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I wonder if the closest parallel to Marion Barber in Cowboys’ history is Robert Newhouse. Like Newhouse, Barber runs much tougher than his size would suggest, and he might not have the breakaway speed and elusiveness to be a true, full-time tailback. But like Newhouse, Barber is a quality player and a valuable running back.

Newhouse’s most productive season was 1975 when he rushed for 930 yards (4.4 yards/carry) during a 14-game regular season. Extrapolating this stats into a 16-game season, Newhouse would have run for 1,063 yards.

Barber rushed last year for 975 yards (4.8 yards/carry). He averaged 60.9 yards/game. In 1975, Newhouse rushed for 66.4 yards/game.

In 1975, Newhouse also caught 34 passes and averaged 8.1 yards/catch. Over a 16-game season, that equates to 39 receptions. Last year, Barber caught 44 passes (6.4 yards/catch).

On a 16-game basis, Newhouse was responsible for 1,377 yards from scrimmage during 1975. In 2007, Barber was responsible for 1,257 yards from scrimmage.

For those who don’t recall, Newhouse was no one-season wonder. He ran for 4,787 yards in his career, averaging 4.1 yards/carry. In fact, Newhouse’s 1974 season was not dissimilar to Barber’s.

In ’74, Newhouse rushed for 501 yards, averaging 4.0 yards/carry. Over 16 games, that equates to 573 yards. In 2006, Barber rushed for 654 yards (4.8 yards/carry).

Like Barber, Newhouse brought tremendous energy to the Cowboys offense. Many of his runs were highlight film/quality, and his unwillingness to be tackled often brought the fans to their feet.

It’s true that Newhouse played a lot of fullback. But the position was different in those days and in the Landry offense. The fullback was a productive ball carrier. In 13 games in 1969, Walt Garrison rushed for 818 yards (4.6 yards/carry). In 1972, he ran for 784 yards in 14 games (4.7 yards/carry).

In fact, one might argue that there are parallels between Barber and Garrison. Barber = Newhouse? Garrison? For those who think this is some slight of Barber, please think otherwise. Newhouse and Garrison were great football players.

But Dallas drafted Dorsett in 1977. The Cowboys also drafted Calvin Hill in 1969 and Duane Thomas in 1970. Perhaps showing signs of the hubris that plagued later Cowboys drafts under Gil Brandt, amazingly, Dallas also picked RB Bill Thomas in the first round in 1972… and RB Charley Young in 1974.

It’s true that Dallas was forced to trade-up only for Dorsett. Hill and Thomas fell in the Cowboys’ lap, but at that time, Dallas was pretty confident that a player it had ranked in its top 10 – especially one from Yale or West Texas State (where Duane Thomas played fullback, while Mercury Morris played halfback) – would slide down the board. Dallas was confident that other teams could not match its famous “computerized” draft preparation.

By 1977, teams were on a more level playing field, and there wasn’t a chance that Dorsett would be drafted later than #2. By the way, the trade up for Dorsett was contingent upon Tampa Bay taking the ill-fated Ricky Bell with the first pick. Dallas had no interest in trading up for Bell.

My usual long-winded point: Not only are there parallels between Barber and Newhouse, or indeed between Barber and Garrison (though less perfect), there also are parallels between the conditions of those times.

In 1977, fresh from falling just short of its ultimate goal, Dallas determined that it needed, yeah, more “juice” in its offense and a more explosive running back. Tex Schramm did what was necessary to trade up for Dorsett. It wasn’t a particularly surprising move, given that Dallas – even with a strong running game – had taken the same approach just a few years earlier, first drafting Hill (who became known as “SuperRook”), then drafting Duane Thomas, the latter of which played a large role in getting the Cowboys into two Super Bowls, the latter of which became the team’s first world championship, when it beat Miami.

Surely Schramm/Landry/Brandt considered the first dynamic when deciding to make a bold move to get Dorsett.

If all this appears to be an endorsement of a trade up to get Darren McFadden, that’s really not the case. First of all, we have no idea that the current Cowboys regime has McFadden rated on a plane that would make fair a comparison to the Dorsett situation. Beyond that, the game has changed, and one can make a strong argument that the running game is not nearly as important now – in the days of handcuffed defensive backs and short passing attacks – than it was in the 1970s.

But I do distrust the analysis of some of the pundits. You will hear “Teams can get running backs in any round,” but that is true of virtually every position. Heck, it would appear that you can get a Pro Bowl quarterback as an original free agent. You will also see lists of RB “busts” littered through the first 10 picks of the draft. But there are busts at every position, and I’ve seen no evidence that RBs are more or less likely to be busts. Maybe there is evidence. I haven’t seen it. What is true that RBs chosen early, like QBs, are at high profile positions, their performances are more statistics-trackable than players at many positions, and their “bust” status is likely to be more noticeable and easier for fans to discern quite quickly.

I also read that some recent “great” running backs haven’t gotten to the Super Bowl. I find this an absurd position. O.J. Simpson starred for terrible teams. Jim Brown failed to overcome Bart Starr. The Bears didn’t win a Super Bowl until Walter Payton was in the twilight of his career. Then as now, teams win Super Bowls.

Great players at many positions were unable to vault their teams to championship prominence… Anthony Munoz, Dick Butkus, Merlin Olsen, Deacon Jones, Charley Taylor, Roger Wherli, Jackie Smith, John Brodie, Jimmy Johnson (49ers CB), Jim Hart, Dan Fouts… and on and on and on.

