Pathetic.

[JohnsKey19]

I think the media is overreacting to 1 quarter of action vs an Oakland team that plays man-to-man and has DBs that are pretty good at it. If you don't gameplan for a team that plays exclusively man, there's a good chance the WRs could struggle some to get seperation, especially if the WRs aren't the fastest and/or the quickest.

As for Roy...the baffling thing to me is the man simply can not run. We basically traded for a Mushin Muhhamed type of player - minus the toughness. I mean I can somewhat understand why Jerry would get excited and give up the farm for a young Joey Galloway. At least you knew Joey had an unusual physical gift in that he could outrun probably anybody in the league. But with Roy, I'm still dying to know what Jerry saw on film to warrant the package he gave up in the trade. I'd guarantee the scouts and other personnel people in Dallas were begging Jerry NOT to make the trade.

Oh well...it's water under the bridge now. Despite his flaws, Roy still can be a decent player. We just need consistency from him and for he and the QB to get on the same page.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I think if we see another preseason game of the Romo-Roy misconnection, a change needs to be made NOW. If it hasn’t worked yet, it will never work. We can not go into the season with Roy Williams as the #2.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Roy has gotten open this preseason, but the ball wasn't there. He also gets mugged with no calls. So I agree with whoever said he has to toughen up because with his reputation, he will get no slack from the refs. He'll probably get mugged all season, but he'll have to come up with the ball anyway.

 

[sonnyboy]

RW is a mediocre WR. I think 50 passes would be a very good year for him in our offense.

But a very bad year for the Cowboys. If Roy catches 50 passes, that means Austin, Bryant, Crayton and Ogletree have missed serious time to injury. Not all of them, perhaps 2 of the 4.

Roy Williams is a JAG. That's the only honest way to view him. Do you guys know how many passes were targeted to him in 2009 to get his 38? He was by far our least efficient WR in recent memory.
Drops, fumbles, poor routes, incorrect routes. It goes on and on.

Now with all that said, I do not want him released. It's not in the teams best interest at this point. And that has nothing to do with the investment and everything to do with his potential, his past demonstrated ability.

He can be a good player in this league and we do not have 5 other guys with more ability or proven track record.
He needs to be given the chance to compete or playing time and passes targeted.
If he's the 2nd best guy, than so be it, he starts. If he's the 4th best or 5th best, than his playing time should reflect that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

how did Ryan Leaf or Tony Mandarich get drafted in the top 10? teams make mistakes when it comes to evaluating players.

he had that big season in Detroit in 2006 because they were always behind and had Mike Martz. they finished 3-13 that year.

Roy is a bum

Dez>>>Austin>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roy

 

[Jenky]

Romo and Roy just aren't on the same page. Roy is one of those receivers who needs the ball to be directly thrown to him (or very close). Let him body up the DB. Romo wants to lead him to a certain spot. I don't think Roy is that type of guy.

Watching the Commanders game yesterday, McNabb threw his TD to Anthony Armstrong who was covered. I've seen Romo do this with other receivers, MAINLY Witten. When it comes to running the same type of play with Roy, Romo just doesn't trust him.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010081351/2010/PRE1/bills@Commanders#tab:watch

^ McNabb's throw to a covered WR.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Romo and Roy just aren't on the same page. Roy is one of those receivers who needs the ball to be directly thrown to him (or very close). Let him body up the DB. Romo wants to lead him to a certain spot. I don't think Roy is that type of guy.

Watching the Commanders game yesterday, McNabb threw his TD to Anthony Armstrong who was covered. I've seen Romo do this with other receivers, MAINLY Witten. When it comes to running the same type of play with Roy, Romo just doesn't trust him.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010081351/2010/PRE1/bills@Commanders#tab:watch

^ McNabb's throw to a covered WR.

Romo has no problem throwing to Austin when he is covered. In fact Romo did throw to Roy when he was covered and it was almost picked off. Roy let the defender get in front of him.

I have never seen a receiver that needs so many elements to work for him to be productive. He can only run these particular routes, he needs these type of throws, he needs to be in this formation...blah blah blah. Get me Dez Bryant already. Someone who is a play making WR who can do whatever you ask of him.

But you do make a good point, i just don’t think that applys here.

