Penalties in the Super Bowl

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I think it is somewhat natural to feel that as a Cowboy's fan to feel the Steelers get their fair share of the breaks from the impartial observers in the striped shirts, particularly in the Big Game...at least I do. I think that is somewhat natural as they have beaten us twice there. I'm not taking anything away from their performance and congratulate them on their victory. If a call goes the other way at some point in the game, you can't simply say that the score would only be different by that amount(interception return for TD before the half). Who's to say that Fitzgerald hustle, running 100+ yards to almost bring down Harrison didn't spark the Cards 2nd half revival? There are so many variables in every single play, that one change completely changes the outlook for the next play and so on.

That being said, I thought it would be interesting to see how teams who had been to the Super Bowl at least 4 times had faired with regard to being called for penalties. Keep in mind that I tend to agree that a team who gets a penalty usuallly deserved it or was undisciplined.

Team (Record) Avg # of Pen Avg Yds Opp # Pen Opp Yds
Dallas (5-3)............6.75.......59.88......3.00..........22.63
New England (3-3)...5.33.......38.33......5.83..........44.00
Oakland (2-2)..........5.00.......37.25......3.50..........33.75
Minnesota (0-4).......4.75.......43.75......4.25..........50.75
Denver (2-4)...........4.67.......40.00......6.17...........50.67
Pittsburgh (6-1).......4.43.......44.71......5.57...........50.57
Green Bay (3-1).......4.25.......38.00......4.25...........36.00
Buffalo (0-4)...........4.25.......31.25.......6.00..........54.00
San Fran (5-0)........4.20........32.60......4.40..........39.40
Miami (2-3).............1.80.......20.80.......4.00..........30.20
Average(incl Opp)....5.03........42.76

Notable observations:
1) Dallas is by far the most penalized teams for the most yards in the Super Bowl; we average 3.75 more penalties and an amazing 37.25 yards more than our opponents.
2) Miami was a true reflection of Don Shula.
3) Buffalo was a benefactor of 22.75 yards per game.
4) There was not a huge variance I was expecting with Pittsburgh.

Interesting statistic:
You normally think the team with the most penalties or teams penalized for more yards were more likely to lose.
Teams who had fewer penalites won only 41.9% of the time and teams who had few penalty yards won only 39.5% of the time.
Teams with more penalties...51.2%
Teams with more penalty yards...58.1%

In 43 games, 4 teams were called for 0 penalites(Miami, Pittsburgh, Denver, and Atlanta). Oddly enough, they were 1-3 in those games with all losses by at least 15 points.
 

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While I appreciate the info, I dont understand why the Commanders were excluded from this topic. They have been to 5 also.
 

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Very interesting stats Gollum. Thanks for posting them.

I noticed that the Stealers on Sunday were called for very few penalties early in the game but more in the 4th quarter.
 

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SkinsandTerps;2618548 said:
While I appreciate the info, I dont understand why the Commanders were excluded from this topic. They have been to 5 also.


Maybe because there were only 5 other teams when you won your first championship and 9 when you won your second?

You do not think thats different than winning a Championship when there are 30+ teams?
 

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SkinsandTerps;2618548 said:
While I appreciate the info, I dont understand why the Commanders were excluded from this topic. They have been to 5 also.

Strictly an oversite. Perhaps subliminally, I only counted full seasons :)

Here's Washington's stats for you:
Record 3-2
Averages 4.6 penalties for 54 yds / game
Opp 5.0 penalties for 44.4 yds / game
 

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zrinkill;2618562 said:
Maybe because there were only 5 other teams when you won your first championship and 9 when you won your second?

You do not think thats different than winning a Championship when there are 30+ teams?


I meant 5 Superbowls. Sorry if you didn't get that part.
 

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gollum;2618587 said:
Strictly an oversite. Perhaps subliminally, I only counted full seasons :)

Here's Washington's stats for you:
Record 3-2
Averages 4.6 penalties for 54 yds / game
Opp 5.0 penalties for 44.4 yds / game


:laugh2: Fair enough. I can take a good ribbing.

Thanks for the addition.
 

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Regardless, the Steelers are 11-5 since we last won a Playoff Game and have won 2 out of the last 4 Super Bowls.
 

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With the stealers, it's not always the number of penalties, it is when they occur.

You see penalties that are not called that could bring a big play for them back.

