Parcells and upgrading talent...you be the judge

[Zaxor]

here is a partial FA list of what we brought in. I think I may, in fact I know I have, left some people off but it may have been because they just weren't around long enough or I could not find them on a roster anywhere.

You will notice names like Zuriel Smith who we drafted but signed again as a FA so he went on the FA list

Adrian Murrell
Richie Anderson
Randall Williams
Gerrald Di Napoli
Jeff Robinson
Vinny Testerverdi
Wiley, Marcellus
Dixon, Tony
Barrow, Michael
Scott, Lynn
Ogbogu, Eric
Coleman, Kenyon
Cooper, Chris
Barnes, Darian
George, Eddie
Noll, Ben
O'Neil, Keith
Ward, Dedric
Williams, Tyrone
Bickerstaff, Erik
Claybrooks, DeVone
Michael Bates
Aveion Cason
Toby Gowin
Andrew Davison
Jemeel Powell
Shaun Smith
Willie Blade
Leonardo Carson
Colombo, Marc
Ferguson, Jason
Fowler, Ryan
Zuriel Smith
Glenn, Aaron
Glenn, Terry
Henry, Anthony
Rivera, Marco
Romo, Tony
Shanle, Scott
Suisham, Shaun
Thompson, Tyson
Tucker, Torrin
Visintainer, Brett
Pagel, Derek
Bledsoe, Drew
Campbell, Dan
Anthony Thomas

2003 Draft
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1 Terence Newman CB Kansas State 2 Al Johnson C Wisconsin 3 Jason Witten TE Tennessee 4 Bradie James LB LSU 6 B.J. Tucker CB Wisconsin 6 Zuriel Smith WR Hampton 7 Justin Bates G Colorado

2004 Draft
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2 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame 2 Jacob Rogers OT USC 3 Stephen Peterman OG LSU 4 Bruce Thornton CB Georgia 5 Sean Ryan TE Boston Col. 7 Nathan Jones CB Rutgers 7 Patrick Crayton WR NW Ok. St. 7 Jacques Reeves CB Purdue

2005 Draft​

1 11(11) Demarcus Ware OLB Troy 1 20(20) Marcus Spears DE LSU 2 10(42) Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee 4 8(109) Marion Barber HB Minnesota 4 31(132) Chris Canty DE Virginia 6 34(208) Justin Berlault S Ball St. 6 35(209) Rob Petitti OT Pittsburgh 7 10(224) Jay Ratliff DE Auburn

trades

Galloway for Keyshawn
Bryant for Morgan
Henson for a 3rd
Fujita for a ?
Pile for a ?

 

[StanleySpadowski]

That really makes you rethink Parcells' status as this svengali talent evaluator.

If you really want to cringe, look at some of the talent that's left the Cowboys over that same period of time.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I like the drafts.....not crazy about the rest...

 

[iceberg]

here is a partial FA list of what we brought in. I think I may, in fact I know I have, left some people off but it may have been because they just weren't around long enough or I could not find them on a roster anywhere.

You will notice names like Zuriel Smith who we drafted but signed again as a FA so he went on the FA list

Adrian Murrell
Richie Anderson
Randall Williams
Gerrald Di Napoli
Jeff Robinson
Vinny Testerverdi
Wiley, Marcellus
Dixon, Tony
Barrow, Michael
Scott, Lynn
Ogbogu, Eric
Coleman, Kenyon
Cooper, Chris
Barnes, Darian
George, Eddie
Noll, Ben
O'Neil, Keith
Ward, Dedric
Williams, Tyrone
Bickerstaff, Erik
Claybrooks, DeVone
Michael Bates
Aveion Cason
Toby Gowin
Andrew Davison
Jemeel Powell
Shaun Smith
Willie Blade
Leonardo Carson
Colombo, Marc
Ferguson, Jason
Fowler, Ryan
Zuriel Smith
Glenn, Aaron
Glenn, Terry
Henry, Anthony
Rivera, Marco
Romo, Tony
Shanle, Scott
Suisham, Shaun
Thompson, Tyson
Tucker, Torrin
Visintainer, Brett
Pagel, Derek
Bledsoe, Drew
Campbell, Dan
Anthony Thomas

