PFT: 2005 First Round Littered with Busts (1-16)

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Posted by Mike Florio on May 5, 2008, 7:53 a.m.

When we handed out our 2008 NFL draft grades – each team got an incomplete — we mentioned that it makes more sense to go back and hand out grades from drafts three or four years ago. Several readers and commenters challenged us to rewind to 2004 or 2005 and do just that, but we were too lazy.

Still, the arrest on Sunday of the No. 4 overall pick in 2005 has prompted us to go back to the first round from that year and ponder the curious crop of busts that emerged in the first 32 picks. Let’s have a look:

1. Alex Smith, quarterback, 49ers: When the first overall pick is competing three years later with Shaun Hill and J.T. O’Sullivan for the starting job, that’s by definition a BUST.

2. Ronnie Brown, running back, Dolphins: After a so-so first year, Brown has been solid. A torn ACL derailed his opportunity to have a strong third year. Though he hasn’t lived up to the billing of the No. 2 overall pick, we’re not yet ready to call him a bust. (But we could be after 2008.)

3. Braylon Edwards, receiver, Browns: Edward is becoming one of the best receivers in the league. Clearly, not a bust.

4. Cedric Benson, running back, Bears: He’s been a disappointment on the field, and his arrest conjures memories of past incidents in college. Without question, he’s a BUST.

5. Cadillac Williams, running back, Buccaneers: Williams made a huge splash as a rookie, but can’t stay healthy. After rupturing a patellar tendon in 2007, he might not play again. If he does, he might never be the same. Based on his top-five selection, he’s a BUST.

6. Pacman Jones, cornerback, Titans: Do we even have to type the word?

7. Troy Williamson, receiver, Vikings: We once tried to throw Williamson a compliment, but he dropped that, too. BUST.

8. Antrel Rolle, cornerback, Miami: When a cornerback might be shifted to safety at only age 25, it’s not because he’s a great cornerback. BUST.

9. Carlos Rogers, cornerback, Commanders: He’s on the path to being declared a bust. We’ll give him one more year.

10. Mike Williams, receiver, Lions: Maybe he wouldn’t have been a BUST if the Lions had made him an offensive lineman.

11. DeMarcus Ware, linebacker, Cowboys: A 2006 Pro Bowl + a 2007 Pro Bowl = not a bust.

12. Shawne Merriman, linebacker, Chargers: He could still be a bust if he gets suspended again for steroids (or blown up on a regular basis by a pint-sized running back); for now, though, Merriman is clearly not a bust.

13. Jammal Brown, tackle, Saints: The Pro Bowler in 2006 slipped a bit last year, and the Saints were rumored to be shopping him. Still, he’s not a bust.

14. Thomas Davis, safety/linebacker, Panters: He’s not spectacular, but he started 16 games in 2007. Not a bust.

15. Derrick Johnson, linebacker, Chiefs: Johnson made a splash as a rookie and hasn’t taken it quite to the next level in two years since, but he’s not a bust.

16. Travis Johnson, defensive tackle, Texans: When the biggest hit of your career is one that you unknowingly put on a quarterback’s head with your knee, you might be a redneck. And a BUST.

We’ll do the back half of the round later. If we remember. For now, feel free to chime in on our thoughts regarding the first sixteen.
 

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He named 7 out of the top-10 as BUSTs, that's a pretty bad draft by any standards.

5 of the next 6 were NOT BUSTs and in fact are very good players for the most part.

Makes a good point for not trading up into the top-10, it just isn't worth it most of the time, especially not in this era (for anyone who was going to bring up Tony Dorsett).
 

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Wow! 8 out of 16 are bust and more still on the bubble. I sincerely hope Pacman sheds that title but his troubles are off the field.
 

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Good indicator why these big rookie contracts need to be addressed
 

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Still to early to say if Alex Smith is a bust or not.

Hes one of the youngest QB's in the league and came from a Urban Meyer offense.

Plus the 49ers aren't in much of a position to succeed with anyone at QB.
 

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plus alex smith has been hurt , hes coming into this season healthy
 

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CrazyCowboy;2071323 said:
Wow....so glad we got Ware!

