Pats peaked too soon? Or ate the cheese?

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It happens all the time. A team will play it's best ball for just so long. The Pats seem to be doing just that. Fighting for their lives against 20+ spreads. Either that or they've eaten the cheeese. They got an early Xmas present last night.

Take note Dallas; They are very beatable. All you need is a hostile stadium, strong winds, dedication to the run, bad coaching and a QB better than that loser Boler. He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
 

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dfense;1811090 said:
It happens all the time. A team will play it's best ball for just so long. The Pats seem to be doing just that. Fighting for their lives against 20+ spreads. Either that or they've eaten the cheeese. They got an early Xmas present last night.

Take note Dallas; They are very beatable. All you need is a hostile stadium, strong winds, dedication to the run, bad coaching and a QB better than that loser Boler. He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

I don't think that is the case. Pats are the team with the bulls eye on them and they are facing teams who are treating this game like their own personal SB. I give the Raven credit last night it was the best outing I have seen from them all year long. Winning every weekend is not an easy task
 

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On defense, at least, the Pats aren't the youngest team either.

Seau and Brown at LB, for example. The length of the season has to weigh on you after so much wear and tear.
 

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Woods;1811116 said:
On defense, at least, the Pats aren't the youngest team either.

Seau and Brown at LB, for example. The length of the season has to weigh on you after so much wear and tear.

I agree with this. If there is a weakness with the Pats it is on the defensive side of the ball and as you mentioned this is not a young NE defense.
 

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I think the defense being old is only part of the problem.

When you are on top, there is only one to go, and that is down. They are constantly hearing how great they are. They are also getting each team's best effort. You can also make the case that alot of the teams copied what the Eagles did and used that same model to attack the Patriots on offense.

Patriots have not been dominant on Defense, it was always about slowing down their Offense.
 

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Woods;1811116 said:
On defense, at least, the Pats aren't the youngest team either.

Seau and Brown at LB, for example. The length of the season has to weigh on you after so much wear and tear.


When we played them... we helped them by keeping their defense off the field.

We only had the ball on offense for 21:45 and still scored 27 pts on them. We can bang with them.

Something as simple as evening up the TOP could lead us to a win.
 

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I like the Cowboys chances if we play them again. Why?

1. I believe the Cowboys were intimidated by the Patriots. We started the game tentatively and only warmed up after we got down by 11.

2. We were without Henry and a healthy Newman, and Reeves was still learning on the job.

3. I truly believe that Wade Phillips didn't open the playbook, partly because I think he knew we would see them again and partly because the team still was learning his system. I think the defense will be better.

4. The Eagles and Ravens provided the blue print to beat the Patriots. But they couldn't close the deal because ...
a.) they had back-up quarterbacks who didn't know how to close the game, and Romo/Red Ball know how to close out a game and
b.) they were too one-dimensional and predictable. The Pats knew that the Eagles had to feature Westbrook. They adjusted to defense him. The Pats knew the Ravens were going to feature McGahee. They adjusted to defense him. But the Cowboys or the Colts or the Steelers have other weapons beyond just one player. Take away T.O., here comes Witten. Take away both, here comes Barber. Take away him, here comes Fasano. Romo is smart enough now to take what the defense gives them.

5. Other teams have "caught up" with the Pats defense. It usually takes the league and teams in the league a half a season to get enough tape on a team to finally start to dissect them. I think you're going to see the Steelers and Giants play the Pats tough. The Jets and Dolphins? Easy wins.

6. The Patriots defense is old. And old defense starts to wear down at the end of the season. They're good, but I believe their age is showing.

The Cowboys won't be intimiated by the Pats if both make it to the Super Bowl. I hope they keep their mouths closed and then use their big offensive line to pound and beat up on the Patriots defense.

It can happen. But first things first. :)
 

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all i know is the boys seem like they are getting better and the pats look like they are on the decline
 

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Let's say that my friend....we'll call him Rob....has a problem with peaking too soon? Is there someplace he could go to get help with that?

Completely hypothetical, of course.
 

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As much as I hate the Pats, I take a different approach. They took the Ravens best shot on a windy cold night where B-more played the game of their season. This team has ice cold blood in it's veins and knows how to win close games. When they're down, they know they can pull it out. Every team, even great one's, have lull's in their season. Make no mistake, The Pats are a tough team.
 

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They're one of the oldest teams in the league, particularly on defense. They peaked too early. Their defense is only going to get worse from here on out.
 

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THEHEREAFTER;1811227 said:
As much as I hate the Pats, I take a different approach. They took the Ravens best shot on a windy cold night where B-more played the game of their season. This team has ice cold blood in it's veins and knows how to win close games. When they're down, they know they can pull it out. Every team, even great one's, have lull's in their season. Make no mistake, The Pats are a tough team.


Agreed.

I like our chances if we get them again... and its not because of the recent weeks developments.... its because how we played them in week 6.

We just gotta play smarter and keep our D off the field.
 