2003 Draft


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1 Terence Newman CB Kansas State 2 Al Johnson C Wisconsin 3 Jason Witten TE Tennessee 4 Bradie James LB LSU 6 B.J. Tucker CB Wisconsin 6 Zuriel Smith WR Hampton 7 Justin Bates G Colorado

2004 Draft


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2 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame 2 Jacob Rogers OT USC 3 Stephen Peterman OG LSU 4 Bruce Thornton CB Georgia 5 Sean Ryan TE Boston Col. 7 Nathan Jones CB Rutgers 7 Patrick Crayton WR NW Ok. St. 7 Jacques Reeves CB Purdue

2005 Draft​

1 11(11) Demarcus Ware OLB Troy 1 20(20) Marcus Spears DE LSU 2 10(42) Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee 4 8(109) Marion Barber HB Minnesota 4 31(132) Chris Canty DE Virginia 6 34(208) Justin Berlault S Ball St. 6 35(209) Rob Petitti OT Pittsburgh 7 10(224) Jay Ratliff DE Auburn

trades

Galloway for Keyshawn
Bryant for Morgan
Henson for a 3rd
Fujita for a ?
Pile for a ?

so, knowing drew needs a very solid line, we draft petitti and get rivera. that's it?

 

[burmafrd]

He keeps trying people untill he gets one that contributes. works for me.

 

[iceberg]

He keeps trying people untill he gets one that contributes. works for me.

you got a qb who MUST have PERFECT protection with a 2 year shelf life.

you don't have the pick and choose till it works under this model.

 

[Zaxor]

so, knowing drew needs a very solid line, we draft petitti and get rivera. that's it?

Drew needs better than a solid line

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Hes built the defense, Ill wait till this off season before I bash him for not building the O. You guys want the complete team to quick. This stuff takes time. We are in great cap shape.

 

[Skip]

That really makes you rethink Parcells' status as this svengali talent evaluator.

If you really want to cringe, look at some of the talent that's left the Cowboys over that same period of time.

You ask where's the beef? It is in the draft and they were good ones getting better and better each year.

Every team has good players get away from them, but I hope he stays and gives us another good draft pretty much finishing the talent overhaul.

We all should see the difference in talent from before Bill and after. I know we need to tend to the offense now, but you cant' do it all at one time. The defense is just about finished, just a couple more spots like FS and it's done. Actually we don't need a complete overhaul now with the offense, just a few positions and we will see a much improved offense.

I hope he stays because we are much closer to the finished product we all would like to see.

 

[iceberg]

Hes built the defense, Ill wait till this off season before I bash him for not building the O. You guys want the complete team to quick. This stuff takes time. We are in great cap shape.

zax - i said "very" solid. : )

dave - the same D he built he tore down that was #1 now 3 years ago. bp gets a lot of credit for fixing what wasn't broke "first", yet not a whole lot of critisizm for brining in a qb who he knows the weaknesses for and he doesn't fully address them. that's just setting up for failure.

 

[DLCassidy]

I'll bet you could do a similar exercise with just about every team in the league. First of all there's about a 25% turnover on rosters every year and 2nd it's a game filled with injuries so you're constantly bringing bums in to try to fill slots or just taking a chance that someone develops.

I'm more interested in the job BP did last year which IMO was excellent both draft wise and FA wise. But if you're looking for anything close to 100% it's the wrong business. Another year like last year and we'll be pretty good.

 

[iceberg]

I'll bet you could do a similar exercise with just about every team in the league. First of all there's about a 25% turnover on rosters every year and 2nd it's a game filled with injuries so you're constantly bringing bums in to try to fill slots or just taking a chance that someone develops.

I'm more interested in the job BP did last year which IMO was excellent both draft wise and FA wise. But if you're looking for anything close to 100% it's the wrong business. Another year like last year and we'll be pretty good.

it's not so much the execution needs to be 100%, but the plan needs to be w/safeguards.

we have "no" safeguard at qb despite some options going through. if you laugh at how some options turned out realize there are some out there laughing at how bledsoe turned out and they've already been through all these silly arguments.

this "plan" isn't as overall "secure" as a long term approach where all positions are subject to the same set of rules for competition and then you build the best you can out of the team you have.

parcells is forcing drew (much like some fans) and it's not working. excuse it away but in the end, "you are what your record says you are" - we're 9-7 and laid down hard for the last game.

