Parcells couldn't figure this out?

[theogt]

Flozell Adams - 1998
Andre Gurode - 2002
Julius Jones - 2004

I doubt he plays more than those three guys still on the team. I expect he'll play about as much as Burnett.

I didn't say more than every player. He'll probably have more snaps in his first 4 years than Gurode did over that same time.

His # of snaps is also probably pretty close to Julius' numbers.

My point stands -- he's going to be contributing just about as much if not more than most of our 2nd round picks in the last 10 years.

 

[junk]

I didn't say more than every player. He'll probably have more snaps in his first 4 years than Gurode did over that same time.

That isn't really what you said.

Perhaps more than just about any 2nd round pick we've had in the past 10 years. I wouldn't worry about that pick.

I noticed you attempted to throw Gurode's first four years in there so you could include the one year he wasn't a starter. An offensive lineman starting 14-16 games per year is going to get more snaps than a second TE who is involved in 2 TE sets and some snaps as a H-back. He's out in three wide sets, four wide sets, single TE/FB sets. Adds up over the course of a year.

My point stands -- he's going to be contributing just about as much if not more than most of our 2nd round picks in the last 10 years.

Your original point about snaps was that you thought he'd have "more than just about any 2nd round pick we've had in the past 10 years."

Not true. Good or bad (and that is a valid argument), there are plenty of second round picks in the last 10 years who had a large number of snaps that would probably exceed Fasano's.

I didn't even get into guys like Quincy Carter and Solomon Page who were full season starters and played every snap.

I guess if you wanted to qualify it with something about "over 'x' number of years" or something, your statement might hold water. It really doesn't right now.

 

[smarta5150]

Parcells did the right thing in the playoff game. Romo was all over the place in the game and the best thing to do was to run the ball. If anyone takes the blame for not attacking the pass D it is Romo...he was too keyed up and was a mistake waiting to happen.

Romo was 17/29 for 189 and a TD.

I hardly call that "all over" the place.

I understand JJ ran well, actually 22 for 112 but no one can deny how beat up Seattle's secondary was.

They had to bring in Pete Hunter... wasn't he doing tax returns or something throughout the entire season?

 

[Rack]

If that was the case, I'll still blame Parcells.

In this case for not upgrading the safety position when he had plenty of opportunities.

By the way Rack, congrats on the resto project, the car looks great.

Yep, we inexplicably ignored it for literally years. We knew Woody was finished in 2004 and we never tried to improve the position.

And BTW, agree on the car. I can't imagine a more fitting license plate, either.

The car in my sig isn't mine. I wish though. I'll take a pic of my car later today to show you how it looks now.

:bang2:

 

[smarta5150]

The car in my sig isn't mine. I wish though. I'll take a pic of my car later today to show you how it looks now.

:bang2:

lol I knew people were gonna think that was your car

 

[theogt]

That isn't really what you said.


I noticed you attempted to throw Gurode's first four years in there so you could include the one year he wasn't a starter. An offensive lineman starting 14-16 games per year is going to get more snaps than a second TE who is involved in 2 TE sets and some snaps as a H-back. He's out in three wide sets, four wide sets, single TE/FB sets. Adds up over the course of a year.




Your original point about snaps was that you thought he'd have "more than just about any 2nd round pick we've had in the past 10 years."

Not true. Good or bad (and that is a valid argument), there are plenty of second round picks in the last 10 years who had a large number of snaps that would probably exceed Fasano's.

I didn't even get into guys like Quincy Carter and Solomon Page who were full season starters and played every snap.

I guess if you wanted to qualify it with something about "over 'x' number of years" or something, your statement might hold water. It really doesn't right now.

Kevin Burnett, Jacob Rogers, Al Johnson, Tony Dixon, Gurode (to an extent), Solomon Page...

Those are the guys I'm referring to. Fasano is getting as much or more playing time as those guys.

I'm not sure why you tried to get "literal" on me, but even if you look at the literal words I used, my point stands.

 

[carphalen5150]

Romo was 17/29 for 189 and a TD.

I hardly call that "all over" the place.

I understand JJ ran well, actually 22 for 112 but no one can deny how beat up Seattle's secondary was.

They had to bring in Pete Hunter... wasn't he doing tax returns or something throughout the entire season?

