PFF - OL Rankings

[America's Cowboy]

with Dak playing they are around 15-20

You are still talking? How many times do you need to hear yourself? Nobody gives you attention?

Dak is here to stay. Accept it or take your badly misinformed and misguided anger elsewhere. You're worse than a whining hyena.

 

[percyhoward]

1 at Car 18th .... 6 sacks, L
2 NYG 10th ....... 0 sacks, W
3 at Sea 16th .... 5 sacks, L
4 Det 1st ........... 3 sacks, W
5 at Hou 21st .... 2 sacks, L
6 Jax 25th ......... 3 sacks, W

Here are the sacks PFF attributes to Dak himself:

1 at Car 18th .... 2 sacks
2 NYG 10th ...... 0 sacks
3 at Sea 16th .... 2 sacks
4 Det 1st ........... 3 sacks
5 at Hou 21st .... 0 sacks
6 Jax 25th ......... 0 sacks

 

[Falco78]

Some are going to be conflicted since one thing from PFF said Dak was not bad and other thing states the OL is not bad. I guess Dak guys will have to pile on the receivers even more...

They have played better recently, but it took time for them to get it together. Part of the reason I hated all the preseason limiting of them

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-6

sounds about right

so where are the Dak distractors for saying the OL has been horrible......

 

[Sydla]

The Eagles at 2 is yet another joke of a ranking by PFF. All the talk in Philly is how their OL isn't the same and it's going to get their QB killed.

Yep.

Even the great Lane Johnson has come under criticism from the fans and media in his play this year. He recently got hurt but his play earlier in the year was questionable as well.

I don't know if there is bias at work here but frankly, it seems the Eagles are always ranked really high in many of their rankings - OL, pressure (I think they have the Eagles #1 in generating QB pressure which is another issue some in the Philly area has said hasn't been as good as they had hoped).

 

[Future]

if measured by sacks alone, we have the 4th worst OL in the 2018 NFL
keep in mind, the Boys throw far less than most teams, and if Dak were less mobile the numbers would be even worse

there's a lot that goes into it - but in Dak's career he has won 80% of games when sacked 3/- times ... he's at 75% so far this year

Dak's mobility leads to more sacks than it saves. He gets sacked a lot by either holding the ball too long or by trying to run to extend a play.

It's a myth, for most quarterbacks, that the ability to run means they take fewer sacks. There are only a handful (I'm having a hard time thinking of more than 3) who use their mobility to do that.

 

[jterrell]

Dak's mobility leads to more sacks than it saves. He gets sacked a lot by either holding the ball too long or by trying to run to extend a play.

It's a myth, for most quarterbacks, that the ability to run means they take fewer sacks. There are only a handful (I'm having a hard time thinking of more than 3) who use their mobility to do that.

Dak has actually taken very few sacks in his career.
25 in year 1.
32 in year 2.
19 already this year is the outlier.

A lot of factors merge to add up to sacks.
Play call, open receivers, blocking, QB read progression, QBs desire to hold ball for bigger play down the field.

A QBs' running ability is very, very far down that list and ultimately reduces sacks by turning would be sacks into short gains or no gains.

Yes. Watson is 1st but Josh Allen and Eli Manning are 2nd and 3rd in sacks allowed.
Cam Newton has allowed only 8.

 

[Future]

Dak has actually taken very few sacks in his career.
25 in year 1.
32 in year 2.
19 already this year is the outlier.

A lot of factors merge to add up to sacks.
Play call, open receivers, blocking, QB read progression, QBs desire to hold ball for bigger play down the field.

A QBs' running ability is very, very far down that list and ultimately reduces sacks by turning would be sacks into short gains or no gains.

Yes. Watson is 1st but Josh Allen and Eli Manning are 2nd and 3rd in sacks allowed.
Cam Newton has allowed only 8.

I'm not sure what your point is? The fact that Watson and Allen are 1 and 2 suggests that mobile quarterbacks take the most sacks. Mariota just took 11 and it certainly wasn't all on the OL.

The only way to consistently make your OL look better than it is, is to get the ball out quickly. Dak and other scramblers don't do that.

 

[jterrell]

All in all the overall rating of 11th is probably about right but should improve as season goes on.
Dallas is starting a rookie and back up OC. Tyron seems to start slow because they don't have him practice much in TC or pre-season.

The OL isn't a problem to fix but it can certainly play better going forward and be the team strength it was intended to be.

 

[G2]

Man that JAX ranking is puzzling. The OL’s film this week was off the charts good. Pass and run blocking.

Not really. Our QB had to put up 80+ yards, O line couldn't have been that great.

 

[DiResta]

rewatched the game and Connor got beat pretty badly at times but for the most part Dallas was able to overcome it (giving up pressure and letting Zeke get hit in the backfield)
he seems to lose when he lunges and guys just swim past. prob a lack of power he is compensating for, should get better though

this week will be tough for him vs Washington

 

[jterrell]

I'm not sure what your point is? The fact that Watson and Allen are 1 and 2 suggests that mobile quarterbacks take the most sacks. Mariota just took 11 and it certainly wasn't all on the OL.

The only way to consistently make your OL look better than it is, is to get the ball out quickly. Dak and other scramblers don't do that.

Watson and Allen are very young. Being athletic has zero to with them taking sacks.
Having DC's blitz and/or take away their first option is what causes most of it.

Getting the ball out is fine and good until it's 3rd down and you throw a 4 yard pass when you need 8.
Then you are an idiot.

Josh Allen isn't a running QB per se. He is a reasonably athletic guy that is scaring zero people with his legs.

Eli Manning is the definition of pocket passer and he is a veteran and he is 2nd.
Watson's best game of the year was versus us and he had his most rushing attempts with 10 and also took only 1 sack.
We had to spy him with Jaylon which reduced the pass rush by 1 person in many cases.
The next week Watson didn't rush after we beat him up and he had 2 attempts for 2 yards but allowed 7 sacks.

The one thing you have to give PFF is they do credit sacks to the QB if they hold it too long. It's far less critical of OLs than just sacks allowed.
HOU and BUF have poor OLs by any account.

 

[ClintDagger]

Not really. Our QB had to put up 80+ yards, O line couldn't have been that great.

You obviously didn’t watch the film. Many designed runs, many runs where the protection was great and he took off because he had so much open space. A QB’s running yards do not correlate to poor PP.

 

[G2]

You obviously didn’t watch the film. Many designed runs, many runs where the protection was great and he took off because he had so much open space. A QB’s running yards do not correlate to poor PP.

I've watched the games, do you have film room access?

 

[Number1]

Dak has actually taken very few sacks in his career.
25 in year 1.
32 in year 2.
19 already this year is the outlier..

an "outlier", you mean like the 22 in the 2nd half of 2017

he's been sacked 41x in the last 14 games

get him out of the pocket

 

[ClintDagger]

I've watched the games, do you have film room access?

All 22?

 

[G2]

All 22?

Excellent resource. So you didn't find any issues with the O line?