Pass to set up the run

[Hostile]

I agree for the most part but I think anyone expecting Dallas to turn into Air Parcells is kidding themselfs. Dallas does throw on 1st, as much as Indy no and I doubt that we will. For me the bottom line is improved blocking up front so that it will allow us to be able to run or pass consistantly regardless if it is 1st down or not.

I agree with this.

Congrats on 13k posts.

 

[superpunk]

I agree for the most part but I think anyone expecting Dallas to turn into Air Parcells is kidding themselfs. Dallas does throw on 1st, as much as Indy no and I doubt that we will. For me the bottom line is improved blocking up front so that it will allow us to be able to run or pass consistantly regardless if it is 1st down or not.

We actually threw on first down slightly more than Indy last year.

 

[Hostile]

We actually threw on first down slightly more than Indy last year.

You talking % of plays vs. % of plays? I'd understand it, Edge vs. RBBC.

 

[superpunk]

You talking % of plays vs. % of plays? I'd understand it, Edge vs. RBBC.

percentage wise, it might be about even.....checking...

Bledsoe, 179 of 499 passes on 1st down - 36%

Manning, 168 of 453 - 37%.

OK, it's even. I just glanced at totals at first - good catch.

 

[ravidubey]

Parcells will always play to give himself a chance to win in the 4th quarter, but he also always tests the opposing defense to see what he can get away with.

If it looks like the offense can't dictate terms, then BP plays conservative. In the time he's been in Dallas the offense has been either awful or hurt. With opportunity and a team playing well you saw what he did vs. Philadelphia last year.

 

[theogt]

You talking % of plays vs. % of plays? I'd understand it, Edge vs. RBBC.

All Downs

Dallas
Plays - 1071
Rush - 521
Percent - 48.6%


Indy
Plays - 1000
Rush - 465
Percent - 46.5%

First Downs (Non-penalty plays)

Dallas
Plays - 274
Rush - 97
Percent - 35%

Indy
Plays - 333
Rush - 116
Percent - 34.8%

 

[Hoov]

I think parcells tries to keep a balance for the most part.

As far as the offense goes, i think our best players are TO, Glenn and Witten. If your looking for someone to take over the game and dominate, id have to say you need to put the ball in the hands of your playmakers, and right now i have more confidence in the above mentioned guys than the 2 young backs.

Given that, i'd hope that Parcells will game plan accordingly and i envision him passing a good deal on firts down to try to set up second and short. Im thinking a lot of 7 yard passes to either TO, Witten, Fasano taking what the coverage yields and mixed in with some runs to keep the defense honest, and taking a few shots down field to Glenn at times he feels he can catch the defense off guard or blitzing. Definitely do not think it will be a run first offense.

Also, i think we're going to see a lot more redzone passing due to the number of "big" targets in the base offense.

 

[Doomsday101]

percentage wise, it might be about even.....checking...

Bledsoe, 179 of 499 passes on 1st down - 36%

Manning, 168 of 453 - 37%.

OK, it's even. I just glanced at totals at first - good catch.

Thanks for the stats, a bit suprising. For me I think the key to the offense is balance. If we can achive good blanace on offense it will keep the defense always guessing.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't recall Parcells being that conservative in the first two years when he was calling the plays. When Payton called the plays last year, I recall a lot of conservative and predictable playcalls. Whether or not that was Parcells' influence is the question.

He may have seemed a bit more conservative in 2004, but remember that the WR corp consisted of Copper, Crayton, and Keyshawn for the second half of the year and not only was Vinny getting old, he simply couldn't be trusted. Still, he was aggressive like in the game against Pittsburgh where he called a reverse. He was chastised for the call, but Parcells was dead on...if one key player made an easy block (Gurode, IIRC) the play would've gone for big yardage.

Later on in that game when Dallas was trying to run out the clock, they decided to catch the Steelers off guard and throw on second down. But, when Richie Anderson went to go block his helmet hit the ball in Vinny's hand.

The way I describe Parcells' philosophy on offense is that he'll do whatever puts his team in the best position to win. If he had his druthers, he'd run the ball and he usually tries to make it so they win the time of possession battle.

Rich.........

 

[The Answer]

Parcells will always play to give himself a chance to win in the 4th quarter, but he also always tests the opposing defense to see what he can get away with.

If it looks like the offense can't dictate terms, then BP plays conservative. In the time he's been in Dallas the offense has been either awful or hurt. With opportunity and a team playing well you saw what he did vs. Philadelphia last year.