Wow, and I was clamoring for Mike Williams to drop to us. Oh man!!!

That would have been painful.
 

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THUMPER;2071256 said:
He named 7 out of the top-10 as BUSTs, that's a pretty bad draft by any standards.

5 of the next 6 were NOT BUSTs and in fact are very good players for the most part.

Makes a good point for not trading up into the top-10, it just isn't worth it most of the time, especially not in this era (for anyone who was going to bring up Tony Dorsett).

That's why he should've just labeled it as the top 10 instead of top 16. I think it's a bit premature to label Pacman a bust since playing wise he's not been a bust. If he does get reinstated and plays wells for a few years, I wouldn't label him as a bust per say, just a bust for the Titans. :D







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DR.WARE;2071282 said:
plus alex smith has been hurt , hes coming into this season healthy


Injuries are part of the game. Alex Smith is injury prone. Which HELPS him being labeled as a bust.
 

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That first round was killer for linebackers. Ware, Merriman and Johnson. All in the top 16.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;2071531 said:
NFL rookie salaries should be structured much like NBA rookies in my opinion...

Agreed 100%, isn't Jake Long the highest paid lineman in the NFL?

I'm sorry but that makes me :lmao:and :bang2: at the same time. The kid hasn't played a down in the NFL and hes making more money than Joe Thomas, Walter Jones, Jonathen Ogden, Steve Hutchinson, Matt Light, I could go on and on and on.
 

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Hasnt Travis Johnson actually been pretty disruptive for the Texans, when healthy?

I dont know about this list...
 

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texbumthelife;2071620 said:
Hasnt Travis Johnson actually been pretty disruptive for the Texans, when healthy?

I dont know about this list...

If by disruptive you mean ending Trent Green's career on a dirty play? Then yeah, he's pretty disruptive.
 

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Dreadnought;2071622 said:
If by disruptive you mean ending Trent Green's career on a dirty play? Then yeah, he's pretty disruptive.
He didn't end his career. He stuck his noggin out there and got a knee to the head for his troubles. His bad. Johnson just looked like a jerk for standing over him after Green was knocked out.
 

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Mike Florio;2071250 said:
1. Alex Smith, quarterback, 49ers: When the first overall pick is competing three years later with Shaun Hill and J.T. O’Sullivan for the starting job, that’s by definition a BUST.

Alex Smith while he definately has not lived up to the billing of the #1 overall pick has not been terrible, he was actually looking half way decent back in 2006 for only his second year in the league. Calling him a BUST already given that he has been injured as well as how little talent he has had on the team, is a little rough.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
2. Ronnie Brown, running back, Dolphins: After a so-so first year, Brown has been solid. A torn ACL derailed his opportunity to have a strong third year. Though he hasn’t lived up to the billing of the No. 2 overall pick, we’re not yet ready to call him a bust. (But we could be after 2008.)

Wow, is he considering calling Ronnie Brown a bust? Dang, what does he want out of a RB playing on a TERRIBLE team with a TERRIBLE OL? No way Ronnie Brown can even begin to be considered a bust.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
3. Braylon Edwards, receiver, Browns: Edward is becoming one of the best receivers in the league. Clearly, not a bust.

Than goodness he isn't tring to call Braylon Edwards a bust. I was beginning to wonder what he is expecting out of the guys.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
4. Cedric Benson, running back, Bears: He’s been a disappointment on the field, and his arrest conjures memories of past incidents in college. Without question, he’s a BUST.

I am not a Cedric Benson fan, but to say he is without question a bust, is really going to the extreme. While he didn't do anything last year in Chicago, he wasn't able to finish the season and it isn't like with the OL Chicago had last year anyone could put up even decent numbers running the football. I would give Benson the label of not ready to call him a bust yet, but may consider starting next year.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
5. Cadillac Williams, running back, Buccaneers: Williams made a huge splash as a rookie, but can’t stay healthy. After rupturing a patellar tendon in 2007, he might not play again. If he does, he might never be the same. Based on his top-five selection, he’s a BUST.

Sorry, I don't buy that Cadillac Williams is a bust, he was actually putting together a pretty decent season last year until he got hurt. And his 2006 campaign shouldn't be considered simply because they had ZERO offense that year, noone could do anything with Bruce Gradkowski as the starting QB most of the year.....