Or a penalty called against an opponent that negates a big play for that team.

Plus they benefit from favorable spots for their offense, and questionable results from reviews.

I watched their last regular season game against the Browns and the stealer LT continually lined up deeper in the backfield that BR when he was under center, 2 yds off of the LOS, ... no flag.

My point is, looking just at the number of penalties and penalty yards does not tell the whole story when it comes to the "favorable gifts" that the stealers enjoy.
 

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WV Cowboy;2619007 said:
With the stealers, it's not always the number of penalties, it is when they occur.

You see penalties that are not called that could bring a big play for them back.

Or a penalty called against an opponent that negates a big play for that team.

Plus they benefit from favorable spots for their offense, and questionable results from reviews.

I watched their last regular season game against the Browns and the stealer LT continually lined up deeper in the backfield that BR when he was under center, 2 yds off of the LOS, ... no flag.

My point is, looking just at the number of penalties and penalty yards does not tell the whole story when it comes to the "favorable gifts" that the stealers enjoy.

I totally agree with you. The problem with penalties are they are subjective to the interpretations of human beings. No matter how clearly the rule is written, two different people with two different natural biases can see the same play in completely different viewpoints and make arguments, that at least in their honest assessments are valid. Case in point…the roughing the kicker/handler call. I’ve seen arguments on this board from people who honestly believe that since it was not intentional, it should not count. I can see a case for both sides…he creamed the guy, but I also could rationalize that he was pulled forward and the momentum carried him into the holder, similar to a blocked into the kicker non-penalty. My heart tells me he was pulled, my eyes saw the results and know that he was not pulled that hard to cause the collision that occurred.

Referees are just as human as you and I and have to make split second decisions on incomplete data their minds have just processed at amazing speed while many times avoiding speeding asteroids flying about them unprotected with enough force to knock them unconscious. They don’t have the benefit to go back and look(except very few times) at not simply a replay, but a replay in super slow motion from various angles utilizing technology they can’t carry with them. It is easy for us as fans to “feel” as if the calls were made to intentionally help determine the outcome, but I’d like to believe that no matter who they may have rooted for growing up, their professionalism would trump any such natural biases. I say that seeing what happened to Benny Barnes, what happened to the Oilers, what happened to the Seahawks a couple of years ago, what happened to the Ravens earlier this season…all against the Steelers. It’s human nature to want to blame the refs, and I have probably been guilty of it myself from time to time, but I love this game and accept the human nature and chance for error, controversy and dispute that are inherent with 7 men not the physical equivalent of the 22 men they are judging in short 5-8 seconds bursts of action.

At the very least, it gives fans something to debate about ad nauseam for weeks and apparently years!
 

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WV Cowboy;2619007 said:
With the stealers, it's not always the number of penalties, it is when they occur.

You see penalties that are not called that could bring a big play for them back.

Or a penalty called against an opponent that negates a big play for that team.

Plus they benefit from favorable spots for their offense, and questionable results from reviews.

I watched their last regular season game against the Browns and the stealer LT continually lined up deeper in the backfield that BR when he was under center, 2 yds off of the LOS, ... no flag.

My point is, looking just at the number of penalties and penalty yards does not tell the whole story when it comes to the "favorable gifts" that the stealers enjoy.

Yes, because having a potentially game-clinching first down called back and turned into a safety is a "favorable gift" and did not occur at a crucial point in the game.
 

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Temo;2619215 said:
Yes, because having a potentially game-clinching first down called back and turned into a safety is a "favorable gift" and did not occur at a crucial point in the game.

Was that your first game Sunday?

I wasn't referring specifically about this Super Bowl, but many games involving the stealers over the years.

Although had they not converted that first down, they may have elected to take an intentional safety at that point. So it was not the end of the world.
 

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WV Cowboy;2619240 said:
Was that your first game Sunday?
No, just using it as an example

I wasn't referring specifically about this Super Bowl, but many games involving the stealers over the years.

I'll give you the Seahawks bowl.

Although had they not converted that first down, they may have elected to take an intentional safety at that point. So it was not the end of the world.

That holding call took away a 1st down, with what-- 2.5 minutes left?. If they make that first down, they don't take a safety, instead they run off a ton of time.

In general, I find it hard to believe that the league chooses to consistently favor a single team above all others.
 
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