The Answer thinks that parcells finally realizes what he has with this loaded offense and will change with the times. You don't add players like TO, Fasano and Skyler Green if you plan on running a vanilla 'ball control' type of offense. Perhaps that was his original intention last season, but after seeing first hand what Bledsoe is still capable of doing, combined with the fact the running game faltered...he now knows that this team must evolve and become a pass first offense.

If parcells is a true wartime general than he needs to come out guns blazing in the 1st half to take a big lead, then pound the opponents into submission with the running game in the 2nd half to seal the victory!

~The Answer

 

[Doomsday101]

The Answer thinks that parcells finally realizes what he has with this loaded offense and will change with the times. You don't add players like TO, Fasano and Skyler Green if you plan on running a vanilla 'ball control' type of offense. Perhaps that was his original intention last season, but after seeing first hand what Bledsoe is still capable of doing, combined with the fact the running game faltered...he now knows that this team must evolve and become a pass first offense.

If parcells is a true wartime general than he needs to come out guns blazing in the 1st half to take a big lead, then pound the opponents into submission with the running game in the 2nd half to seal the victory!

~The Answer

Dallas threw 499 times last year and I doubt we will look to surpass that. Running the ball is just as important the 2 teams in the SB both ranked at the top in rushing. I think Bill wants to establish balance in this offense not be some pass happy team.

 

[The Answer]

Dallas threw 499 times last year and I doubt we will look to surpass that. Running the ball is just as important the 2 teams in the SB both ranked at the top in rushing. I think Bill wants to establish balance in this offense not be some pass happy team.

I'm not suggesting we pass the ball every down, but we have to play to our strenghts. We have far too many offensive weapons on this football team and would be foolish to not optimize our potential.

Bledsoe, TO, Witten, Glenn, MB the 3rd, Julius, Crayton, Fasano.....I say line up the opponents and shoot them down execution style!

~The Answer

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not suggesting we pass the ball every down, but we have to play to our strenghts. We have far too many offensive weapons on this football team and would be foolish to not optimize our potential.

Bledsoe, TO, Witten, Glenn, MB the 3rd, Julius, Crayton, Fasano.....I say line up the opponents and shoot them down execution style!

~The Answer

Well I expect Dallas to run a balanced attack which consist of running and passing the ball if we are doing that then this offense will see success.

 

[ravidubey]

Dallas threw 499 times last year and I doubt we will look to surpass that. Running the ball is just as important the 2 teams in the SB both ranked at the top in rushing. I think Bill wants to establish balance in this offense not be some pass happy team.

Getting back to the title of this thread then, the question is did those teams run to set up the pass or pass to set up the run? When were the passes called relative to to running plays in the same game, quarter, or even same series.

It seems like when both Superbowl teams played their "A" game they passed first. Pittsburgh's offense was anemic in the Superbowl until Rothlisburger's and Randle El's passes to Ward broke the game open. Of course the breakaway run from scrimmage was also huge. The Steelers also set the tone vs. Indianapolis by throwing first. I think there's no question Seattle passes to set up the run regardless of who their receivers are.

Overall, I really like Parcells' dedication to balance, what I'd like to see him take advantage of more are receiving matchups in the redzone, and I think they'll do that with Glenn, Fasano, Owens, Witten, and throw in Barber since he's a better power back than Julius.

 

[Doomsday101]

Getting back to the title of this thread then, the question is did those teams run to set up the pass or pass to set up the run? When were the passes called relative to to running plays in the same game, quarter, or even same series.

It seems like when both Superbowl teams played their "A" game they passed first. Pittsburgh's offense was anemic in the Superbowl until Rothlisburger's and Randle El's passes to Ward broke the game open. Of course the breakaway run from scrimmage was also huge. The Steelers also set the tone vs. Indianapolis by throwing first. I think there's no question Seattle passes to set up the run regardless of who their receivers are.

Overall, I really like Parcells' dedication to balance, what I'd like to see him take advantage of more are receiving matchups in the redzone, and I think they'll do that with Glenn, Fasano, Owens, Witten, and throw in Barber since he's a better power back than Julius.

I think both teams do a good job of mixing things up. As for Pitt when you have a reputation as a team who runs a lot and Pitt does then yes there are times that they will come out with play action but they earned the rep of a team who could play smash mouth football and any team facing them knew that you had to respect their running game which will open the passing game as they start seeing safeties coming up close to the line of scrimmage. I have never suggested that Dallas run the ball every 1st down I expect them to mix it up to give the defense something to think about. I think any team who is 1 dimensional will run into problems