The key is to put together a collection of stars, a strong supporting cast, and a healthy, winning locker room. Some luck also is useful. Teams can win with great RBs (Dorsett, Duane Thomas, Emmitt Smith, Franco Harris, Marcus Allen… etc.), and they can win with a solid running game that doesn’t really feature a big-time running game. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat.

My point is really to note that there are pretty striking parallels at work this year between the Cowboys past, present, and hopefully, future. McFadden might not be a worthwhile target, but it’s a mistake to simply dismiss the idea based on the dubious analysis of some in the punditry.
 

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Enjoy your posts. I would love to talk Cowboy football with you some time. You seem to have some ties to the old Cowboys organization.

I also appreciate your historical perspective on the trade-up for Dorsett.


As for the issue of whether a great RB can put a team over the top, one could point out that John Elwy was unable to grab his 2 Lombardi Trophys until Terrell Davis arrived in Denver.
 

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That would be an enjoyable conversation, and who knows? Maybe we could make it happen some time. Be fun to have a meeting of lots of mind at a sports bar in some city that would work for folks. I travel a lot, a lot, a lot in my job...

I had some "semi-insider" ties to the organization at one time, though I'm not sure everyone here would approve of those ties. Now it's definitely more outsider looking in. Mostly though, I've always felt that history is a good teacher, and it's interesting to attempt to find historical parallels between today's and yesterday's Cowboys.

You are right on about Elway and Davis. Obviously, the same can be said for Staubach/Duane Thomas, Staubach/Dorsett, and Aikman/Emmitt.

And for all the pros and cons surrounding Bill Parcells -- there are good many of both -- I have always liked his description of scouting players by looking for similarities with other players he has seen be successful (or unsuccessful) in the NFL.

If someone were to ask me to name a runner that reminded me most of Barber, it might very well be Newhouse. It was a vehicle to get to the point that a great appreciation of Barber's skills doesn't preclude the possibility that another, more explosive runner might be a large piece in finally putting the Super Bowl puzzle together.
 

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Can I subscribe to 2 to 3 threads like this per week form you Shake? Absolutely been some of the best stuff all off season. Yet another great thread.

Robert "Surge" Newhouse is one of my all time favorite players and is the reason why when I went to college I decided to try out for Fullback instead of Defense. No, I am not comparing myself to him. I wish.
 

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Good thread, I have actually thought about this question before. And you make good points about Newhouse.

I think as far as just his reckless running style though IMO he more closely resembles Calvin Hill, Hill would sacrifice his body for a couple of yards. Hill paid a price later in his career for all those hits but he had a solid career none the less.
 

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Hey, there is no reason not to try to be the best you can be! And it's an accomplishment to play at all at a higher level than high school. Not many make it.

In your mind's eye, do you see that comparison with Barber? Or is my memory playing tricks?
 

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Prior was a response to Hos. I see your comparison to Hill, though. I think Calvin had a more upright rushing style, and of course, he was 6'4. Calvin also left the ground frequently, hurling tacklers rather than using a straight arm, juking, or using pure power. I will never forget his rookie year. And does anyone recall a huge victory over the Jets, when Calvin and Duane Thomas were healthy together for the first time? It looked as if the Cowboys offense could never be stopped. Fate intervened.
 

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shaketiller;2001126 said:
Prior was a response to Hos. I see your comparison to Hill, though. I think Calvin had a more upright rushing style, and of course, he was 6'4. Calvin also left the ground frequently, hurling tacklers rather than using a straight arm, juking, or using pure power. I will never forget his rookie year. And does anyone recall a huge victory over the Jets, when Calvin and Duane Thomas were healthy together for the first time? It looked as if the Cowboys offense could never be stopped. Fate intervened.

Yes I remember Calvin and Duane together I had the same thoughts as you. After all those years of having solid but only modestly talented tailbacks Dallas finally had a talented and scary (for the competition) backfield.

I agree with your points on Calvin he was a more upright runner, I was comparing his reckless attitude more so than his technique. I mean Barber and Newhouse didn't run much alike other than the fact it usually took more than one person to bring them down. Newhouse to me was a get lost in the middle, bowling ball kind of runner and Barber is more of a challenge the defender to make a play type. Each has his place that's why I usually shy away from the comparison threads, Its so hard to compare players who played in different eras.

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Oh by the way Robert Newhouse has always been one of my favorite Cowboys. I live just a few miles from Hallsville (his hometown), He is a hero in these parts of the piney woods.
 

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..echoing the other posters about your observations.

Good stuff.

I appreciate someone who has some thinking of an out-of the box topic and can back it up with some good observation/stats.

Also appreciate the whole thought process of laying out how you feel..I'd rather read a well written post than scan through 15 that are one-line replies.

Keep it up.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS:starspin
 

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shaketiller;2001123 said:
Hey, there is no reason not to try to be the best you can be! And it's an accomplishment to play at all at a higher level than high school. Not many make it.

In your mind's eye, do you see that comparison with Barber? Or is my memory playing tricks?
I do see a similarity and have remarked about it to my Mom. The main difference to me is how Barber uses stiff arms and Newhouse would just keep those piston legs pumping and pushing. That's why I call him "Surge" because he always seemed to be surging forward. Both love to lower their shoulders and explode into would be tacklers.
 

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Yes... legitimate points from both of you on those differences. The toughness and marginal speed maybe are the biggest similarities, along with the bottom line results. And anyone who is a hero in the Piney Woods is a worthwhile hero!

Redball, thanx for your kind words. It's good to "think aloud" on a message board without being attacked from every side!
 
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