 

[casmith07]

If we get 50 from Roy it will be a very good year.

90 - 120 from Miles
50ish from Roy
30-60ish from Dez
30-40ish from Crayton

Good year...And this is without the Witten and Marty B, add them.

I could roll with that.

 

[Jenky]

Romo has no problem throwing to Austin when he is covered. In fact Romo did throw to Roy when he was covered and it was almost picked off. Roy let the defender get in front of him.

I have never seen a receiver that needs so many elements to work for him to be productive. He can only run these particular routes, he needs these type of throws, he needs to be in this formation...blah blah blah. Get me Dez Bryant already. Someone who is a play making WR who can do whatever you ask of him.

But you do make a good point, i just don’t think that applys here.

Honestly, I think Romo trusts Roy the least. And I agree, get me Dez Bryant. He'll be #1 eventually.

 

[Hostile]

on espn today this question was asked.:
It appears that our receivers are having trouble creating separation from the DBs. Rank the recievers in their ability to get open.


and look where RW11 ranks.
Saturday August 14, 2010 12:10 Charlie
12:10 Tim MacMahon (ESPNDallas): Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Kevin Ogletree, Patrick Crayton, Roy Williams, Sam Hurd.


Despicable. (also will take this opportunity to note that if I was making the roster, that would be the exact WR order i'd place them in although i'd replace Hurd with Hudgins.)

I don't understand. ESPNs order is "pathetic" and "despicable," but it's the same as your pathetic and despicable order?

Or, maybe I do understand.

 

[Jenky]

Romo has no problem throwing to Austin when he is covered. In fact Romo did throw to Roy when he was covered and it was almost picked off. Roy let the defender get in front of him.

I have never seen a receiver that needs so many elements to work for him to be productive. He can only run these particular routes, he needs these type of throws, he needs to be in this formation...blah blah blah. Get me Dez Bryant already. Someone who is a play making WR who can do whatever you ask of him.

But you do make a good point, i just don’t think that applys here.

But even when he's open. Romo can't get him the ball. I honestly think it's both of them.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Honestly, I think Romo trusts Roy the least. And I agree, get me Dez Bryant. He'll be #1 eventually.

Yea no doubt he does not trust Roy. I am amazed that they still are not on the same page. I have seen no improvement since last year. Unbelievable. I think Dez would be the #2 already had it not been for the injury.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Romo has no problem throwing to Austin when he is covered. In fact Romo did throw to Roy when he was covered and it was almost picked off. Roy let the defender get in front of him.

I have never seen a receiver that needs so many elements to work for him to be productive. He can only run these particular routes, he needs these type of throws, he needs to be in this formation...blah blah blah. Get me Dez Bryant already. Someone who is a play making WR who can do whatever you ask of him.

But you do make a good point, i just don’t think that applys here.

dang, that was succint and 1000% correct.

I don't understand. ESPNs order is "pathetic" and "despicable," but it's the same as your pathetic and despicable order?

Or, maybe I do understand.

:laugh2:

 

[gimmesix]

on espn today this question was asked.:
It appears that our receivers are having trouble creating separation from the DBs. Rank the recievers in their ability to get open.


and look where RW11 ranks.
Saturday August 14, 2010 12:10 Charlie
12:10 Tim MacMahon (ESPNDallas): Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Kevin Ogletree, Patrick Crayton, Roy Williams, Sam Hurd.


Despicable. (also will take this opportunity to note that if I was making the roster, that would be the exact WR order i'd place them in although i'd replace Hurd with Hudgins.)

So Roy had no separation in the end zone when Romo wasn't able to get off a TD pass against Cincy? He had no separation on the passes he caught in that game?

The hatred people have for Williams never takes long to flare up, nevermind that at least once in the game against the Raiders the announcers pointed out that Oakland double-teamed Williams on the completion to Witten, which helped Witten get open. Nevermind that when Romo was sacked because of coverage no other receiver was able to get open, either.

Anyone who thinks Williams is never open or never gets separation is prejudiced in their view of the player, much like the fans at the Alamodome who booed him the few times he dropped a pass while not doing the same with the other receivers.

I'd love to see us get to the point where we simply realize that he's a member of this team and wish for the best in whatever role the Cowboys deem fit to give him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But even when he's open. Romo can't get him the ball. I honestly think it's both of them.