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
6. Pacman Jones, cornerback, Titans: Do we even have to type the word?

Sorry, Pacman Jones is not a bust. He is a Pro Bowl caliber return man as well as CB. Just because he was suspended last year does NOT make him a bust.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
7. Troy Williamson, receiver, Vikings: We once tried to throw Williamson a compliment, but he dropped that, too. BUST.

OK, they finally have one right, Williamson is no doubt a bust.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
8. Antrel Rolle, cornerback, Miami: When a cornerback might be shifted to safety at only age 25, it’s not because he’s a great cornerback. BUST.

I would not qualify Antrel Rolle as a bust. Just because some Cowboy fans want to move Henry to FS, doesn't mean Henry is a bad CB. Maybe he didn't live up to being a top 10 pick caliber CB, doesn't mean he is a bust. He is at worst a decent CB, who could be a great safety.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
9. Carlos Rogers, cornerback, Commanders: He’s on the path to being declared a bust. We’ll give him one more year.

So he isn't ready to declare Carlos Rogers a bust. But he has no problem calling Antrel Rolle a bust? What is wrong with this line of thinking? That said, I do agree with his statment on Rogers. He is going down that path, but he isn't there yet.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
10. Mike Williams, receiver, Lions: Maybe he wouldn’t have been a BUST if the Lions had made him an offensive lineman.

Well, he is definately right about this one. There is no doubt about Mike Williams being a bust.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
11. DeMarcus Ware, linebacker, Cowboys: A 2006 Pro Bowl + a 2007 Pro Bowl = not a bust.

Yeah, I hope that Ware is not considered a bust. But do you have to go to two straight Pro Bowls not to be considered a bust for sure? Dang, this guy is a VERY tough grader.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
12. Shawne Merriman, linebacker, Chargers: He could still be a bust if he gets suspended again for steroids (or blown up on a regular basis by a pint-sized running back); for now, though, Merriman is clearly not a bust.

Sorry, Merriman is NOT a bust any way you slice it. Even when he isn't on steroids he is a very good LB. Definitely NOT a bust.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
13. Jammal Brown, tackle, Saints: The Pro Bowler in 2006 slipped a bit last year, and the Saints were rumored to be shopping him. Still, he’s not a bust.

The Saints were rumored to be shopping just about ANYONE that they could to get some defensive help. They need D help BAD. That does not make him a BUST though, just an OL, not a DL.


Mike Florio;2071250 said:
14. Thomas Davis, safety/linebacker, Panters: He’s not spectacular, but he started 16 games in 2007. Not a bust.

Thomas Davis is not and should not be a bust. But, is he saying that if he hadn't started all 16 games he would have been? Had he gotten hurt last year then he might have been a bust? Wow, it seems to me Florio labels everyone that doesn't become a Pro Bowl player a bust.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
15. Derrick Johnson, linebacker, Chiefs: Johnson made a splash as a rookie and hasn’t taken it quite to the next level in two years since, but he’s not a bust.

How is it that Antrel Rolle is a BUST. And Cardell Williams is a bust. And he is considering labeling Ronnie Brown as a bust. But Derrick Johnson, arguably the Chiefs 3rd best LB is not a bust? Something is wrong with his grades.

Mike Florio;2071250 said:
16. Travis Johnson, defensive tackle, Texans: When the biggest hit of your career is one that you unknowingly put on a quarterback’s head with your knee, you might be a redneck. And a BUST.

Not sure I would call Travis Johnson a bust. He may not have lived up to the #16 overall pick in the draft. But he is a solid run stuffing DT. Definitely not a bust.
 

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texbumthelife;2071620 said:
Hasnt Travis Johnson actually been pretty disruptive for the Texans, when healthy?

I dont know about this list...

I agree, I don't know about this list. By his grades, if you are not a Pro Bowl player, you are a bust. I do not agree with this list at all.....
 

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for the people saying pacman isn't a bust he was for the titans. he sucked his rookie year,showed some good things his second year and got suspended his 3rd year. if i'm a titan fan that's a bust.
 
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