Patriots vs Dolphins and Chiefs

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Both these teams dispatched the Patriots easily early in the season. Both of these teams are subpar jokesters.

Yet the Patriots went 12-2 outside of them (including a brutal beat down of the Dolphins later in the season).

What did Belichick do to improve his team THIS much since the 2-2 start and the 41-14 beatdown by the Chiefs?

Fishy, very fishy.
 

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They worked on their OL and defense. Both were bad to start the season.
 

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Both these teams dispatched the Patriots easily early in the season. Both of these teams are subpar jokesters.

Yet the Patriots went 12-2 outside of them (including a brutal beat down of the Dolphins later in the season).

What did Belichick do to improve his team THIS much since the 2-2 start and the 41-14 beatdown by the Chiefs?

Fishy, very fishy.
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Subpar jokesters?

If they're subpar jokesters, What do you call all the teams that finished worse than they did?

Super Subpar?
 

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Very serious.
Well then it's a moronic statement to suggest there is something fishy in a team having a poor start to the season and turning it around to win a conference championship.

I remember 20 years ago the Eagles spanked the 49ers 40-7 (or something like that) in Candlestick and I remember thinking "well that's it for the 49ers this year!" and then they went on to win all the rest of their meaningful games that year including a regular season victory over Dallas plus the NFCCG victory over Dallas (the famous Michael Irvin - Deion Sanders pass interference game).

Is that fishy too? Or are you just displaying your ignorance of football history?
 

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They got Gronkowski back which was huge.

The Dolphins are still a growing team. Tannehill started to play really well and then their LT went on IR and their O-Line collapsed again.

One of the big things that has helped the Pats over the years is that they play in the worst division in football. When you top-3 QB's in the last 15 years not named Tom Brady are:

1. Chad Pennington
2. Ryan Tannehill
3. Drew Bledsoe

Well, that says a lot.

And this year was no different went your QB's are Geno Smith, Kyle Orton and Ryan Tannehill with no O-Line.





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Bellichick is a good coach. In fact a great one. Though I am mad at him about this latest deflategate I have to be fair here.

During an interview a few months back, he said with the new CBA they couldn't put enough time into preparation during training camp and he said first few weeks of regular season is still like a preseason to him and other coaches. Pats really start slow but then find their groove and get good results. No surprise there.
 

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Pats found out they were not good enough to play by the rules so after their last beat down they altered how they would play the game? lol
 

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That is easy...Gronkowski. The last 3 years when he is out or unhealthy their offense doesn't work. When he was working himself back into shape it got better and better and then he was beast mode and the running game opened up and Edelman started getting better looks.
 

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They got Gronkowski back which was huge.

The Dolphins are still a growing team. Tannehill started to play really well and then their LT went on IR and their O-Line collapsed again.

One of the big things that has helped the Pats over the years is that they play in the worst division in football. When you top-3 QB's in the last 15 years not named Tom Brady are:

1. Chad Pennington
2. Ryan Tannehill
3. Drew Bledsoe

Well, that says a lot.

And this year was no different went your QB's are Geno Smith, Kyle Orton and Ryan Tannehill with no O-Line.


YR

Gronkowski played the first four games. He was targetted 11, 6, 6, and 3 times, the latter was the KC blow-out with Brady getting hit a lot. They then go on a six game tear, where they average around 40 plus points a game. Before that they didn't break 20 twice, scored 20 once and 30 against a bad Vikings team.

Schematically, they push the limits.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-to-restrict-new-englands-substitution-game/

Dungy points out it's more than a one-time tactic. And this would confuse defenses to a large extent.

Wade Phillips in an interview in the off-season pointed out how both them and Denver often have players block when the ball is in the air. Even though it's illegal, he says it's often been overlooked because of the way the league has pushed offenses. He points out that screens, it happens quite a bit and makes it very difficult to defend. The point being, they adjust to teams via even the most obscure ways.

As an aside, I think that's one of the reasons the short passing game has blown into leading to huge gains is precisely because of these lax rules. I think Seattle blew up the Broncos last year, precisely because they got to the WRs quickly on the sort routes and snuffed everything out. The more I think about it, it's become clear that the success of these teams are predicated on rules that open up offenses, which also obscures QB play in today's game. We witnessed today's offense with the Bills and the K-Gun. These types of offenses were destroyed by NFC defenses.
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-to-restrict-new-englands-substitution-game/

Dungy points out it's more than a one-time tactic. And this would confuse defenses to a large extent.
Now wait just a damn minute... you mean to tell me that there are offenses in football that try to confuse the defense??!?!? That's an outrage!!! Blatant cheating!!!

We obviously should outlaw play action, draw plays, reverses, double-reverses, flea flickers, double reverse flea flickers, wildcats, direct snaps, fake punts, fake field goals and make a rule that requires all trick plays to be announced in advance.

