Peter King on WR in draft today

[btcutter]

my Sirius NFL Radio partner, prodded me on this today, and he's right: The chances of drafting a receiver high and having him make an impact in year one are very small. Since 2000, 48 receivers have been among the top 40 picks. A handful have been very good early: Dwayne Bowe, picked 23rd by Kansas City two years ago, was terrific as a rookie; Larry Fitzgerald (third, 2004), Andre Johnson (third, 2003), Lee Evans (13th, 2004), Santana Moss (16th, 2001), Reggie Wayne (30th, 2001) ... and that's it for early impact guys. One out of 11, on average, have been starter-quality as rookies.

On the other hand, there's ... Peter Warrick, Travis Taylor, Sylvester Morris, Todd Pinkston, David Terrell, Quincy Morgan, Ashley Lelie, Josh Reed, Rashaun Woods, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Mark Bradley, Chad Jackson. Need I go on? There's so much more of a washout factor with these high picks at receivers than at, say, the offensive line. Why, if you're a team with a win-now roster, do you take one of these high-risk guys in the first or second round and hope he pans out when there are two players, Edwards and Boldin, who you know could step in and be big players now?

The Giants and Eagles are Super Bowl contenders. They have veteran teams ready to win now. This is the time when front offices should read the market and act to bring in veterans. The only way I wouldn't do it, frankly, is if I were sure there was an injury factor, or attitude factor, or the compensation was more than, say, first- and fourth-round picks. Then I might shy away.

Just my two cents worth as we get ready for the draft.

The RW trade isn't as bad as some make out to be. Sure, retrospectively if we had know Edwards or Boldin could be had for a #1 only......but .......no one knew what we know now. But we do see the WR in the draft is worse than a crapshoot even in the 1st round.

 

[DFWJC]

If RW gives us 1000+yards and 8++ TDs, I'll be fine with him.

 

[theebs]

the roy trade isnt as bad as some think without a doubt. I hate giving up a 1 anytime except for a Left tackle, Quarterback or pass rusher. Other than those positions I think moving a 1 is very sketchy, but it might have been the right move.

From my perspective, I am just pulling for roy williams big time, I hope more people line up against him to motivate him to have a great season. Him and bennett seem like fun loving guys, you can see there personalities on the field during warmups and I think those kinds of guys are good for a locker room.

and most importantly, without that trade buffalo bill is still here and we probably ignore wr again in the draft or take one very high and then have him get mentored by the biggest psycho in the league.

So I will take williams for the 1 in this scenario, But I think moving a number 1 for any player is very skechy except for the positions I mentioned, but in our scenario it may have improved the team in more ways than one, for a good number of years.

 

[Idgit]

the roy trade isnt as bad as some think without a doubt. I hate giving up a 1 anytime except for a Left tackle, Quarterback or pass rusher. Other than those positions I think moving a 1 is very sketchy, but it might have been the right move.

From my perspective, I am just pulling for roy williams big time, I hope more people line up against him to motivate him to have a great season. Him and bennett seem like fun loving guys, you can see there personalities on the field during warmups and I think those kinds of guys are good for a locker room.

and most importantly, without that trade buffalo bill is still here and we probably ignore wr again in the draft or take one very high and then have him get mentored by the biggest psycho in the league.

So I will take williams for the 1 in this scenario, But I think moving a number 1 for any player is very skechy except for the positions I mentioned, but in our scenario it may have improved the team in more ways than one, for a good number of years.

You feel the same way about drafting a WR with a first round pick? That's what makes me feel better about the RW deal. We gambled that we were giving late round picks and sort-of lost, but the value we thought we were giving up was reasonable.

I don't like spending high picks on WRs anyway, when there are roster spots to develop them and good athletes who just need coaching available in the later rounds of every draft. No need to risk the high bust-rate.

 

[burmafrd]

To get a player of RW's measureables you would need to go for a top 10 pick. Ours was 21st. Even the other picks involved would NOT have gotten us that close. We actually UNDERPAID for a proven Pro Bowl WR vs a possible draft bust.

 

[dfense]

To get a player of RW's measureables you would need to go for a top 10 pick. Ours was 21st. Even the other picks involved would NOT have gotten us that close. We actually UNDERPAID for a proven Pro Bowl WR vs a possible draft bust.

In this day and age of "what have you done for me today" people tend to be impatient. All i know is, he looked good against Dallas when they played the Lions. And he did make the Pro Bowl in Detroit of all places. I'm confident after he actually knows the system he'll be a guy the Giants would probably like to have right about now.

 

[Idgit]

To get a player of RW's measureables you would need to go for a top 10 pick. Ours was 21st. Even the other picks involved would NOT have gotten us that close. We actually UNDERPAID for a proven Pro Bowl WR vs a possible draft bust.

I wouldn't go that far. His cap hit is huge, and we didn't get the benefit of him for most of his first contract. But RW is definitely a good player, and the price at the time wasn't as high as it's being characterized right now leading up to the draft.

 

[STAR GAZER]

It seems that too many people are ready to take a WR at the top of the draft. I don't understand the thinking. It's common knowledge that WR are risky and developmental projects. That is why I was so supportive of bringing in veterans in FA.

I've been saying all along that we need an OL candidate high in this draft so we get immediate help. And a few more later for future development and depth.

I just can't stand the idea of waisting our highest picks on a WR.

 

[arync]

If RW gives us 1000+yards and 8++ TDs, I'll be fine with him.

Those numbers would be treading water. Roy needs atleast 75 catches 1200 yards and 10 TD's to shut people up and stop the T.O. comparisons.

 

[Angus]

To get a player of RW's measureables you would need to go for a top 10 pick. Ours was 21st. Even the other picks involved would NOT have gotten us that close. We actually UNDERPAID for a proven Pro Bowl WR vs a possible draft bust.

Whereas Williams demonstrated that he was a 19 catch, 1 touchdown veteran actual bust last year. Those were his "measureables" that counted.

 

[Angus]

Those numbers would be treading water. Roy needs atleast 75 catches 1200 yards and 10 TD's to shut people up and stop the T.O. comparisons.

He has already demonstrated a willingness in Dallas to be a locker room mini-cancer. He'll have to straighten up and fly right, too.