PFF Top 32 TEs

darthseinfeld said:
He was easily the best TE prospect in a generation. You have to go back to Vernon Davis for someone that was even close. He had good tape and athletic ability on par or better than most of the best WR's in the game. It's not really debatable whether or not he  was a generational talent. Saying he wasnt is revisionism. He just busted
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I don't know D.......maybe he was generational everywhere except between the ears. I tend to believe the Falcons wanted to see this reach the highest level, but for some reason, he has come close to being what was expected.
 
Hawkeye0202 said:
I don't know D.......maybe he was generational everywhere except between the ears. I tend to believe the Falcons wanted to see this reach the highest level, but for some reason, he has come close to being what was expected.
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Respectfully to those who felt it but, those evaluations were always trash.

I said it at the time, and it has simply proven out.
Pitts was a plus, plus athlete that wasn't great at any TE "things".
He wasn't a great route runner, wasn't a great blocker AT ALL, wasn't a great hands guy.
He was almost purely lusted over as a size/speed prospect that had never produced great receiving numbers.

And that's why most people miss in evaluation. --see Tyler Guyton

Pitts was 6'5"+ and 245 and ran a 4.44 which is insane but anyone with a brain knew he wasn't going to play NFL TE that skinny. --BUT THIS WAS AT A PRO DAY where speed numbers are often inflated.
And adding weight means losing at least some speed. Lose a bit and now are you really special anymore? NFL LBs run 4.5 too. 4.44 isn't blowing their doors off and getting you wide open. Especially if you aren't strong or crafty enough to knock them off you to get open.
There a reason savvy old men tend to dominate at TE.

The Falcons tried to make him the 2nd receiving option his rookie season and he had a good year, but they forced 110 receptions his way. For that they got 68 catches, 1k yards and 1 measly TD.

Since his rookie season it has gone poorly. He had averaged a mere 12.7 YPC in 3 years and badly wants out of ATL.

His insane wingspan hasn't translated to being a good red zone threat at all. In fact, he gets bullied a lot in the red zone.
He probably needs to get about 265 with added muscle to play a truer TE.
 
jterrell said:
Probably true but Ferguson has to handle being hit which is scary. Once concussion issues start it can end careers in a hurry. TE is a tough position to have that battle.
Schoonover was PFF's 29th best member of the Dalals offense last year which is LOL. 11 spots below Zeke Elliott.....
He was truly abysmal as a run blocker.
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Ferguson was the Cowboys best TE by far before his injuries. I haven't heard one of them was a concussion, though. Even if it was, it may not have been one that he just can't recover from.

It's a good bet that he'll be tried and tested this year to see if he's able to make a comeback. This is the first I've heard that his run blocking was abysmal. His strength was surely as a receiver, though.

We'll see how he fares this year. It's more than likely that he'll be given every chance to prove himself ready to continue his career. He had several injuries that curbed his performance last year. He'll either recover or he won't. I seriously doubt that he won't be given the opportunity to redeem himself.
 
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TwistedL0g1k said:
That's so funny. Folks here were so happy to see him leave, saying that we had somehow upgraded the position. For just a few dollars more, Dallas could have retained Schultz, and used the second round pick they wasted on Schoon for another position. A little money would have literally bought a second round pick.
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And maybe that RB everyone wants early on.
 
big dog cowboy said:
And they weren't going to reset the TE market on Schultz. And it wasn't "just a few dollars more" either.
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At all. Just a lot of non truths being spread. I have no doubt in my mind Ferg if healthy can produce as well or better then Schultz. I think some fans like to crap on the Cowboys to show how incompetent they are they have up on a good player. But Schultz isn’t the guy to prove that. He’s a jag.
 
big dog cowboy said:
And they weren't going to reset the TE market on Schultz. And it wasn't "just a few dollars more" either.
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You're right in the sense that Dallas would not pay Schultz his asking price. However the difference between what Dallas offered, and what Houston actually paid was not great. So yes- if Dallas had increased it's offer slightly, Schultz could have been retained. "For a few dollars more".

