Parcells Bashers

[Billy Bullocks]

Hahaha, I just remembered how many people were bashing Parcells around January. I know the team really hasn't done anything yet, and that we are merely offseason champions or wahtever u wanna call it..But that smack talk about our boy BP has definately quieted down alot. I remember people saying he'd lost it because of the Bryant trade, and Vinny T. at QB. Never thinking of how long it usually takes BP to build up his roster the way he wants it.

Any of the haters have anything to add at this point.

PS, I really hope to make this thread again some time in February.

 

[Roughneck]

For as disgusted as we all were with the 2004 Season and the wretched fruit it bore, Parcells felt disgust 1000 times greater than any of us were experiencing. Last year was unacceptable for the old Coach. It's as simple as that. All the work and pain-staking hours that he put in this offseason are proof of that. He's revamped, his team is replenished, and he's ready to make a serious run at Title #3.

 

[Eskimo]

I was very displeased with the team BP assembled last year and very disappointed with some of his personnel decisions. I think he had a very bad year.

I think he has done a much better job this year assessing the players on the team and patching the gaping holes that he ignored last year. Overall, I think the FO has had a very good offseason.

Now it is up to the coaching staff to forge the new talent into a cohesive team. I do think regardless of the record this year, BP has set the wheels in motion for this team to be contenders in the near future. We just need one more good offseason to wipe out the talent deficit from Jerry's drafts 1994-2002.

 

[BadKarma]

I'll admit that I was one of the people here who was on the Parcells' bashing bandwagon. I, along with a lot of folks here felt going into the season we didn't properly address some shortfalls in talent.

He made some questionable calls last year both in personnel and playcalling that made a lof of us here doubt him. Even with the surprise 2004 outcome, it was obvious this team had some glaring holes in both the offense and defense.

 

[Sarge]

Parcells did a very good job his first year and a very poor job the next offseason and year 2.

He's had, presumably, a good offseason this year and we'll just have to wait and see how this all pans out.

I seem to remember some excitement at bringing Wiley in last year.

Ya never know. The game is played on the field.

 

[Established1971]

Hahaha, I just remembered how many people were bashing Parcells around January. I know the team really hasn't done anything yet, and that we are merely offseason champions or wahtever u wanna call it..But that smack talk about our boy BP has definately quieted down alot. I remember people saying he'd lost it because of the Bryant trade, and Vinny T. at QB. Never thinking of how long it usually takes BP to build up his roster the way he wants it.

Any of the haters have anything to add at this point.

PS, I really hope to make this thread again some time in February.

Ok Ill bite since you seem eager for a debate. First of all not everyone who criticizes also hates. I know "hater" is just some new expression but it's a pretty silly expression. I got down on Bill for his game management last year and it is yet to be seen if that has improved. Alot of people were down on him for the whole thing about being mathmatically in it so go with your best qb thing. We were out of it with a few games left and yet we let a 40 year old play while our supposed qb of the future got no snaps. It is yet to be seen whether or not that was a good move. So relax on beating your chest, the jury is still out. And I hope like heck that both of those things and any other criticism his "haters" have turns out to be nothing and we go 19-0.
Meanwhile a little questioning is healthy.

 

[noshame]

PS, I really hope to make this thread again some time in February


I you're going to talk some stuff....you may not want to use the word "hope" in your summation

 

[austintodallas]

Alot of people were down on him for the whole thing about being mathmatically in it so go with your best qb thing. We were out of it with a few games left and yet we let a 40 year old play while our supposed qb of the future got no snaps. It is yet to be seen whether or not that was a good move.

Whether you wanted to see Henson in there or not, the fact of the matter is that we were still mathematically in it with a few games to go. Parcells felt Vinny gave us the best chance to win those games and reach the playoffs so that's who he played. I cannot fault him for that.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Hahaha, I just remembered how many people were bashing Parcells around January. I know the team really hasn't done anything yet, and that we are merely offseason champions or wahtever u wanna call it..But that smack talk about our boy BP has definately quieted down alot. I remember people saying he'd lost it because of the Bryant trade, and Vinny T. at QB. Never thinking of how long it usually takes BP to build up his roster the way he wants it.

Any of the haters have anything to add at this point.

PS, I really hope to make this thread again some time in February.

 

[Kilyin]

Bill's breasts were holding him back. With his newfound talent and C-cups, I expect great things from the Tuna.