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THEHEREAFTER;1811227 said:
As much as I hate the Pats, I take a different approach. They took the Ravens best shot on a windy cold night where B-more played the game of their season. This team has ice cold blood in it's veins and knows how to win close games. When they're down, they know they can pull it out. Every team, even great one's, have lull's in their season. Make no mistake, The Pats are a tough team.

I don't think that was really the Ravens best shot.

It might have looked that way, because the Pats defense is so porous and weak as to make the Ravens offense look halfway competent, and Willis McGahee look like a star - but I think they were sloppy on offense and defense at times. No way do I classify a 13-penalty game as a team's "best shot".
 

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mickgreen58;1811133 said:
I think the defense being old is only part of the problem.

When you are on top, there is only one to go, and that is down. They are constantly hearing how great they are. They are also getting each team's best effort. You can also make the case that alot of the teams copied what the Eagles did and used that same model to attack the Patriots on offense.

Patriots have not been dominant on Defense, it was always about slowing down their Offense.
don't look now but the level of disdain for the Cowboys has reached a fever pitch...and now it becomes worse after knocking off the darling Packers...but the Patriots remain the easiest team to hate...here's hoping they go undefeated...like i've said before, this would give their opponent the biggest edge...Dallas losing to NE allows fans of other teams a way to vent against their success...NE has'nt lost and does'nt have that same luxury...the pressure will only intensify toward the playoffs.

The funniest thing last night was the exchange between Harrison and Billick on the sideline...Billick even blew him a little kiss.:eek:: ...ahhhh shucks...

The theme of the Ravens season continued and it cost them...Boller makes a horrid decision late in the game and Billick takes the game out of his hands and gives it to the defense...and the offense plays to form...three times...three and out...no points...no first downs.

I guess seeing the train does'nt mean you can get out of its way.

I figured that Baltimore would need to score 28 points to win this game...I did'nt see how they'd do it...and indeed they came up four short...the bumbled INT by Reed and the Boller pick were huge, in a game where Baltimore needed everything to go their way...in the end a devastating loss, particularly for a defense that played with unbridled intensity, focus and heart.

They came apart at the end, but i can't say i would'nt have done the same.

The NE defense [run defense particularly] is now a legitimate concern for the remainder of the season...a 25th ranked offense gave them all that they could handle.

Last night's game showed a vulnerable Patriots team that's running on the ragged edge...if they have'nt peaked yet you would'nt know it by watching them fumble around against the Ravens...but credit the Baltimore defense in forcing them into mistakes.

If there is a blueprint for defeating NE then the Ravens showed the way:

1. Harrass Brady by any means necessary and on every pass attempt...a knockdown is as good as a sack...keep the 4WR sets off the field.

2. Play physical with the wide receivers. If you play zone, it must be aggressive...no 10 yard cushions.

3. Double Moss and Welker (especially), they have the best hands on the team...make Stallworth and Watson beat you.

4. Run at them off right tackle. Stay committed to control the clock, limit possessions and break the will of the defense.

5. Good special teams coverage...make them go the distance.

6. Take the ball away.
 

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THEHEREAFTER;1811227 said:
As much as I hate the Pats, I take a different approach. They took the Ravens best shot on a windy cold night where B-more played the game of their season. This team has ice cold blood in it's veins and knows how to win close games. When they're down, they know they can pull it out. Every team, even great one's, have lull's in their season. Make no mistake, The Pats are a tough team.


They were very fortunate to win that game - lucky I would even say and I really don't have a problem with the refs.

Ravens stop 2 4th and 1's, only to have them null and void and they can't intercept a ball that hangs in the air for a couple of seconds.

Somebody said it before about fate -that is kind where I am.
 

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dfense;1811090 said:
It happens all the time. A team will play it's best ball for just so long. The Pats seem to be doing just that. Fighting for their lives against 20+ spreads. Either that or they've eaten the cheeese. They got an early Xmas present last night.

Take note Dallas; They are very beatable. All you need is a hostile stadium, strong winds, dedication to the run, bad coaching and a QB better than that loser Boler. He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

neither.

they will get better in the playoffs.

I feel sorry for whoever has to go to foxborough in the divisional round.
 

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superpunk;1811215 said:
Let's say that my friend....we'll call him Rob....has a problem with peaking too soon? Is there someplace he could go to get help with that?

Completely hypothetical, of course.
I wouldn't know anything about that. You should ask Summer :eek:
 

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superpunk;1811215 said:
Let's say that my friend....we'll call him Rob....has a problem with peaking too soon? Is there someplace he could go to get help with that?

Completely hypothetical, of course.


maybe if you called him the right name he would be more apt to care about fulfilling your needs as well. Right now he feels under appreciated and over looked, maybe a day cuddling would solve you guys problems. Good luck, nothing like young love.
 

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theebs;1811253 said:
neither.

they will get better in the playoffs.

I feel sorry for whoever has to go to foxborough in the divisional round.


In bad weather in Foxboro - it is going to be the Patriots that suffer. Indy will beat them in bad weather and I would say Pittsburgh has a very good chance in bad weather not to mention San Diego and LT.

A good running game will beat the Pats in January I think.
 
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