Pauline draft tidbits

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1. I’m told that while the Los Angeles Rams know which quarterback they will select, presumably Jared Goff of Cal, don’t expect an official announcement until sometime Thursday. Sources tell me while the Rams want to go through final checks and balances before publicly announcing the pick, there’s a belief the league is pressuring the franchise to hold off on making an announcement until the first day of the draft. The NFL Draft has become such big business that the league hopes to build speculation around who will ultimately end up as the top selection.

2. Paxton Lynch is universally considered the third quarterback is this year’s draft but where will he end up? Some believe he’ll be a top 15 selection either by a team holding the pick or another franchise willing to trade up. His physical skills are unmatched when comparing Lynch to the top quarterbacks in this draft and many feel it’s just a matter of getting acclimated to the NFL game.

But there’s also the belief Lynch could fall deep into the late part of round one.

Why the disparity?

Lynch reportedly posted an alarmingly low score on the Wonderlic test at the Combine. And while some teams are not concerned believing the Wonderlic is not the be all and end all, it is a test administered to measure intelligence, problem solving and the ability to think quickly on one’s feet. Several franchises around the league significantly mark down signal-callers who score poorly on the test. I was informed Lynch was not asked to retake the test.

3. Some in the league tell me they believe Christian Hackenberg will be selected ahead of Lynch. I do not buy this opinion, but expect Hackenberg to be off the board during the early part of the second round as the San Francisco 49ers, Chicago Bears and Miami Dolphins are all considering him in the top half of that frame.

4. Finally, contrary to reports from the Combine recheck two weeks ago that defensive end Shaq Lawson’s injured shoulder was medically cleared, I’m told not all teams are comfortable with the situation. There are more than a few franchises who believe the condition in Lawson’s shoulder is degenerative and will cause problems down the road.

Scouts say Lawson knows one speed, all-out, which leads to a battered body. If Lawson falls on draft day, it's likely a result of red flags on his shoulder.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/n...raft-Day/7d1fca64-ba9c-4b37-91ff-302c2b078f86
 

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I don't get why teams end up taking guys like Hackenberg in the 2nd. Doesn't that seem like a sure-fire waste of a high pick? I'd think you'd eventually start to see a differential in how QBs are drafted, with the first 2-3 drafted high and in the 1st round, and then skip a round or two where you'd start picking up guys who might have a shot but who need years of work in the late 3rd or 4th and 5th rounds. Blowing a 2nd on a guy who's a longshot and who can't realistically help you for 20-40% of his contract is expensive.
 

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I don't get why teams end up taking guys like Hackenberg in the 2nd. Doesn't that seem like a sure-fire waste of a high pick? I'd think you'd eventually start to see a differential in how QBs are drafted, with the first 2-3 drafted high and in the 1st round, and then skip a round or two where you'd start picking up guys who might have a shot but who need years of work in the late 3rd or 4th and 5th rounds. Blowing a 2nd on a guy who's a longshot and who can't realistically help you for 20-40% of his contract is expensive.

I think they are afraid that if they don't take them at spot x, that another team will take them before their next pick...and when we see them over drafting in the first round for the position, not much of a shocker when they over draft them later.

Frankly I look to see the Cowboys possibly panic and take Prescott higher than some think...or another QB.

Maybe they think they got hurt last year by passing on a number of RBs thinking they would be there later only for them to be taken right before they pick.

I think that happened with FredBeard in some ways when they thought they played it smart and was going to have Unger fall to them only to see him taken a few picks prior. I think they learned in that unger draft and years later they go ahead a take the guy they want even if it is a tad early instead of taking a chance and losing out.

But...that is just me rambling...which tends to happen even more around draft time.
 

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Hackenburg.

Seriously? He is bad. Just bad. 53% completion. The NFL amazes me


And Hack and Connor are considered the 2nd level by many...and we have been looking at QBs that are rated lower as well.
 

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Hogan, all day,over Hack and Cook.

I don't think I have seen any big boards or rankings that have Hogan over either of those two.

Not saying I don't agree with you...but I am saying it seems most do not agree with us. I think Hogan might not have the best talent of the three....I do think he is a better leader and player when it counts though and I don't think he had a problem with his teammates not caring for him like connor.
 

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I believe Christian Hackenberg could do well inthe right system (surrounded by talent) and right situation ( change learn the playbook)
 

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I don't think I have seen any big boards or rankings that have Hogan over either of those two.