 

[CarlAllDay]

c'mon wit that sorry excuse that we were still mathematically in the hunt. b/c the fact was that parcells couldn't stand seeing his boy vinny on the bench. drew gave us just as good chance of losing that vinny did. vinny had more multiple interception games than QC. (HA HA MAYBE NOT) AND ALSO YOU HAVE SOMEONE ELSE IN R.LEE AVERAGING TWICE THE AMOUNT OF YARDS THAT EDDIE GEORGE WAS AVERAGING PER CARRY AND EDDIE STARTED UNTIL JULIUS BROKE OUT. HONESTLY GUYS THINK ABOUT IT WE WOULD STILL HAVE VINNY IF BILL'S OTHER SON WOULDN'T HAVE BECAME AVAILABLE. AND IF RICHIE ANDERSON WAS STILL HEALTHY WE WOULD STILL BE HAVING A SLOW RUNNING BACK PLAYING FULLBACK WHO LOST US TWO GAMES THE PATRIOTS GAME WHEN WE WERE IN SCORING POSITION HE FUMBLED(WELL AND WITTEN GAVE TY LAW THAT INT) AND HE RAN INTO VINNY AND MADE VINNY FUMBLE AGAINST THE STEELERS WHICH I THINK TURNED BOTH OF OUR SEASON AROUND B/C STEELERS WENT ON THEIR RUN AND WE JUST KEPT LOSING. I STILL SAY THAT BILL WAS BEING STUBBORN AND COULD HAVE MADE THOSE CHANGES LAST SEASON. DREW HENSON COULD HAVE BEEN FURTHER ALONG INCASE IF HE HAD TO COME INTO A GAME FOR BLEDSOE NOW ITS JUST SINK OR SWIM WITH BLEDSOE AND HE WONT EVEN TURN TO HENSON IF BLEDSOE JUT DOWN RIGHT SUCK IN A GAME. BUT I THINK WITH FAR BETTER TALENT THIS YEAR I DONT THINK BILL WILL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS.
BUT FOR THE RECORD WE WEREN'T HATING ON BILL NOR DO WE HATE BILL BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH BILL COULD HAVE BENCHED A FEW PEOPLE THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO BENCH.

 

[kartr]

When he does good he gets compliments, when he does bad he gets criticized. That's the way it's supposed to work. He made some good decisions in 2003, but many more bad decisions in 2004. If he gets criticized, it's his fault cause he made the bad decisions. What do you want us to do? Act like ten year olds and go along with everything he does, right or wrong. We're all adults here and watched football some. We're not all clueless kids who look up to daddy,except maybe the Henson lovers.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Parcells did a very good job his first year and a very poor job the next offseason and year 2.

He didn't do a poor job last year. He was patient and made a trade that benefits the team in the long run. Of course, it wasn't a short-term "fix", but the Buffalo trade could end up being our Hershel Walker trade ...

He was planning for the future of this team last year. I never once questioned him.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Ok Ill bite since you seem eager for a debate. First of all not everyone who criticizes also hates. I know "hater" is just some new expression but it's a pretty silly expression. I got down on Bill for his game management last year and it is yet to be seen if that has improved. Alot of people were down on him for the whole thing about being mathmatically in it so go with your best qb thing. We were out of it with a few games left and yet we let a 40 year old play while our supposed qb of the future got no snaps. It is yet to be seen whether or not that was a good move. So relax on beating your chest, the jury is still out. And I hope like heck that both of those things and any other criticism his "haters" have turns out to be nothing and we go 19-0.
Meanwhile a little questioning is healthy.

I all agree with you that alot of people got down on the situation, inclduing myself. But if you look back on it all, Parcells did play it right. Besides Springs, none of the CB's signed last year were any good, and Springs was overpayed. So right there, he decided to stand pat, and didnt do anything. It cost us last year, but the reports are saying, and Parcells too, that Henry can really play.

QB, well tahts a whole other story, QC was supposed to start, not Vinny, remember, and unless you are accusing BP of some conspiracy, I don't think that the cutting of Carter had anything to do with Parcells wanting Vinny to start, but Carters unreliability. Besides, it was going to happen anyway(getting rid of Carter at some point).