If you Tivo'd the game take a look. WRs saved him a few times and his misses were horrid. He was rattled throughout...to be expected for a first time starter in the playoffs.

The team was in position to win with the game plan we had, so I do not see why Parcells takes in on the chin for the loss.

 

[Stash]

The car in my sig isn't mine. I wish though. I'll take a pic of my car later today to show you how it looks now.

:bang2:

Whoops!

Sorry.

And given your 'cheery disposition', I figured that had to be your license plate......

 

[junk]

Kevin Burnett, Jacob Rogers, Al Johnson, Tony Dixon, Gurode (to an extent), Solomon Page...

Those are the guys I'm referring to. Fasano is getting as much or more playing time as those guys.

I'm not sure why you tried to get "literal" on me, but even if you look at the literal words I used, my point stands.

I tried to get "literal" because what you said wasn't a very accurate statement (and to a lesser extent because it amuses me).

1997 - No second round pick.
1998 - Flozell Adams - Started 130 games in the NFL.
1999 - Solomon Page - Started 5 games as rookie. Starter for the 2000 and 2001 seasons. Started 15 games in 2002. Left as a FA in 2003.
2000 - Dwayne Goodrich - Bust city. No argument there.
2001 - Quincy Carter - Started 31 games in 3 years.
2001 - Tony Dixon - Pretty much awful.
2002 - Andre Gurode - 60 game NFL starter including 42 in his first three years.
2002 - Antonio Bryant - 15 game starter as a rookie.
2003 - Al Johnson - Started 31 games in his first three years.
2004 - Julius Jones - 35 game starter in three years.
2004 - Jacob Rogers - Yuck. This is almost as bad as remembering Dwayne Goodrich.
2005 - Kevin Burnett - Role player
2006 - Anthony Fasano - 5 game starter.

Looking at that list, you'll see several offensive lineman that were season long starters for multiple years (Flo, Page, Gurode, Johnson). Those guys don't really come off the field except for defense and maybe kickoff/kick return (although some do that).

Jones, Bryant and Carter all saw/see significant playing time.

So, I don't think your statement "Fasano is going to see the field plenty. Perhaps more than just about any 2nd round pick we've had in the past 10 years." is really accurate at all.

There are as many as seven players in the last 10 years from the second round that saw significant playing time. Fasano only plays in two-TE sets or H-back sets. Is he a significant contributer? Sure, but I don't think he has seen the field more than just about "any" second round pick of the last 10 years.

 

[Marktui]

BP might have been more comfortable with Roy back there then Watkins or Davis. But, hopefully we will not see him in coverage for the deep routes anymore. Forget about last year.....I can't wait for this year!!!

 

[theogt]

I tried to get "literal" because what you said wasn't a very accurate statement (and to a lesser extent because it amuses me).

1997 - No second round pick.
1998 - Flozell Adams - Started 130 games in the NFL.
1999 - Solomon Page - Started 5 games as rookie. Starter for the 2000 and 2001 seasons. Started 15 games in 2002. Left as a FA in 2003.
2000 - Dwayne Goodrich - Bust city. No argument there.
2001 - Quincy Carter - Started 31 games in 3 years.
2001 - Tony Dixon - Pretty much awful.
2002 - Andre Gurode - 60 game NFL starter including 42 in his first three years.
2002 - Antonio Bryant - 15 game starter as a rookie.
2003 - Al Johnson - Started 31 games in his first three years.
2004 - Julius Jones - 35 game starter in three years.
2004 - Jacob Rogers - Yuck. This is almost as bad as remembering Dwayne Goodrich.
2005 - Kevin Burnett - Role player
2006 - Anthony Fasano - 5 game starter.

Looking at that list, you'll see several offensive lineman that were season long starters for multiple years (Flo, Page, Gurode, Johnson). Those guys don't really come off the field except for defense and maybe kickoff/kick return (although some do that).

Jones, Bryant and Carter all saw/see significant playing time.

So, I don't think your statement "Fasano is going to see the field plenty. Perhaps more than just about any 2nd round pick we've had in the past 10 years." is really accurate at all.

There are as many as seven players in the last 10 years from the second round that saw significant playing time. Fasano only plays in two-TE sets or H-back sets. Is he a significant contributer? Sure, but I don't think he has seen the field more than just about "any" second round pick of the last 10 years.