 

[DLCassidy]

zax - i said "very" solid. : )

dave - the same D he built he tore down that was #1 now 3 years ago. bp gets a lot of credit for fixing what wasn't broke "first", yet not a whole lot of critisizm for brining in a qb who he knows the weaknesses for and he doesn't fully address them. that's just setting up for failure.

There's not a lot of teams that can lose their starting LT and not see a major drop off in performance of the QB and the offense. In our case we got caught bad there because it affected the way we could help on the other side where we were starting a rookie. We also lost Rogers who was in our plan and was the likely starter at RT. Was the depth weaker than some teams? Yes. But you're talking about a team that had a lot of issues with starters on D that had to be 1st priorities when your D gave up 400 points in the prior year.

So I'll grant you the lack of depth at OT. But the OL was doing ok even with a struggling rookie at RT when FA was healthy, wasn't it? The QB was doing ok wasn't he? Solid OT's are a difficult commodity to find and if you lose 2 in one year most teams are going to have problems. I bet we will address that issue hard this offseason now that the D has been largely shored up.

 

[iceberg]

There's not a lot of teams that can lose their starting LT and not see a major drop off in performance of the QB and the offense..

how many times has drew dropped off in the 2nd 1/2 of the year? i don't know exact numbers but it is his "rep". you don't earn those coming into dallas and then when you live up to it excuse it away with 1 years of "someone elses fault".

drew is a tease. i understand why some have a facination for him as he is a better than average qb. but i tire of the people saying that because our OL fell apart drew did what he normally does.

makes no sense to me.

 

[CooterBrown]

Most of the 2002 Cowboys are not even in the league anymore. Parcells brought in some bum free agents, but he also got rid of a lot of bums that were starters before he got here.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Wow, this board has really went off the deep end into the wingnut and kook level. It makes the ESPN boards look like a safehaven for rational discourse. Its a shame. It used to be such a good board.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

2003 Draft
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1 Terence Newman CB Kansas State 2 Al Johnson C Wisconsin 3 Jason Witten TE Tennessee 4 Bradie James LB LSU 6 B.J. Tucker CB Wisconsin 6 Zuriel Smith WR Hampton 7 Justin Bates G Colorado

2004 Draft
​

2 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame 2 Jacob Rogers OT USC 3 Stephen Peterman OG LSU 4 Bruce Thornton CB Georgia 5 Sean Ryan TE Boston Col. 7 Nathan Jones CB Rutgers 7 Patrick Crayton WR NW Ok. St. 7 Jacques Reeves CB Purdue

2005 Draft​

1 11(11) Demarcus Ware OLB Troy 1 20(20) Marcus Spears DE LSU 2 10(42) Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee 4 8(109) Marion Barber HB Minnesota 4 31(132) Chris Canty DE Virginia 6 34(208) Justin Berlault S Ball St. 6 35(209) Rob Petitti OT Pittsburgh 7 10(224) Jay Ratliff DE Auburn

That ain't nuthin. You wanna see some bad drafts? I'll show ya some bad drafts. All longtime solid starters bolded. All 6 of them..... Over almost 10 years.