That's my opinion the matter. Even last week he was wide open for that touchdown and while Romo was under pressure he was nowhere near to hitting Roy. I think its a problem both of them have. For whatever reason this doesn't seem to be a problem at practice.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

So Roy had no separation in the end zone when Romo wasn't able to get off a TD pass against Cincy? He had no separation on the passes he caught in that game?

The hatred people have for Williams never takes long to flare up, nevermind that at least once in the game against the Raiders the announcers pointed out that Oakland double-teamed Williams on the completion to Witten, which helped Witten get open. Nevermind that when Romo was sacked because of coverage no other receiver was able to get open, either.

Anyone who thinks Williams is never open or never gets separation is prejudiced in their view of the player, much like the fans at the Alamodome who booed him the few times he dropped a pass while not doing the same with the other receivers.

I'd love to see us get to the point where we simply realize that he's a member of this team and wish for the best in whatever role the Cowboys deem fit to give him.

well said

 

[2much2soon]

So Roy had no separation in the end zone when Romo wasn't able to get off a TD pass against Cincy? He had no separation on the passes he caught in that game?

The hatred people have for Williams never takes long to flare up, nevermind that at least once in the game against the Raiders the announcers pointed out that Oakland double-teamed Williams on the completion to Witten, which helped Witten get open. Nevermind that when Romo was sacked because of coverage no other receiver was able to get open, either.

Anyone who thinks Williams is never open or never gets separation is prejudiced in their view of the player, much like the fans at the Alamodome who booed him the few times he dropped a pass while not doing the same with the other receivers.

I'd love to see us get to the point where we simply realize that he's a member of this team and wish for the best in whatever role the Cowboys deem fit to give him.

Yea, never is a pretty strong word.

How about far less than his team-mates, and dramatically far less than other WRs being paid and having the similar expectations as him around the league?

I was all ready to jump on the Roy bandwagon, and drink the kool-aid on the hype that has followed the guy for years.

But in the final analysis, I am going to have to believe my eyes and what I have seen out of him in Dallas for the past year and a half; he is JAG.

He isn't going to make plays that decide games or seasons. He will make a play here and there, but he just ain't all that.

 

[sonnyboy]

Romo has no problem throwing to Austin when he is covered. In fact Romo did throw to Roy when he was covered and it was almost picked off. Roy let the defender get in front of him.

I have never seen a receiver that needs so many elements to work for him to be productive. He can only run these particular routes, he needs these type of throws, he needs to be in this formation...blah blah blah. Get me Dez Bryant already. Someone who is a play making WR who can do whatever you ask of him.

But you do make a good point, i just don’t think that applys here.

THIS THIS THIS!!! ROTFLMAO!

I'm not a negative fan by any stretch and I wanted the Roy trade to go down. But cheese and crackers! Can this guy just play the position at half the level he's being paid to? PLEASE.

Let me fill in one of your blahs with my favorite Royism......."he's not a stop start guy and shouldn't be asked to run the type of routes that require it"

Are you freaking kidding me? How much of the playbook is that? I guess what that means is he can't uncover so we shouldn't ask him to.

OK We'll just have him run flies, skinny posts and fades in the end zone all game and hope opposing DCs don't pick up the trend.

 

[gimmesix]

How about far less than his team-mates, and dramatically far less than other WRs being paid and having the similar expectations as him around the league?

I don't think you can accurately make those statements. Being open and getting a pass thrown your way do not go hand in hand. It depends on the read, at what point you're open during that read, etc. Also, being able to draw a double-team to get someone else open has to be taken into account.

I believe Williams deserves his knocks because of his dropped passes last season, and probably some for running a different route than Romo expected at times last season (although it's hard to accurately place blame on those). He hasn't been the player we expected (hoped) he would be and that certainly makes him a disappointment so far.

Unless we can point out on each play who was open and who wasn't, I just don't think we can make statements about who gets open more than whom. It's a ridiculous argument meant to be used as another way to ridicule Williams. Instead, it's about time that we just let it play out. If Williams deserves his role, he will remain the starter all season. If not, he will be overtaken by Bryant and most likely cut at the end of the season.