Do you have hard time reading?

 

[Rack]

BP might have been more comfortable with Roy back there then Watkins or Davis. But, hopefully we will not see him in coverage for the deep routes anymore. Forget about last year.....I can't wait for this year!!!

Yeah we wouldn't want our PRO BOWL SAFETY in coverage anymore. That would be dumb.

 

[Holloway805]

Did you just black out all the articles about playing Roy in the exact same position Wade is talking about playing him in from last training camp? They ran it in practice. Turns out our other safeties are too inept to allow that to happen.

Hopefully Hamlin allows us this flexibility.

If they ran it in training camp and it didn't work, then why in hell didn't they do something about it then? If Parcells knew he had to keep RW deep, then he is to blame for the torching that went on in the last part of the season. Roy is a Pro Bowler but not for his coverage skills. Did you black out that part?

 

[Holloway805]

What?

http://i185.***BLOCKED***/albums/x208/samck4/roypickcovr.jpg

Roll down the window. Maybe I should type slower for you.

 

[Holloway805]

We had packages last year with Roy lined up at LB. Problem is, when you line Roy up at LB, you're removing your BEST COVER SAFETY from the defensive backfield. Seems kind of STUPID to do so, doesn't it?

What seems kind of stupid is allowing your team to have RW as your best cover safety. So by your brilliant logic, our BEST cover safety is not supporting the run or blitzing, he is getting turned around on a weekly basis on deep routes. Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[theogt]

What's stupid is thinking Roy is as bad as the media portrays.

 

[Don Corleone]

I think Fasano will produce well for the team this year but you gotta question the decision by Parcells to take Fasano in the 2nd round as part of a 2 TE offense they planned to use to take pressure off of Bledsoe. We never did use that formation cause Fasano wasn't ready for it, etc.

At minimum we could have used that Fasano pick to add a good OL or a FS who might have been able to produce right away. Don't get me wrong, I like Watkins and he was the FS I wanted us to draft in 06 so was delighted when we got him in the 5th. I still believe that Watkins, particularly with the opportunity to study behind Hamlin, will greatly improve this year and hopefully wins the job before the end of this season--although I also want Hamlin to play well also.

Fasano is a reincarnation of Mark Bavaro, all the way down to his Jersey looks. No way that Parcells would have passed him up.

 

[Don Corleone]

He never figured out Seattle's secondary was decimated in the playoffs.

He also never figured out that Aaron Glenn should not be covering Roy Williams of the Detroit Lions one on one during last season's game.

Add to that...he also never figured out that Bradie James is not a linebacker.

 

[junk]

The H-back role is already playing a prominent role in this offense. Fasano is going to see the field plenty. Perhaps more than just about any 2nd round pick we've had in the past 10 years. I wouldn't worry about that pick.

First he is going to play more than "just about any" second round pick in the last 10 years.

I didn't say more than every player. He'll probably have more snaps in his first 4 years than Gurode did over that same time.

His # of snaps is also probably pretty close to Julius' numbers.

My point stands -- he's going to be contributing just about as much if not more than most of our 2nd round picks in the last 10 years.

Well, now just most of them.

Kevin Burnett, Jacob Rogers, Al Johnson, Tony Dixon, Gurode (to an extent), Solomon Page...

Those are the guys I'm referring to. Fasano is getting as much or more playing time as those guys.

I'm not sure why you tried to get "literal" on me, but even if you look at the literal words I used, my point stands.

OK, well only a select few.

Do you have hard time reading?

Nope, just a hard time following your twisted logic.

 

[theogt]

First he is going to play more than "just about any" second round pick in the last 10 years.



Well, now just most of them.



OK, well only a select few.



Nope, just a hard time following your twisted logic.

Oh noes!!! I said "more than just about"!!! I must have been referring to all!!!! Jesus christ, this is about the dumbest junk I've read in a while. Pun intended.

The players I named constitute the majority of 2nd round picks over the past 10 years. I didn't take the time to look at every single 2nd rounder over the past 10 years and compare his starts. I just went from memory and, for the most part, I was right. You misread what I said. I've pointed that out. Now shut up about it.

The bottom line is that he's playing. He's on the field. He's contributing and should continue to. It's not a complete waste like some would like to believe. You can disagree with the pick, but it's just plain ignorant to pretend like it was a waste.