Parcells v. Wade Phillips with this same team...

[Michael88Irvin]

NO DOUBT that Parcells would have done MUCH less with this cast. He was too controlling and his methods were antiquated and PREDICTABLE (as evidenced by the Saints and Lions losses at the end of the season). Playing 'not to lose', taking the fun out of playing football (and yet being a good judge of football talent, ie. "grocery shopper") are the legacies of Parcells.

Wade has allowed us to play freely, without WORRYING about mistakes. When you worry about something constantly, that is exactly what you bring upon yourself. Other than penalties, we have made FAR FEWER mistakes executing PLAYS on both sides of the ball.

THERE IS NOT A CHANCE IN HELL that if Parcells were coaching this team that ROMO would have 33 TDs in 12 games and the Cowboys would be 11-1.
We would be 8-4 AT BEST right now (with questionable play from our playmakers).

 

[vta]

Perhaps so, but Parcell's built this team. His days as coach might have ended bfore he realized it, but his days as a team builder are still strong.

I love this team and I'm happy with Wade. Too bad Bill couldn't stay on in a personnel role.

 

[Doomsday101]

NO DOUBT that Parcells would have done MUCH less with this cast. He was too controlling and his methods were antiquated and PREDICTABLE (as evidenced by the Saints and Lions losses at the end of the season). Playing 'not to lose', taking the fun out of playing football (and yet being a good judge of football talent, ie. "grocery shopper") are the legacies of Parcells.

Wade has allowed us to play freely, without WORRYING about mistakes. When you worry about something constantly, that is exactly what you bring upon yourself. Other than penalties, we have made FAR FEWER mistakes executing PLAYS on both sides of the ball.

THERE IS NOT A CHANCE IN HELL that if Parcells were coaching this team that ROMO would have 33 TDs in 12 games and the Cowboys would be 11-1.
We would be 8-4 AT BEST right now (with questionable play from our playmakers).

This is all hypothetical we don't know what would have happened under BP or not. I like both coaches and I think each were the right man for the job at the time they were brought in. Parcells helped take a team with no direction and help turn them into a competitive team. Phillips has help bring this team together and has them playing great football..

 

[Chief]

Lookit pal, I know something about football, okay. The typical layman doesn't see everything that I see. Do you like that roster you have there? Huh? Pretty nice, huh? And those players are having fun now, huh? Big party in Big D without mean old Parcells. Well, guess who toughened those guys up, made them resilient? It took a Jersey guy to come in and fix everything. Now you've got your Texan to come in and enjoy it. Congratulations, okay. I'm outta here."

 

[yesfan]

Bill built a very good team that should compete for a long time.
I would have really liked to see him as the GM for this team.Wade
with this staff is successful and really that's all that matters.I'm
glad Bill was here and laid out a great foundation.

 

[Eddie]

If you took this argument to court, the judge would throw it out.

NO EVIDENCE.

 

[superpunk]

Objection, your honor...excessive *******ery.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Not looking to beat on Bill... but there is no way he sniffs anywhere near the success we have had ALL AROUND.


8-4 is even a stretch.... 7-5.... just teetering over .500 is more his thing

 

[joseephuss]

It is not the same team, but it is a very similar team

Leonard Davis is playing RG this year. Rivera was there last year.

Romo is much more experienced this season. He went into the year as the starter in mini-camps, training camp and pre-season. That is way different than becoming the starter in the 2nd half of the 6th game of the season.

Ken Hamlin is playing FS this year. Several guys tried it last year.

A lot of young guys this year are just more mature and experienced especially on the defensive side of the ball. There is something to be said about Ware, Spears, Canty, Burnett and Ratliff being in their 3rd years this season as opposed to only their 2nd years last season.

Nick Folk has been money at kicker. He who shall remain drunk and nameless was part of the team last year.

It just is not the same situation as last year. A lot of little variables and some big ones have changed. I do think the team would be different with Parcells as coach if he stayed on with Dallas. He does bring a different style. I think it would still be a good team with a chance of winning it all, but it probably would not be 11-1 at this point.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Another interesting question to ask is would be Superbowl contenders today if Wade Phillips was hired to be our HC in 2003 and he rebuilt the team instead of Parcells, and with his "aw shucks" personality he let Jerry keep Lacewell and the good ole boy network alive and well in the front office.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I do not believe that the Cowboys would be in the position they are now with Bill Parcells as Head Coach. He played not to lose, he wore on the players and coaching staff, seemed a little burned out at times as former players like Jim Bert had to come on the sidelines to keep him from looking dejected and defeated. Parcells was burned out. You would hear all these rumors about him trying to get ESPN and/or GM gigs. Now was that all made up and heresay, maybe but some say where there is smoke, there is fire. Now I think Tony Romo brought back some of that youthful energy Parcells use to have, but I think the Seattle loss just wore him down tremendously.