Deceiving defenses should not be tolerated in this league. Especially since the Patriots do it better than anybody.
 

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Gronkowski played the first four games. He was targetted 11, 6, 6, and 3 times, the latter was the KC blow-out with Brady getting hit a lot. They then go on a six game tear, where they average around 40 plus points a game. Before that they didn't break 20 twice, scored 20 once and 30 against a bad Vikings team.

Schematically, they push the limits.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-to-restrict-new-englands-substitution-game/

Dungy points out it's more than a one-time tactic. And this would confuse defenses to a large extent.

Wade Phillips in an interview in the off-season pointed out how both them and Denver often have players block when the ball is in the air. Even though it's illegal, he says it's often been overlooked because of the way the league has pushed offenses. He points out that screens, it happens quite a bit and makes it very difficult to defend. The point being, they adjust to teams via even the most obscure ways.

As an aside, I think that's one of the reasons the short passing game has blown into leading to huge gains is precisely because of these lax rules. I think Seattle blew up the Broncos last year, precisely because they got to the WRs quickly on the sort routes and snuffed everything out. The more I think about it, it's become clear that the success of these teams are predicated on rules that open up offenses, which also obscures QB play in today's game. We witnessed today's offense with the Bills and the K-Gun. These types of offenses were destroyed by NFC defenses.

And everyone will tell you that Gronkowski was still hurt and working his way back into football shape. Almost every commentator out there says his health is the reason for the turnaround. Look at their last 3 years, even when he tried to play hurt and was ineffective...still targeted but not effective.
 

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And everyone will tell you that Gronkowski was still hurt and working his way back into football shape. Almost every commentator out there says his health is the reason for the turnaround. Look at their last 3 years, even when he tried to play hurt and was ineffective...still targeted but not effective.

I hardly doubt a TE is the difference between a 20 point spread. Cincinnatti, when their run started, they rushed 46 times for 220 yards. The Jets, 218 yards.
 

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Now wait just a damn minute... you mean to tell me that there are offenses in football that try to confuse the defense??!?!? That's an outrage!!! Blatant cheating!!!

We obviously should outlaw play action, draw plays, reverses, double-reverses, flea flickers, double reverse flea flickers, wildcats, direct snaps, fake punts, fake field goals and make a rule that requires all trick plays to be announced in advance.

Deceiving defenses should not be tolerated in this league. Especially since the Patriots do it better than anybody.

Yes, because that is exactly what I said.... Don't you have some balls to deflate for the SB for Brady and BB?
 

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I hardly doubt a TE is the difference between a 20 point spread. Cincinnatti, when their run started, they rushed 46 times for 220 yards. The Jets, 218 yards.

Basically Oline and Gronk

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/li...rnaround/485a39e1-b953-4286-a041-52233c5bec1f

There are two things I always point to: 1. They stopped messing around with the offensive line and just put the five best guys out there; 2. Rob Gronkowski has improved physically and gotten into game shape after so much time off, but more importantly he has gotten over the mental hurdles of the torn ACL, back surgery, four arm surgeries and ankle surgery he underwent in less than a two-year span

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/volin-what-has-led-patriots-turnaround

"Since Rob Gronkowski has been really,truly healthy - those first four games he wasn't - but since that Cincinnati game on, I feel like you're watching a totally different offense. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it seems the trickle-down effect of Rob Gronkowski has maybe been the biggest thing, because now you open up other receivers. Because even if you've got two guys on Gronk, then you have other guys who are open."

This was 2013 when healthy vs Unhealthy

http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/statsdriven/2013/12/the_gronk_effect.html

In the six games he was sidelined while recovering from back and multiple forearm surgeries, New England’s offense ranked 22nd in the NFL (behind division rivals Buffalo and Miami) by averaging just 20.8 points per game. Tom Brady’s completion percentage over that span was 56.9% ranking New England 26th. The team averaged 246.7 gross passing yards per game to place 20th and yards per completion was 28th in the league at 10.9. Brady ranked 17th in passer rating at 79.5

In the six games playing with Gronkowski, the turnaround has been startling. Only the Broncos have scored more points per game (33.2 to 32.8), the team’s 297.8 passing yards per game ranks fourth in the NFL, Brady has completed 64.7% of his throws, ranking fifth and yards per completion have increased by a full point to 11.9 to rank 13th.
 

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In the six games playing with Gronkowski, the turnaround has been startling. Only the Broncos have scored more points per game (33.2 to 32.8), the team’s 297.8 passing yards per game ranks fourth in the NFL, Brady has completed 64.7% of his throws, ranking fifth and yards per completion have increased by a full point to 11.9 to rank 13th.
The guy is the true MVP of that team.
 
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