I think alot of people were down on Parcells because of this great success he had the 1st year with the team, myself included. However, once the reality of last year set in, we really werent a good team yet. Not the year before, and not last year. We got pretty lucky at 10-6, and if we hadnt had things go our way against the Giants on Monday Night early in the season, we probably would never have made the playoffs. So I can see where resentment towards Bill came from, but anyone who looked at our team without rose colored lenses immedeately saw that we really were pretty mediocre the last 2 years. Now I can say, on paper, Parcells has built a good looking roster.

Just look back at our situation in our 10-6 season:
-Hambrick at RB...he couldnt crack 1000 yards
-Carter at QB...I'm not sure he ever was the answer(I gavehim a shot too)
-Good Defense...except we lacked playmakers, and got no pressure on the QB, once we got to the playoffs, people saw that.

We were never that good to begin with, so to completely bash Parcells was just not right on some peoples part. I'm all with you on feeling like not enough was done last year in the offseason to address pressing needs, however, I'm quite sure taht everyone who has one ioda of football knowledge, when looking at our roster, realized that it wasn't a quick fix. 10-6 was a tease. But I also think it was very nessecary, it helped everyone buy into BP's concepts, and it got alot of fan interest buzzing. I, for one, would watch all the Cowboys games before, but when you go 5-11 3 straigt years, you're not nearly as stoked to watch as when you are headed to the playoffs or coming off a playoff season.

This season, Parcells will put most of the doubts that he has lost it to rest. I don't care what the Mediots think, who they predict makes the playoffs, Parcells is too good a coach, and we have too much talent(alot of it may be unproven) for him not to get at least 9-10 wins out of this team.

 

[kartr]

I all agree with you that alot of people got down on the situation, inclduing myself. But if you look back on it all, Parcells did play it right. Besides Springs, none of the CB's signed last year were any good, and Springs was overpayed. So right there, he decided to stand pat, and didnt do anything. It cost us last year, but the reports are saying, and Parcells too, that Henry can really play.

QB, well tahts a whole other story, QC was supposed to start, not Vinny, remember, and unless you are accusing BP of some conspiracy, I don't think that the cutting of Carter had anything to do with Parcells wanting Vinny to start, but Carters unreliability. Besides, it was going to happen anyway(getting rid of Carter at some point).

I think alot of people were down on Parcells because of this great success he had the 1st year with the team, myself included. However, once the reality of last year set in, we really werent a good team yet. Not the year before, and not last year. We got pretty lucky at 10-6, and if we hadnt had things go our way against the Giants on Monday Night early in the season, we probably would never have made the playoffs. So I can see where resentment towards Bill came from, but anyone who looked at our team without rose colored lenses immedeately saw that we really were pretty mediocre the last 2 years. Now I can say, on paper, Parcells has built a good looking roster.

Just look back at our situation in our 10-6 season:
-Hambrick at RB...he couldnt crack 1000 yards
-Carter at QB...I'm not sure he ever was the answer(I gavehim a shot too)
-Good Defense...except we lacked playmakers, and got no pressure on the QB, once we got to the playoffs, people saw that.

We were never that good to begin with, so to completely bash Parcells was just not right on some peoples part. I'm all with you on feeling like not enough was done last year in the offseason to address pressing needs, however, I'm quite sure taht everyone who has one ioda of football knowledge, when looking at our roster, realized that it wasn't a quick fix. 10-6 was a tease. But I also think it was very nessecary, it helped everyone buy into BP's concepts, and it got alot of fan interest buzzing. I, for one, would watch all the Cowboys games before, but when you go 5-11 3 straigt years, you're not nearly as stoked to watch as when you are headed to the playoffs or coming off a playoff season.

This season, Parcells will put most of the doubts that he has lost it to rest. I don't care what the Mediots think, who they predict makes the playoffs, Parcells is too good a coach, and we have too much talent(alot of it may be unproven) for him not to get at least 9-10 wins out of this team.

We were good enough to beat the bad teams in '03, something we struggled with last year. Remember the Giants swept us with Warner/Manning and we swept the Giants, the year before. Remember the Eagles swept us last year, while we split with them the year before( we beat them 21-20 in a close game, while losing to them 12-7 in a close game last year). We beat the Lions 38-7 in '03, but beat them only 31-21 last year. We beat the Panthers in a close game in '03 24-20 and they went to the superbowl. What do you mean we weren't that good anyway. 10-6 is better than 6-10. Remember, Parcells said himself, 'you are what your record says you are'. And Qc threw all the passes in '03 in which we won ten games. If he couldn't handled his assignments they would have put 8 in the box and dared Hambrick to run, in which case we wouldn't have won 10 games with defense and run game only.
So QC was the answer in 2003 and wouldn't have made any more dumb decisions or bad throws than Vinny did last year, so obviously not having him did play a huge part in our decline. He didn't need to be Peyton Manning, he only needed to be a good game manager and that was what he was in '03. We couldn't have won 10 games otherwise, look at AJ Feeley, his backs were just as good as Hambrick and their defense was still good.So QC was definitely a difference maker.