2002 1 1 8 8 Roy Williams DB Oklahoma
2 2 5 37 Andre Gurode G Colorado
3 2 31 63 Antonio Bryant WR Pittsburgh
4 3 10 75 Derek Ross DB Ohio State
5 4 31 129 Jamar Martin RB Ohio State
6 5 33 168 Ralph Hunter DB Virginia Union
7 6 7 179 Tyson Walter T Ohio State
8 6 36 208 Deveren Johnson WR Sacred Heart
9 6 39 211 Bob Slowikowski TE Virginia Tech
2001 1 2 22 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 2 25 56 Tony Dixon DB Alabama
3 3 31 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 4 27 122 Markus Steele LB USC
5 5 6 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 6 8 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 7 7 207 Colston Weatherington DE Central Missouri State
8 7 40 240 John Nix DT Southern Mississippi
9 7 42 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State
2000 1 2 18 49 Dwayne Goodrich DB Tennessee
2 4 15 109 Kareem Larrimore DB West Texas A&M
3 5 15 144 Michael Wiley RB Ohio State
4 6 14 180 Mario Edwards DB Florida State
5 7 13 219 Orantes Grant LB Georgia
1999 1 1 20 20 Ebenezer Ekuban DE North Carolina
2 2 24 55 Solomon Page T West Virginia
3 3 24 85 Dat Nguyen LB Texas A&M
4 4 23 118 Wane McGarity WR Texas
5 4 37 132 Hundens Zellner DE Fort Valley State
6 6 24 193 MarTay Jenkins WR Nebraska-Omaha
7 7 23 229 Mike Lucky TE Arizona
8 7 37 243 Kelvin Garmon G Baylor
1998 1 1 8 8 Greg Ellis DE North Carolina
2 2 8 38 Flozell Adams T Michigan State
3 4 8 100 Michael Myers DT Alabama
4 5 7 130 Darren Hambrick LB South Carolina
5 5 15 138 Oliver Ross T Iowa State
6 6 35 188 Izell Reese DB Alabama-Birmingham
7 7 34 223 Tarik Smith RB California
8 7 38 227 Antonio Fleming G Georgia
9 7 48 237 Rodrick Monroe TE Cincinnati
1997 1 1 22 22 David LaFleur TE Louisiana State
2 3 5 65 Dexter Coakley DB Appalachian State
3 3 23 83 Steve Scifres G Wyoming
4 3 34 94 Kenny Wheaton DB Oregon
5 4 5 101 Antonio Anderson DT Syracuse
6 4 31 127 Macey Brooks WR James Madison
7 4 33 129 Nicky Sualua RB Ohio State
8 6 24 187 Lee Vaughn DB Wyoming
9 7 23 224 Omar Stoutmire DB Fresno State
1996 1 2 7 37 Kavika Pittman DE McNeese State
2 2 19 49 Randall Godfrey LB Georgia
3 3 6 67 Clay Shiver C Florida State
4 3 33 94 Stepfret Williams WR N.E. Louisiana
5 3 34 95 Mike Ulufale DT Brigham Young
6 5 25 157 Kenneth McDaniel G Norfolk State
7 5 35 167 Alan Campos LB Louisville
8 6 40 207 Wendell Davis DB Oklahoma
9 7 34 243 Ryan Wood RB Arizona State
1995 1 2 14 46 Sherman Williams RB Alabama
2 2 27 59 Kendell Watkins TE Mississippi State
3 2 31 63 Shane Hannah G Michigan State
4 3 28 92 Charlie Williams DB Bowling Green
5 4 12 110 Eric Bjornson WR Washington
6 4 31 129 Alundis Brice DB Mississippi
7 4 32 130 Linc Harden LB Oklahoma State
8 5 32 166 Edward Hervey WR USC
9 5 34 168 Dana Howard LB Illinois
10 7 28 236 Oscar Sturgis DE North Carolina
1994 1 1 23 23 Shante Carver DE Arizona State
2 2 17 46 Larry Allen G Sonoma State
3 3 37 102 George Hegamin T North Carolina State
4 4 6 109 Willie Jackson WR Florida
5 4 28 131 DeWayne Dotson LB Mississippi
6 6 30 191 Darren Studstill DB West Virginia
7 7 22 216 Toddrick McIntosh DT Florida State

 

[Zaxor]

you know Trublue...I hate to admit it but I see a few names on that list that I really thought where gonna be players for us....but yeah it is not much of an honor roll is it

 

[DLCassidy]

how many times has drew dropped off in the 2nd 1/2 of the year? i don't know exact numbers but it is his "rep". you don't earn those coming into dallas and then when you live up to it excuse it away with 1 years of "someone elses fault".

drew is a tease. i understand why some have a facination for him as he is a better than average qb. but i tire of the people saying that because our OL fell apart drew did what he normally does.

makes no sense to me.

So if Adams had stayed healthy Drew would have "done what he normally does"?

 

[iceberg]

So if Adams had stayed healthy Drew would have "done what he normally does"?

dunno. i'm not gonna play the "if this ONE FREAKING EVEN HAPPENS" it changes the entire course of history game w/you. i don't like the "IF" game cause the "If this happens we get good stuff!" never works when you "if" it the other way.

we lost 1 OL and drew suddenly sucks? pretty, uh...glaring of an issue to me. yes it speaks volumes of our OL but it also speaks volumes of drew if losing 1 person on a crappy line makes him tank out again.

people/coaches have played mix/match with drew for 13 years and for whatever reason this "rep" follows him that people want to excuse away year after year. sorry but after 13 years the rep is earned.