Like Crayton and some of the others have said, "It is nice to be able to make a mistake and not get yelled at for it".

Jerry Jones even stated that Parcells told him that he (Jerry Jones) wouldn't like him if the team was losing.

Would Wade Phillips would have been able to build this team up in 2003? Nope, Jerry would have never hired him because he didnt have the Skins on the wall. Parcells was the perfect coach because he demanded perfection, took no prisoners, understood the draft and knew how to build a team from the ground up. I stated in another thread that I wish Parcells could get a ring as well, if the Cowboys went on to win the Super Bowl, because he has every bit a claim to one as anyone on this team.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yep, I think both coaches came along at the right time. I don't have any problem with Parcell's philosophies or schemes, because the record pretty much speaks for itself. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. And when I read articles of how Belichick treats his players, it's absolutely no different than Parcells. He's everybit the hard nosed grouch. I do think Parcells' energy level wound down at the end of the year, and the team reflected that.

 

[JPM]

Another interesting question to ask is would be Superbowl contenders today if Wade Phillips was hired to be our HC in 2003 and he rebuilt the team instead of Parcells, and with his "aw shucks" personality he let Jerry keep Lacewell and the good ole boy network alive and well in the front office.

Hutch, Q-Bong, Henson would be starting.
This entire organization needed an arse kicking. Out with Lacewell in with Ireland. Day and night difference in how we have drafted since. How I don't miss the days of Dwayne Goodrich.

 

[superpunk]

Yep, I think both coaches came along at the right time. I don't have any problem with Parcell's philosophies or schemes, because the record pretty much speaks for itself. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. And when I read articles of how Belichick treats his players, it's absolutely no different than Parcells. He's everybit the hard nosed grouch. I do think Parcells' energy level wound down at the end of the year, and the team reflected that.

"It's a young man's game"

Eventually, unfortunately, you just end up getting too damn old.

 

[Doomsday]

If the Oline had protected Romo last year as well as it has this year BP would of opened things up a bit but nothing like Garrett has.

That said I really like what Wade is doing with the personnel. A big part of the reason for the late season collapses has been wear and tear. Wade is doing a MUCH better job of finding roles for every player on the team, which has to be keeping the team fresher, especially defensively.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Not looking to beat on Bill... but there is no way he sniffs anywhere near the success we have had ALL AROUND.


8-4 is even a stretch.... 7-5.... just teetering over .500 is more his thing

Yeah, like when he went 10-6 with Quincy and the cast of losers he inherited when he arrived.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Playing 'not to lose'

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

I agree with what Madden said during the Philly game. We needed a Parcells when we got him. We needeed Wade this year. You can't alter the history that got us to this point.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yeah, like when he went 10-6 with Quincy and the cast of losers he inherited when he arrived.

Come on we were all scratching our heads on that season... still am... LOL

One thing is for certain.... we tanked mid-end of season....

 

[Michael88Irvin]

I agree with what Madden said during the Philly game. We needed a Parcells when we got him. We needeed Wade this year. You can't alter the history that got us to this point.

Look... I am not saying we should have never had Parcells as a coach. He did his thing and (I say) stayed maybe a year too long (yet the timing was perfect to get Garrett and Phillips), but he was effective in building a solid core of talent. My problem with him was not that at all... it was his game day - game management: ULTRA conservative playcalling, Predictable Vanilla defensive scheme (laughed at by Kitna of all people), lack of adjustment (many players commented on this), playing not to lose (everyone saw it and agrees), the crappy down in the dumps look on his face, etc. His mental psyche job worked in NY where everyone is like that all the time, but is 'old and busted' (and quite frankly is why he 'lost' the players). 'New hotness' is Phillips (great attitude, exponentially better D scheme), Garrett (brilliant cutting edge game planning / play calling), relentless attack (offensive and defensive), and having fun for Pete's sake. Parcells just did not know how to have fun on game day and TRUST his players.