 

[joseephuss]

I all agree with you that alot of people got down on the situation, inclduing myself. But if you look back on it all, Parcells did play it right. Besides Springs, none of the CB's signed last year were any good, and Springs was overpayed. So right there, he decided to stand pat, and didnt do anything. It cost us last year, but the reports are saying, and Parcells too, that Henry can really play.

QB, well tahts a whole other story, QC was supposed to start, not Vinny, remember, and unless you are accusing BP of some conspiracy, I don't think that the cutting of Carter had anything to do with Parcells wanting Vinny to start, but Carters unreliability. Besides, it was going to happen anyway(getting rid of Carter at some point).

I think alot of people were down on Parcells because of this great success he had the 1st year with the team, myself included. However, once the reality of last year set in, we really werent a good team yet. Not the year before, and not last year. We got pretty lucky at 10-6, and if we hadnt had things go our way against the Giants on Monday Night early in the season, we probably would never have made the playoffs. So I can see where resentment towards Bill came from, but anyone who looked at our team without rose colored lenses immedeately saw that we really were pretty mediocre the last 2 years. Now I can say, on paper, Parcells has built a good looking roster.

Just look back at our situation in our 10-6 season:
-Hambrick at RB...he couldnt crack 1000 yards
-Carter at QB...I'm not sure he ever was the answer(I gavehim a shot too)
-Good Defense...except we lacked playmakers, and got no pressure on the QB, once we got to the playoffs, people saw that.

We were never that good to begin with, so to completely bash Parcells was just not right on some peoples part. I'm all with you on feeling like not enough was done last year in the offseason to address pressing needs, however, I'm quite sure taht everyone who has one ioda of football knowledge, when looking at our roster, realized that it wasn't a quick fix. 10-6 was a tease. But I also think it was very nessecary, it helped everyone buy into BP's concepts, and it got alot of fan interest buzzing. I, for one, would watch all the Cowboys games before, but when you go 5-11 3 straigt years, you're not nearly as stoked to watch as when you are headed to the playoffs or coming off a playoff season.

This season, Parcells will put most of the doubts that he has lost it to rest. I don't care what the Mediots think, who they predict makes the playoffs, Parcells is too good a coach, and we have too much talent(alot of it may be unproven) for him not to get at least 9-10 wins out of this team.

I never buy that we weren't that good to begin with. There were some good pieces on that 2003 team and some bad ones. They got rid of some bad pieces and unfortunatley replaced them with worse pieces(Wiley for Ekuban and whomever for Mario Edwards). There were also injuries to starters(Woody, Campbell and then Terry Glenn) and young guys that may have been able to contribute. Bryant was counted on to step up his game and he imploded. That hurt.

Parcells and Jerry perhaps could have done more that off season. There actually was a chance(however slim) to sign Jevon Kearse or Bertand Berry. Either could have helpd the defense. Antoine Winfield was an available corner back who is pretty good.

I also think the Bill Parcells put too much faith in Vinny. Maybe Vinny wasn't supposed to be the starter(altough Bill said he would come in and compete to be the starter), but I just never thought he would be a good back up if there was an injury to Carter. Essentially, he was the back up forced into season long starting duty and he failed as well as several other pieces.

The 2004 squad was not the same squad as 2003. Look at the rosters from top to bottom and you will see some big differences that really matter. I look at what is in training camp in 2005 and I see lots of improvements or at least potential for improvement. I can be critical of Bill and Jerry for last season, but I can also praise them for the moves they have made so far. It looks like some good steps have been made for both immediate and future success.

The only thing that is the biggest question mark is QB. While I like Bledsoe better than Vinny, he just does not seem like the future hope at the position. That isn't necessarily Bills fault, but I hope his plans with Henson work out or Dallas will be in the market for a QB. The cap looks to be in good shape to go out and find one.