engaged. If the back is fighting for yardage and a lineman runs up and smacks a linebacker to knock him off the back, then that should be OK because he made a block while the play was still alive. If he comes up and essentially tries to carry the back for yards, that should be illegal.

Like on the tush push, I would see no problem with the players behind the QB running up next to him at the snap and plunging into the defenders to block them. Blocking is part of the game.

Pushing the ball carrier is also part of the game since the 2006 season. The NCAA followed suit seven years later.

The ball carrier may not be pulled or carried.

 

[gimmesix]

Pushing the ball carrier is also part of the game since the 2006 season. The NCAA followed suit seven years later.

The ball carrier may not be pulled or carried.

Since 2006. I don't think it should have ever been part of the game. You should get the yardage you can get, not the yardage you can get with half the team pushing you.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Yep. Just put the rule back the way it was forever and don't allow it at all. Not sure why the NFL even changed it to begin with, except they always want more offense.

So the basic concept for removing the no pushing rule was that when a running back is down field, if he’s stalled it’s because he’s got 2+ guys dragging on him.

So lineman will come and shove those guys and the whole pile goes forward. Refs don’t throw a flag, and the defense’s coach says “That’s illegal! He pushed the pile!” Then the offensive coach will say, “No one was pushing the RB, our guys were blocking the defensive players to get them off the RB! The pile moving forward was incidental.” How does a ref prove the blockers aren’t intent to get the defenders off the RB when them engaging with said defenders moved the pile forward? So they don’t call it again and again unless it’s especially egregious. But no coach likes that because if they’re on the opposite side then all of them are egregious.

So the principle line of thought is A) if it’s only ever gonna happen when the ball carrier has a bunch of guys on him, and B) it’s gonna appear that the Olineman could be blocking when they interact with the guys on the ball carrier to move the pile forward, what’s the point in the ref having to differentiate all this just to pick up the flag? We’re allowing it anyway because we can’t call a penalty when it happens, so may as well make it legal to reduce the ref’s handcuffs.

Now the tush push is a completely different circumstance But this is why the Packers worded their proposal to specifically be, “When the ball carrier who has taken the snap is immediately pushed forward”. That is directly attacking the tush push while leaving all other scenarios alone, because they know otherwise it would immediately get shot down because no one wants to go back to the hassle of the way it was.

So in short, you and others make not like that it’s allowed, but no one was really happy when it wasn’t. Football is an imperfect sport, and sometimes you just have to find middle ground to keep things kosher.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So in short, you and others make not like that it’s allowed, but no one was really happy when it wasn’t. Football is an imperfect sport, and sometimes you just have to find middle ground to keep things kosher.

You're totally wrong on this. I remember well when you weren't allowed to push -- it's not like this was ancient history -- and it wasn't even a thing. It definitely wasn't some controversy that "no one was happy with" as you claim.

Before it was legal, no one ran downfield and pushed the ball carrier because, well, it was illegal. And come on, it's not that hard to tell when a guy is pushing and when he's blocking a defender.

At first I wondered why you were taking this stance, then I remembered you were an Eagles fan. That explains it.