PFF Scores - Offense - Week 11-14

[Kwyn]

After the defensive grades several folks asked for offense. Same drill here.

No opinions from me, but I’m sure I’ll chime in.

These are PFF ratings (rounded) and the Zone formatting equivalent colors to match the grades on PFF

Remember - anything in the 60’s is average. You can’t get an entire roster of players in the green.

• Elite/High Quality (Green/Blue): 90+ (Elite), 80-89 (High Quality/Pro Bowl).
• Above Average (Yellow/Light Green):70-79 (Above Average/Starter).
• Average (Dark Yellow): 60-69 (Average/Backup).
• Below Average/Poor (Orange/Red/Darker Red): Below 60 (Below Average/Poor/Replaceable).

Quarterback	LV	PHI	KC	DET
Prescott	69	75	75	68

RUNNING BACK	LV	PHI	KC	DET
Williams	55	67	67	53
Luepke	67	58	63	56
Davis	61	DNP	70	52

TIGHT END	LV	PHI	KC	DET
Ferguson	60	63	62	63
Spann-Ford	75	80	51	42
Schoonmaker	58	47	58	66

RECEIVERS	LV	PHI	KC	DET
Lamb	71	55	79	84
Pickens	93	90	69	51
Fluornoy	65	54	67	82
Tolbert	58	DNP	54	DNP
Turpin	46	41	73	60
Mingo	DNP	59	DNP	44

O-LINE	LV	PHI	KC	DET
Guyton	76	62	DNP	DNP
Smith	65	81	56	72
Beebe	73	65	72	55
Booker	59	63	79	62
Steele	73	69	67	62
Thomas	DNP	68	54	30

 

[gtb1943]

nothing below 70 should be acceptable except now and then

IF YOU REALLY WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP

Steele is too high; and while Thomas was really bad at Detroit not sure he was THAT bad

 

[big dog cowboy]

O-LINE	LV	PHI	KC	DET
Guyton	76	62	DNP	DNP
Smith	65	81	56	72
Beebe	73	65	72	55
Booker	59	63	79	62
Steele	73	69	67	62
Thomas	DNP	68	54	30

Drop off from Guyton to Thomas was very obvious and shortened the passing game. Dak just didn't have the time most of the game.

 

[Batman1980]

nothing below 70 should be acceptable except now and then

IF YOU REALLY WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP

Steele is too high; and while Thomas was really bad at Detroit not sure he was THAT bad

PFF isn't always 100% correct, you can use your own judgment and other metrics.

 

[Kwyn]

Drop off from Guyton to Thomas was very obvious and shortened the passing game. Dak just didn't have the time most of the game.

I thought so too.

I think a lot of fans were frustrated with Guyton and adopted Smith, but he had a godawdul game.

 

[Kwyn]

PFF isn't always 100% correct, you can use your own judgment and other metrics.

I absolutley agree, but it’s the best we got that’s not too hard to find.

The eyeball test is, however, the worst possible grading system because it is subject to any number of biases. Some real and others that affect fans more than other populations

Here’s a brief list

• Recency
• Confirmation
• Hindsight
• Halo Effect
• Anchoring
• False Consensus
• Hopium
• Copium
• Drunkenness
• Didn’t watch the game

 

[Relayer]

The eyeball test is, however, the worst possible grading system because it is subject to any number of biases. Some real and others that affect fans more than other populations

PFF is pure eyeball test from the TV feed. They just grade immediately when the play ends. I'd be curious how many of the normal couch potato fans know whose responsibility it is when there's a blitz or stunt?

Average (Dark Yellow): 60-69 (Average/Backup)

And can someone help me out? Are they saying that a backup is an average NFL player?

 

[gtb1943]

I absolutley agree, but it’s the best we got that’s not too hard to find.

The eyeball test is, however, the worst possible grading system because it is subject to any number of biases. Some real and others that affect fans more than other populations

Here’s a brief list

• Recency
• Confirmation
• Hindsight
• Halo Effect
• Anchoring
• False Consensus
• Hopium
• Copium
• Drunkenness
• Didn’t watch the game

if you concentrate on one player you can get a good idea.

but slavishly bowing before PFF and others is just as bad

you need both; if you are really curious about a player just watch him.

Now that means not watching the game but if it is that important to you then yes the Mark 1 eyeball can do pretty well

 

[erod]

PFF is the biggest waste of time in the history of football.

 

[Captain-Crash]

If a small number of graders consistently apply their own personal biases, those errors will skew the overall dataset in a way that simply aggregating or averaging the numbers ("truncating") can't fully correct.

Subjectivity is Inherent: Any system that uses humans to interpret complex game context, intent, and execution will always contain an element of subjective opinion, which is a form of bias.
Bias Cannot Be Zero: Even with extensive quality controls and auditing, it is philosophically impossible to eliminate human bias.

 

[CowboyStar88]

This matches what I’ve been saying about Beebe. My personal opinion on the recent struggles with Williams and the run game is Beebe struggling. IMO this team was better running the ball when Hoffman was at C.

 

[Pass2Run]

PFF is pure eyeball test from the TV feed. They just grade immediately when the play ends. I'd be curious how many of the normal couch potato fans know whose responsibility it is when there's a blitz or stunt?

Average (Dark Yellow): 60-69 (Average/Backup)

And can someone help me out? Are they saying that a backup is an average NFL player?

That's right.

PFF is a scam, really.

 

[goshann]

nothing below 70 should be acceptable except now and then

IF YOU REALLY WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP

Steele is too high; and while Thomas was really bad at Detroit not sure he was THAT bad

Steele is a very good run blocker. Thomas was that bad.

 

[My3Sons]

It is a tool, but not always right.

I hope we can finally move on from Schoon and Tolbert in the offseason. JAGs

 

[Havic]

inconsistency perfectly explains the season record.

 

[buybuydandavis]

O-LINE	LV	PHI	KC	DET
Guyton	76	62	DNP	DNP
Smith	65	81	56	72
Beebe	73	65	72	55
Booker	59	63	79	62
Steele	73	69	67	62
Thomas	DNP	68	54	30

The oline play was dismal against DET.

 

[Kwyn]

The oline play was dismal against DET.

Thomas was perfectly horrible

 

[Redsfan_83]

Same concerns with our D in that rankings were solid vs 3 struggling teams at home. Go on the road vs a desperate Detroit team, we get smashed. 2 weeks in a row for Pickens, week 3 will be interesting to see if he rebounds

 

[buybuydandavis]

Thomas was perfectly horrible

Disappointed me.
He looked good in other games.
Got exposed.

Chaz Green II

 

[kramskoi]

nothing below 70 should be acceptable except now and then

IF YOU REALLY WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP

Steele is too high; and while Thomas was really bad at Detroit not sure he was THAT bad

No. He was THAT bad. 8 pressures...1 sack, 2 hits, 5 hurries. Steele wasn't much better. The two combined for 14 of the 22 pressures on the night.

Guyton is the man. Thomas is not. He might be able to supplant Steele eventually but he needs a LOT of work to play LT.