Not saying I don't agree with you...but I am saying it seems most do not agree with us. I think Hogan might not have the best talent of the three....I do think he is a better leader and player when it counts though and I don't think he had a problem with his teammates not caring for him like connor.

I have two draft mags with Hogan as the 4th best QB.

I just can't believe teams would roll with Cook (the a-hole?) or Hack (the turtle) over Hogan. He has proven himself vs the best and has great athleticism to boot. Not sure why ppl don't see the upside
 

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I think they are afraid that if they don't take them at spot x, that another team will take them before their next pick...and when we see them over drafting in the first round for the position, not much of a shocker when they over draft them later.

Frankly I look to see the Cowboys possibly panic and take Prescott higher than some think...or another QB.

Maybe they think they got hurt last year by passing on a number of RBs thinking they would be there later only for them to be taken right before they pick.

I think that happened with FredBeard in some ways when they thought they played it smart and was going to have Unger fall to them only to see him taken a few picks prior. I think they learned in that unger draft and years later they go ahead a take the guy they want even if it is a tad early instead of taking a chance and losing out.

But...that is just me rambling...which tends to happen even more around draft time.

Yeah, I'm sure that's why they do it, but...man, those guys are lottery tickets they so rarely pay off. I get jumping up for a Bridgewater or a Brees or a Carr when they're there. I don't know, maybe Cook falls in that category this year (I don't think so, but, whatever). But at some point, there's a break and you know you're looking at developmental long shots with a very very low rate of return. That's where the Hackenbergs and the Prescotts of the world live in this draft.

I don't mind taking one of those guys in the 4th or so. But the 2nd round? Guh, that's rich for me for a guy who've very likely to never play or never play well.
 

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The very low wonderlic score is a red flag for me esp for a QB
I liked lynch but his lack of experience in the pro set and low score are very concerning
 

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I think they are afraid that if they don't take them at spot x, that another team will take them before their next pick...and when we see them over drafting in the first round for the position, not much of a shocker when they over draft them later.

Frankly I look to see the Cowboys possibly panic and take Prescott higher than some think...or another QB.

Maybe they think they got hurt last year by passing on a number of RBs thinking they would be there later only for them to be taken right before they pick.

I think that happened with FredBeard in some ways when they thought they played it smart and was going to have Unger fall to them only to see him taken a few picks prior. I think they learned in that unger draft and years later they go ahead a take the guy they want even if it is a tad early instead of taking a chance and losing out.

But...that is just me rambling...which tends to happen even more around draft time.

Dak Prescott has the stink of another former QB pick, Stephen McGee. More of an athlete than a passer. Rather wait and take Cardale Jones or Jeff Driskel. Both have better arms, athleticism and much higher upside than Prescott.
 

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Ramsey in first.
Hackenberg or Cook in second.

My nightmare scenario
 

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The very low wonderlic score is a red flag for me esp for a QB
I liked lynch but his lack of experience in the pro set and low score are very concerning

18 is low for a Qb but i think this might drop him a bit and maybe into rd 2.
 

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He's a pressure watcher. Never, ever waste your time with one of those. If the player is so unnerved by flying bodies around him that he routinely takes his eyes off his progressions he isn't fit to be an NFL QB.

If we are the loser team that drafts Hack in 2, then I don't care who we drafted at 4. We've lost the draft at that point
 

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I don't get why teams end up taking guys like Hackenberg in the 2nd. Doesn't that seem like a sure-fire waste of a high pick? I'd think you'd eventually start to see a differential in how QBs are drafted, with the first 2-3 drafted high and in the 1st round, and then skip a round or two where you'd start picking up guys who might have a shot but who need years of work in the late 3rd or 4th and 5th rounds. Blowing a 2nd on a guy who's a longshot and who can't realistically help you for 20-40% of his contract is expensive.

Hard to say. I mean, Derek Carr, Osweiler, Dalton, even Garoppolo were all somewhat recently taken around then. Wilson a little later. Bridgwater a couple of picks earlier.

It's been kind of a sweet spot because the overhype is gone by then, so the pick matches up with player better.
 
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Nope...just the facts man. He was a model guy at MSU for 5 years on and off the field. There have been articles written lately about the smear campaign he has endured. This one is by a writer who attended the University of Michigan. Even he admits it's bizarre.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/22/anonymous_scouts_dislike_connor_cook_but_why.html

Hey, I actually like Cook. The personality thing is odd, but nothing more than rumors. It's his completion % that's the problem.

But my last post was referring to Hack, not Cook. He's terrible. Folds like a cheap suit
 
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