Houston is a smart franchise on the rise. Sadly Dallas is not.
 
TwistedL0g1k said:
You're right in the sense that Dallas would not pay Schultz his asking price. However the difference between what Dallas offered, and what Houston actually paid was not great. So yes- if Dallas had increased it's offer slightly, Schultz could have been retained. "For a few dollars more".

Houston is a smart franchise on the rise. Sadly Dallas is not.
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They just literally traded for Stefan Diggs for half a season just for him to walk lol….id hold off on the rise lol.
 
TwistedL0g1k said:
They were only after they let Schultz walk, yes.

Dallas would not have used that pick on a TE had they re-signed Schultz. You should have checked the context of the quote you responded to.
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They drafted Schoon with Ferg and Hendershot. The team wanted La Porta. They were always going tight end second round.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
They drafted Schoon with Ferg and Hendershot. The team wanted La Porta. They were always going tight end second round.
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Bull. If Dallas had kept Schultz, there was ZERO chance they were taking a TE in the second round. None.

After they let Schultz walk, Dallas did indeed have its mind made up to take a TE. Too bad really, because there was a run on them, so Dallas reached on Schoon. I don't hate the player BTW (Schoon), but I do hate the pick.
 
It’s comical that people think Pitts is a bust.

He put up 1,000+ yards as rookie.

Since 2022, he’s played with the likes of Mariota, Heinicke, Desmond Ridder, and Kirk Cousins on his last leg.

Folks, no receiver can throw themself the ball. CeeDee Lamb’s numbers suffered under Cooper Rush last season.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
It’s comical that people think Pitts is a bust.

He put up 1,000+ yards as rookie.

Since 2022, he’s played with the likes of Mariota, Heinicke, Desmond Ridder, and Kirk Cousins on his last leg.

Folks, no receiver can throw themself the ball. CeeDee Lamb’s numbers suffered under Cooper Rush last season.
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Lamb had 1k yards though….Nabers as a rookie had 1k yards with trash. In 2025, guys produce with bad qb play. I think his lack of production has had to do with the Falcons offense in itself. He’s not the generational guy they predicted and was premature to say so.
 
TwistedL0g1k said:
Bull. If Dallas had kept Schultz, there was ZERO chance they were taking a TE in the second round. None.

After they let Schultz walk, Dallas did indeed have its mind made up to take a TE. Too bad really, because there was a run on them, so Dallas reached on Schoon. I don't hate the player BTW (Schoon), but I do hate the pick.
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I believe if they kept Schultz they stil go tight end just like they drafted Martellus Bennett with Witten, Fasano with Witten and Escobar with a Witten….if Witten can’t stop you from drafting a tight end why would Schultz?
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Its why I never believe any of that crap. They talk about generational this....and that...you don't see generational coming so when people try and anoint that before a guy steps on the field? I'm always cautious.

That being said....i'd trade him for Ferg ASAP.
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I'm always suspicious as well. That's part of the reason I am cautious on Jeanty. He may very well turn out to be an exceptional NFL RB but he could also be just a good or average NFL RB. If he had done it in a premier conference, it would be much easier to expect.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
It’s comical that people think Pitts is a bust.

He put up 1,000+ yards as rookie.

Since 2022, he’s played with the likes of Mariota, Heinicke, Desmond Ridder, and Kirk Cousins on his last leg.

Folks, no receiver can throw themself the ball. CeeDee Lamb’s numbers suffered under Cooper Rush last season.
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Come on though. A GENERATIONAL talent should still put up good numbers. Heck, most lesser QB's rely on their TE's more than starters. For where he was drafted, he can't be viewed as anything but a bust.
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
Every team that’s drafted a TE top 20 has regretted it. Bowers is putting up some sensational stats, but does that change your perception of the Raiders one iota? No surprise it’s the same team that just went RB 6th overall
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Nothing can overcome bad QB play. (Ahem)

That said...whenever they actually get a QB, he'll come into a decent situation with a wonderful security blanket already in place.

I doubt the Raiders regret this pick.

Also... Bowers is as much a BIG Slot WR as he is a TE
 
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