Pat Fitzgerald urges against union

[Doomsday101]

perhaps but as Bill Maher said last week or so, it used to be the largest US employer was GM and paid an average of 50 an hour in today's dollars, now it is Wal Mart paying the equivalent of 8.00 an hour and even though it's biggest seller is food supplies, the majority of its employees earn so little, they are on food stamps.

When college bball players say they go to bed hungry at times, there is something wrong given the schools make fortunes off the tots

1st mistake is listening to Bill Maher who was at least a stand-up comedian not much of one but none the less just a guy with bucks who has his now TV show outside of that not much of an expert at anything.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

how about dealing with the point rather than attacking the man?

 

[Doomsday101]

how about dealing with the point rather than attacking the man?

The point is the man is an idiot and the 2nd point is players are not going hungry, teams feed and house players money they do get they can spend as they choose. This is what I mean Maher is great at twisting the truth to fit his own agenda.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

how about dealing with the point rather than attacking the man?

I did deal with the point. unionization is down because the unions are putting the company out of business. I call it cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[peplaw06]

The AFCA is a labor union?

I don't know if it's specifically a "labor union," but it looks like Fitzgerald is claiming the AFCA looks out for the interests of the players, meaning they act like CAPA proponents want to act. If AFCA recognize that actions need to be taken in the best interests of the players, why the consternation over the players forming to look out for their own interests? Smacks of patriarchy to me.

 

[peplaw06]

theere is a reason unionization is way way down. It is because it is bad for business owners. collusion to artificially raise labor costs harms the owners, the consumers, and ultimately the workers.

Collusion to artificially hold down labor costs is harmful in its own right.

 

[peplaw06]

The point is the man is an idiot and the 2nd point is players are not going hungry, teams feed and house players money they do get they can spend as they choose. This is what I mean Maher is great at twisting the truth to fit his own agenda.

What money do they get?

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Collusion to artificially hold down labor costs is harmful in its own right.

what you describe is illegal however.

 

[Doomsday101]

What money do they get?

http://www.holyturf.com/2011/05/foo...17000-annually-in-cash-all-within-ncaa-rules/

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

how about dealing with the point rather than attacking the man?

Which point CC?

 

[jobberone]

Two things:

1. Discuss the article and the topic relating to college players unionizing and even how the programs feel about that issue. Do not venture off into generalizations about unions, labor and workers as this thread will rapidly become a problem.

2. Posting an article does not mean the OP ascribes to any or all of it. We put articles up for discussion all the time without regard to our own opinions.

 

[peplaw06]

what you describe is illegal however.

Agreed.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I did deal with the point. unionization is down because the unions are putting the company out of business. I call it cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I wasn't directing my post at you

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

The point is the man is an idiot and the 2nd point is players are not going hungry, teams feed and house players money they do get they can spend as they choose. This is what I mean Maher is great at twisting the truth to fit his own agenda.

if you have rich parents then sure, but many of those athletes in the revenue sports come from poor backgrounds and their parents cannot funnel them money. Sure the school gives them a free educ but face it, the school makes more $$ off a bball player or starting fball player than it gives back in most cases.

 

[peplaw06]

http://www.holyturf.com/2011/05/foo...17000-annually-in-cash-all-within-ncaa-rules/

LOL

Room & Board is not "money..."

And a Pell Grant may or may not be available as the article states. For the sake of the argument, even I were to accept as true that "all players can get Pell Grants to pay for living expenses," why should taxpayers (you or I) be okay with paying players $6,000 a year, but not be okay with them getting paid by the schools who they bring all this revenue to?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The main goals of the American Football Coaches Association are to "maintain the highest possible standards in football and the profession of coaching football," and to "provide a forum for the discussion and study of all matters pertaining to football and coaching." The AFCA, along with USA Today, is responsible for the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision Coaches Poll that determines the national champion each year. The AFCA is also responsible for the Top 25 poll for Division II and Division III football.

Another primary goal of the American Football Coaches Association is the promotion of safety. The Association has established a code of ethics and has made many safety recommendations. An annual injury survey begun by the AFCA in the 1930s has provided valuable data and has led to a remarkable reduction of injuries in the sport down through the years. The NCAA Rules Committee often follows recommendations made by the AFCA.

This, according to Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_Coaches_Association

 

[Rogah]

perhaps but as Bill Maher said last week or so, it used to be the largest US employer was GM and paid an average of 50 an hour in today's dollars, now it is Wal Mart paying the equivalent of 8.00 an hour and even though it's biggest seller is food supplies, the majority of its employees earn so little, they are on food stamps.

And where did that land GM? THey wouldn't even be in existence anymore if it wasn't for the American taxpayer.

When college bball players say they go to bed hungry at times, there is something wrong given the schools make fortunes off the tots

Oh really? Who said that? I'd love to see a link supporting that point (but no such link exists).

 

[Rogah]

I just think it's a tad hypocritical that a coach who's a member of a union, and is in a leadership position in said union, thinks players shouldn't be in a union. You didn't specifically mention the CAPA, but the article you posted in the OP does. Don't act like you're surprised CAPA is a topic in this thread.

When someone says a "union" they mean a "labor union." The Coaches' Association is not a labor union. They don't collectively bargain on behalf of membership.

 

[Rogah]

I read a very interesting article about this and how it will totally backfire on the players. I wish I could remember where so I could give proper attribution, but the argument is this:

Players receive tens of thousands of tuition, room and board tax-free for playing. We're talking about $50,000 per year at a school like Northwester. If they unionize, that tuition, room and board will be considered payment for services rendered. In other words, it will be taxable income. So these morons are taking themselves from a free-ride to a ~$7,000 per year tax bill (and that figure is after the allowable tuition deductions).

 

[peplaw06]

When someone says a "union" they mean a "labor union." The Coaches' Association is not a labor union. They don't collectively bargain on behalf of membership.

Apparently Fitzgerald thinks the AFCA can achieve the things the CAPA is concerned with. Sounds to me like they can collectively bargain with the NCAA. And apparently they can affect changes with the NCAA rules committee, so presumably, they can look out for the players' physical interests with the rules of the game.

You may quibble with the term union, but if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck...

If Fitzgerald acknowledges that the players need a voice... Why can't the players have their own voice in the process?